Trumps gonna win.

[DallasMan]

A tare is a type of plant the technical name today is darnel (Lolium\ temulentum). God created this plant.

OK, and you did understand that in Jesus' teaching He's actually speaking about people right?

People that claim to be believers but are actually children of the devil?

he literally said the Jews deserved to be genocided because some Jews 2,000 years ago killed jesus.

verbatim the same argument Hitler used

Well I don't think they deserved to be slaughtered.

But, they did bring a world of hurt upon themselves by rejecting Jesus and that of course applies to non Jews as well.

But to your point, it is sad that so many claiming to be Christians have started hating the Jews after the Charlie Kirk thing seeing how some are claiming the Jews whacked Charlie Kirk.

Bunch of racist nut jobs!

 

[Dude653]

OK, and you did understand that in Jesus' teaching He's actually speaking about people right?

People that claim to be believers but are actually children of the devil?






Well I don't think they deserved to be slaughtered.

But, they did bring a world of hurt upon themselves by rejecting Jesus and that of course applies to non Jews as well.

But to your point, it is sad that so many claiming to be Christians have started hating the Jews after the Charlie Kirk thing seeing how some are claiming the Jews whacked Charlie Kirk.

Bunch of racist nut jobs!

just nonchalantly shrug off the genocide of 6 million people as righteous judgment is a new level of sociopathy.

 

[DallasMan]

just nonchalantly shrug off the genocide of 6 million people as righteous judgment is a new level of sociopathy.

Just wait, during the great tribulation a lot more than 6 million Jews will be killed.

The anti-christ is going to make what hitler did look like child's play.

The good news is more Jews than ever before are accepting Jesus as their Lord and Savior!

 

[Dude653]

Just wait, during the great tribulation a lot more than 6 million Jews will be killed.

The anti-christ is going to make what hitler did look like child's play.

The good news is more Jews than ever before are accepting Jesus as their Lord and Savior!

yeah that's all fine and good but I was referring to what Hitler Jr said about how the Jews deserve what happened to them.

 

[HeIsHere]

As you have done, it will be done unto you. The Jews crucified Jesus, a third of the Godhead and in return a third of the Jews were killed in the holocaust. Righteous judgement

The Jews living in Europe were not there when Jesus was crucified and therefore not culpable.

God does punish people for something they had nothing to do with, your eschatology leads you to strange places.

 

[Squigglylines]

@DallasMan
God never authorized satan and his demons to rebel and to do evil.

Only the masons and the satanists claim that lie.



That's the way I see it too. Revelation 13:4 tells us outright that the Dragon gave the Beast with the deadly wound his power not God. I see it as God himself pointing out to Christians that the Devil sets up an imposter kingdom without his authority and tricks those dwelling on the earth into believing it is of God and worshiping it and the Man of Sin that rises in it as God. They make the big boo boo thinking that one is of Gods will. They fall down and worship the Beast image believing it to be the Kingdom Jesus brings with him after he removes it and that Man of Sin to be the Messiah. That forgery of Gods Kingdom that looks like a Lamb but speaks like a Dragon. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation 13:4&version=KJV

 

[ZNP]

@DallasMan
God never authorized satan and his demons to rebel and to do evil.

Only the masons and the satanists claim that lie.



That's the way I see it too. Revelation 13:4 tells us outright that the Dragon gave the Beast with the deadly wound his power not God. I see it as God himself pointing out to Christians that the Devil sets up an imposter kingdom without his authority and tricks those dwelling on the earth into believing it is of God and worshiping it and the Man of Sin that rises in it as God. They make the big boo boo thinking that one is of Gods will. They fall down and worship the Beast image believing it to be the Kingdom Jesus brings with him after he removes it and that Man of Sin to be the Messiah. That forgery of Gods Kingdom that looks like a Lamb but speaks like a Dragon. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation 13:4&version=KJV

No one says that God has authorized Satan and his demons to rebel.

From God's point of view it has been six days since Satan caused man to fall. Satan is charged but not yet thrown into prison.

The problem is that man has legally ceded authority to Satan when they took the tree of the knowledge of good and evil to help them be wise and be like god. They signed a contract which is legally binding. God said that the term of the contract is 120 years which we understand to refer to 120 jubilees or 6,000 years or the six days of creation in Genesis.

The only way you can get out of that contract early is to be redeemed with the blood of Jesus, otherwise you are legally bound to that contract. If you won't receive Jesus' blood as your redemption then you are still legally bound.

 

[ZNP]

The Jews living in Europe were not there when Jesus was crucified and therefore not culpable.

God does punish people for something they had nothing to do with, your eschatology leads you to strange places.

I wasn't there when Adam and Eve ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and yet that caused me to be born into sin and for my spirit to be dead. Jesus is the second Adam and became a life giving Spirit. Jesus is the only name given under heaven whereby men may be saved and that includes the Jews.

 

[Dude653]

The Jews living in Europe were not there when Jesus was crucified and therefore not culpable.

God does punish people for something they had nothing to do with, your eschatology leads you to strange places.

verbatim the same argument Hitler used. but I already said that.

imagine hating Jews enough to think the Holocaust was justified

znp.. is truly sick in the head

 

[ZNP]

verbatim the same argument Hitler used. but I already said that.

imagine hating Jews enough to think the Holocaust was justified

Many people asked the religious leaders in Jerusalem if Jesus was the Messiah. Their official response was no, He was doing the miracles by Beelzebub, the prince of the demons. In response Jesus said they had committed the unforgivable sin, because they had rejected Jesus Christ as the Messiah and it is His blood which pays the price so that we can be forgiven of sin. The religious leaders responded to Jesus asking for a sign. He said they would get the sign of Jonah. Yes, that sign includes His death and resurrection, similar to Jonah being in the belly of the beast for three days. But it also included Jonah walking about the city for forty days telling them to repent or else the city would be destroyed. In their case God relented because the people in Nineveh humbled themselves and repented. But in Jerusalem's case Jesus said that because they said they could see and were wise, the sin remained. There was no humbling, there was no repentance. For forty years from the time Jesus told them they had committed the unforgivable sin Jesus and the disciples went through Israel and Jerusalem telling them to repent. Temple records tell us that beginning in 30 AD the atoning sacrifice was never accepted for the next forty years and then in 70 AD the city was destroyed.

The atoning sacrifice involves two goats. One is sacrificed for sin, the other is the scapegoat that becomes an outcast. The Jews were given 40 years to repent, they refused. From that point on they have been outcasts on the earth scattered to the four corners of the earth. God told them in the law of Moses that this is what He would do.

If you remember, when Jesus Christ, the Son of God was crucified He was our atoning sacrifice. At the same time they released a prisoner named Barabbas, meaning son of the father. Barabbas was the scapegoat.

In order for the Jews to be reconciled to God their needs to be an atoning sacrifice. That sacrifice was the Holocaust, meaning "burnt offering". Because they were atoned that is why they were able to return to the land of Israel in 1948.

BTW prophecies in the book of Ezekiel tell us the year that the Jews would be allowed to return. In order to calculate the year you need to know the law of Moses, but it precisely calculates to 1948 being the only year that both Judah and Israel would both be able to return together.

 

[ZNP]

Many people asked the religious leaders in Jerusalem if Jesus was the Messiah. Their official response was no, He was doing the miracles by Beelzebub, the prince of the demons. In response Jesus said they had committed the unforgivable sin, because they had rejected Jesus Christ as the Messiah and it is His blood which pays the price so that we can be forgiven of sin. The religious leaders responded to Jesus asking for a sign. He said they would get the sign of Jonah. Yes, that sign includes His death and resurrection, similar to Jonah being in the belly of the beast for three days. But it also included Jonah walking about the city for forty days telling them to repent or else the city would be destroyed. In their case God relented because the people in Nineveh humbled themselves and repented. But in Jerusalem's case Jesus said that because they said they could see and were wise, the sin remained. There was no humbling, there was no repentance. For forty years from the time Jesus told them they had committed the unforgivable sin Jesus and the disciples went through Israel and Jerusalem telling them to repent. Temple records tell us that beginning in 30 AD the atoning sacrifice was never accepted for the next forty years and then in 70 AD the city was destroyed.

The atoning sacrifice involves two goats. One is sacrificed for sin, the other is the scapegoat that becomes an outcast. The Jews were given 40 years to repent, they refused. From that point on they have been outcasts on the earth scattered to the four corners of the earth. God told them in the law of Moses that this is what He would do.

If you remember, when Jesus Christ, the Son of God was crucified He was our atoning sacrifice. At the same time they released a prisoner named Barabbas, meaning son of the father. Barabbas was the scapegoat.

In order for the Jews to be reconciled to God their needs to be an atoning sacrifice. That sacrifice was the Holocaust, meaning "burnt offering". Because they were atoned that is why they were able to return to the land of Israel in 1948.

BTW prophecies in the book of Ezekiel tell us the year that the Jews would be allowed to return. In order to calculate the year you need to know the law of Moses, but it precisely calculates to 1948 being the only year that both Judah and Israel would both be able to return together.

One more point, the atoning sacrifice in the Old Testament is not equivalent to Jesus' redeeming sacrifice on the cross. The Jews have been atoned for but have still not received Jesus Christ as their Messiah and redeemer.

Also, it wasn't just the Jews that crucified Jesus, the Romans did too in violation of their law. According to the book of Revelation many people will die in the seven year tribulation. What we saw with the Holocaust with the Jews will be repeated, first with Christians being martyred who refuse the mark of the beast and then with the nations who have rejected Jesus. The holocaust is a preview of what is coming. Jesus died on the cross for us, there is no reason anyone needs to go through this, but if you reject Jesus as your savior, your substitute, then it is your choice. Jesus' death on the cross was a substitutionary death.

 

[Dude653]

Many people asked the religious leaders in Jerusalem if Jesus was the Messiah. Their official response was no, He was doing the miracles by Beelzebub, the prince of the demons. In response Jesus said they had committed the unforgivable sin, because they had rejected Jesus Christ as the Messiah and it is His blood which pays the price so that we can be forgiven of sin. The religious leaders responded to Jesus asking for a sign. He said they would get the sign of Jonah. Yes, that sign includes His death and resurrection, similar to Jonah being in the belly of the beast for three days. But it also included Jonah walking about the city for forty days telling them to repent or else the city would be destroyed. In their case God relented because the people in Nineveh humbled themselves and repented. But in Jerusalem's case Jesus said that because they said they could see and were wise, the sin remained. There was no humbling, there was no repentance. For forty years from the time Jesus told them they had committed the unforgivable sin Jesus and the disciples went through Israel and Jerusalem telling them to repent. Temple records tell us that beginning in 30 AD the atoning sacrifice was never accepted for the next forty years and then in 70 AD the city was destroyed.

The atoning sacrifice involves two goats. One is sacrificed for sin, the other is the scapegoat that becomes an outcast. The Jews were given 40 years to repent, they refused. From that point on they have been outcasts on the earth scattered to the four corners of the earth. God told them in the law of Moses that this is what He would do.

If you remember, when Jesus Christ, the Son of God was crucified He was our atoning sacrifice. At the same time they released a prisoner named Barabbas, meaning son of the father. Barabbas was the scapegoat.

In order for the Jews to be reconciled to God their needs to be an atoning sacrifice. That sacrifice was the Holocaust, meaning "burnt offering". Because they were atoned that is why they were able to return to the land of Israel in 1948.

BTW prophecies in the book of Ezekiel tell us the year that the Jews would be allowed to return. In order to calculate the year you need to know the law of Moses, but it precisely calculates to 1948 being the only year that both Judah and Israel would both be able to return together.

there's something seriously wrong with you in the head. seek psychiatric help. do so expeditiously

 

[ZNP]

there's something seriously wrong with you in the head. seek psychiatric help. do so expeditiously

To quote you "Show us your mental health credentials or you are full of doo doo."

 

[Dude653]

To quote you "Show us your mental health credentials or you are full of doo doo."

you said the Jews deserved the holocaust. there is no coming back from that

 

[HeIsHere]

you said the Jews deserved the holocaust. there is no coming back from that

This idea of punishing people for something they did not do, is not in the scripture, nor is it from God, but is the fruit of false futurist eschatology.

 

[Dude653]

This idea of punishing people for something they did not do, is not in the scripture, nor is it from God, but is the fruit of false futurist eschatology.

znp is the king of Texas sharpshooter fallacies.
Shoot the barn with an arrow and then paint the bullseye around it.

"hey I have this idea in my head so now I'm going to find scriptures that could possibly vaguely line up with my preconceived conclusion on the topic"

but I never imagined he would go full on Nazi apologist.

 

[ZNP]

you said the Jews deserved the holocaust. there is no coming back from that

I never said that. Simply quote what I did say.

 

[Dude653]

I never said that. Simply quote what I did say.

you said the murder of six million innocent people was righteous judgment.
it's like you're literally channeling hitler.

maybe you should team up with Kanye

 

[ZNP]

Jesus said that the broad way leads to destruction. What does that destruction look like? The Holocaust is certainly one possible outcome for someone who chooses to walk the broad way and refuses to repent.

How many times did Jesus warn about hell and yet some apostate Christians simply deny the existence of hell.

Regardless of what anyone thinks of the holocaust, it was undeniably a horrific crime, and it wasn't until that crime was committed that the Jews got serious about returning to Israel. Some people had returned prior to the holocaust, but it was the holocaust that prompted the UN to vote for statehood for Israel.

 

[ZNP]

you said the murder of six million innocent people was righteous judgment.
it's like you're literally channeling hitler.

maybe you should team up with Kanye

I said that "as you have done it will be done unto you" is presented in the Bible as righteous judgment. I said that the nation of Israel crucified Jesus, that Jesus was one third of the Godhead, that as a result the Jews have been outcasts since 70 AD wandering the earth as the scapegoat in their ceremony for atonement. I also said that Ezekiel gives a prophecy that lets you calculate exactly how long they would have to wander for and that calculation results in 1948 being the only year that both Judah and the northern ten tribes of Israel could be both reconciled and return to Israel. I said that Jesus' death was a substitutionary death, He took our place on the cross. But if you reject Jesus then you are rejecting him taking your place and you will suffer a similar death. I said that the Holocaust is a preview of what the Great tribulation will be like, only the number of people killed will be in the billions, not millions. I also said that it was the Holocaust that caused many Jews to be serious about returning to Israel and it was the holocaust that caused the UN to vote to give Israel statehood. It was the crucial event in reconciling or atoning them to God. That is not forgiveness, it is not salvation, but it did open the door for them to return to the land of Israel.