Trumps gonna win.

[SonJudgment]

Well to get back to the Trump and the Winning got a little bit of a week recap of some of the major Trump stories, mindful there's quite a few plotlines playing out. Epstein Files data dump which basically vindicated our view of Trump and eposed a whole lot about the Deep State democrats. Another excellent meeting with Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince, a super positive boss tier meeting with Mamdani and glimpse of a potential future we can forge together. For bonus points MTG gets dumped to the streets where she belongs. The Apocalypse will come one day so indeed be vigilant, but don't forget to praise Jesus for the blessings and successes because he is giving us blessings that we can potentially build off of to weather the storm of the ever uncertain future, praise Jesus.

 

[DallasMan]

Who did bad things to Job? Yes, it was Satan, but he could not have done anything had not God allowed it.

God allowed it because Job started walking in fear

Revelation 21:8
But the FEARFUL, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Job said what he feared came upon him (Job 3:25) which is the key to understanding WHY the devil was allowed to attack Job, because Job being in fear broke the hedge of protection God had placed around Job!

You give Satan way too much credit.

No, I'm taking God at His Word

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

Ephesians 4:27
Neither give place to the devil.

God is the one who created Tares, and who allows Satan to do what he does.

So your claim is God is engaged in doing evil, working with satan and satan is working for God as the two of them go around stealing, killing, and destroying???

That's doctrines of demons right there!

 

[ZNP]

God allowed it because Job started walking in fear

Revelation 21:8
But the FEARFUL, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Job said what he feared came upon him (Job 3:25) which is the key to understanding WHY the devil was allowed to attack Job, because Job being in fear broke the hedge of protection God had placed around Job!





No, I'm taking God at His Word

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

Whom he may devour proves that he can only devour whom he is allowed to devour.

Ephesians 4:27
Neither give place to the devil.

IF we can stand strong and not give place to the devil then why are you blaming God. He has given us everything we need to withstand the devil and if we don't, then that is a result of us not following the Lord.

So your claim is God is engaged in doing evil, working with satan and satan is working for God as the two of them go around stealing, killing, and destroying???

That's doctrines of demons right there!

No that is not my claim.

My claim is that God is the ruler of all. Satan is simply a created being. He is only allowed to act if it is legal. People have a free will. God has given us everything we need to follow him, resist the devil and grow in grace. If people choose to take the broad way that leads to destruction, that is evidence that we have free will.

If you don't have free will then you can't have sin because you were not free to make a different choice. The very fact that there is evil is proof that God has given you free will.

 

[DallasMan]

Whom he may devour proves that he can only devour whom he is allowed to devour.

So you're claiming it's God fault then anytime someone is over taken by sin or otherwise turns away from the Lord.

That came out of the false teachings of calvinism which is doctrines of devils.

IF we can stand strong and not give place to the devil then why are you blaming God.

I never said it was God's fault, that's your department having been influenced by the false teachings of calvinism which is doctrines of devils whether you realize it or not.

He is only allowed to act if it is legal.

That's funny. Lots of evil in the world and you claim God is allowing him to do all that evil.

You should read the Book of Genesis and carefully note that God gave dominion to man kind, and then man bowed his knee to the devil which is what the Lord tells us thru the Apostle Paul that the devil is the god of this world

We see in the Book of Hebrews that Jesus has not assumed full control over this world yet:

Hebrews 2:8 - Thou hast put all things in subjection under His feet. for in that
He put all in subjection under Him, He left nothing that is not put
under Him. But now we see not yet all things put under Him

And, we also see that the devil is called the god of this world which
will not change until Jesus returns to start His 1000 year reign and
throws the devil and his demons in to hell.

2 Corinthians 4:4 - In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which
believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who
is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Jesus even called the devil the prince of this world:

John 14:30 - Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

 

[ZNP]

So you're claiming it's God fault then anytime someone is over taken by sin or otherwise turns away from the Lord.

That came out of the false teachings of calvinism which is doctrines of devils.





I never said it was God's fault, that's your department having been influenced by the false teachings of calvinism which is doctrines of devils whether you realize it or not.





That's funny. Lots of evil in the world and you claim God is allowing him to do all that evil.

You should read the Book of Genesis and carefully note that God gave dominion to man kind, and then man bowed his knee to the devil which is what the Lord tells us thru the Apostle Paul that the devil is the god of this world

We see in the Book of Hebrews that Jesus has not assumed full control over this world yet:

Hebrews 2:8 - Thou hast put all things in subjection under His feet. for in that
He put all in subjection under Him, He left nothing that is not put
under Him. But now we see not yet all things put under Him

And, we also see that the devil is called the god of this world which
will not change until Jesus returns to start His 1000 year reign and
throws the devil and his demons in to hell.

2 Corinthians 4:4 - In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which
believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who
is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Jesus even called the devil the prince of this world:

John 14:30 - Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

None of this says that Satan creates anything. God is the creator. All things have come into being through the word of God.

None of this says that Satan is the judge, God is the judge. A prince is not a king, and only Jesus is the King of kings. Satan is a prince, which means he is under the king. Only Jesus Christ is Lord, He is the one who has inherited all things. All things are of the Lord, through the Lord and for the Lord. God works all things for good to those that love God and are called according to purpose.

Satan cannot do anything unless God allows it.

If man sows to the flesh Satan can legally approach God and ask that the man who sowed to the flesh reap from the flesh and God allowing it is righteous judgment. This does not mean God was doing evil or working with Satan. God is the judge and Satan is the prosecuting attorney.

 

[DallasMan]

None of this says that satan creates anything.

Nobody said anything about satan creating anything.

Satan cannot do anything unless God allows it.

Back to claiming God is the problem again I see.

No, mankind is the problem because mankind keep giving place to the devil which is how the devil has authority.

Sowing to the flesh leads to corruption which is an open door for the devil to do evil.

Satan can legally approach God

That's false doctrine in the New Covenant. Ya gotta accept the entire counsel of God to avoid deception.

The Blood of Jesus cleansed the part of Heaven
where satan could go before God and accuse
men as spoke of in the Book of Job

Hebrews 9:23,24
It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

 

[ZNP]

Nobody said anything about satan creating anything.

So then we both agree that it was God that created Tares. Satan, the enemy, sows the tares while you sleep, but he didn't create them.

Back to claiming God is the problem again I see.

No, mankind is the problem because mankind keep giving place to the devil which is how the devil has authority.

Sowing to the flesh leads to corruption which is an open door for the devil to do evil.

God is not the problem, He is the solution. If I am training you to fight the devil then we need to spar against someone who can simulate the devil. Every sports team does this.

 

[ZNP]

That's false doctrine in the New Covenant. Ya gotta accept the entire counsel of God to avoid deception.

The Blood of Jesus cleansed the part of Heaven
where satan could go before God and accuse
men as spoke of in the Book of Job

Hebrews 9:23,24
It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

You are saying that the accuser of the brethren cannot approach God at the moment? Are you saying he has already been cast out of heaven? Who exactly is the accuser of the brethren accusing us to?

If I accuse you in a court of law, who is the judge if it isn't God? The Holy Spirit is our Paraclete, our defense attorney. So if Satan is not the prosecuting attorney who is?

I am not interested in changing your opinion, I doubt I will, but I feel your understanding of the Bible is seriously flawed.

When the manchild in Revelation 12 is caught up to heaven then Satan and the fallen angels get cast out of heaven. That is the point of the rapture, when the saints are raptured there is no longer room for Satan.

The church age is a time of purifying silver. Satan is used to attract all the impurities together to make it easier to remove them. Ultimately all the impurities, including Satan, are considered slag and thrown away into the lake of fire.

At the moment the whole world lies in the evil one and He is the prince of the power of the air. The Bible is crystal clear on this, all authority comes from God. Satan would not have this position of power if God did not allow it. After the rapture He won't allow it.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

I'm a child of the Most High God, so of course I'm OK.

I'm more than OK, I'm doing GREAT!

I didn't see any video, and I'm not concerned one way or the other.

Jesus is my Lord and Savior not any politician.

If you didn't even watch the video,why did you respond to my post.

 

[DallasMan]

So then we both agree that it was God that created Tares.

No, God did not make those who reject Him - to reject Him.

You error in thinking satan created them, he did not.

What he did was what Jesus taught in Mark 4:13-20

Read that and you'll see what the Lord says causes someone to not bear fruit and turn away from Him.

It's these people's fault for allowing the devil's lies to enter in and choke God's Word out of them.

This is what happened to Adam and Eve as they accepted satan's alternative way at looking at things and in doing so they forsook and turned away from the instructions the Lord had given them.

If I am training you to fight the devil then we need to spar against someone who can simulate the devil.

I'm already trained in fighting the devil and have no need for your "assistance" seeing it is in fact faulty when compared to what God's Word teaches. Thanks for the offer though.

You are saying that the accuser of the brethren cannot approach God at the moment?

Since Jesus rose from the dead havinf defeated the devil making a show of him openly and after taking His Blood to the mercy seat before the Father - er, NO the devil cannot get in to the third Heaven where God's throne is anymore as he once could back in the old testament.

The only reason the devil could go before God back then was based on the dominion God had given to man that man turned around and gave to the devil. Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection put an end to that.

Now, they dominion is back under the control of man - the Man Jesus Christ, the risen Lord of Glory

Who exactly is the accuser of the brethren accusing us to?

Oh he's still accusing, just not in the third Heaven where God's throne is.

He accusing from afar and is not doing so in God's face as we see in the Book of Job.

But hey, if you want to believe the Blood of the Lamb is not that powerful, be my guest. That doesn't end well.

If I accuse you in a court of law, who is the judge if it isn't God?

Get real man, in a court of law a man is sitting on the bend, not God the Father.

He is in Heaven, not down here on earth in a courtroom

I feel your understanding of the Bible is seriously flawed.

Well it's a good thing I go by what God says in His Word rather then what you feel.

When the manchild in Revelation 12 is caught up to heaven then Satan and the fallen angels get cast out of heaven.

That would be being cast out of the second heaven which is where all the principalities and powers are located at now, there and in the first heaven which is the atmosphere around planet earth

The war in Heaven that is coming is not where the Father is with Jesus seated at His Right Hand.

Those claiming it is are claiming Jesus did not defeat the devil at His death, burial, and resurrection claiming He has no authority to keep satan out.

satan is used to attract all the impurities together to make it easier to remove them

Hilarious (not in a good way) that you think satan works for the Lord.

 

[DallasMan]

If you didn't even watch the video,why did you respond to my post.

Just wanted to decline the offer

Thanks anyway

 

[Dude653]

As you have done, it will be done unto you. The Jews crucified Jesus, a third of the Godhead and in return a third of the Jews were killed in the holocaust. Righteous judgement

I knew you were unhinged but you've gone full on Nazi now.

as a matter of fact I'm reporting you to the mods for being a Nazi apologist

 

[DallasMan]

I knew you were unhinged but you've gone full on Nazi now.

as a matter of fact I'm reporting you to the mods for being a Nazi apologist

No, he's not a nazi.

His point is bad things happened to the Jews as a result of their rejecting Jesus as their Lord and Savior.

This is true for non Jews as well and is true for Christians who turn away from the Lord to go back to their sin.

I'm reporting you to the mods for claiming someone is a nazi who actually isn't.

 

[ZNP]

No, God did not make those who reject Him - to reject Him.

You error in thinking satan created them, he did not.

Don't put words in my mouth, That is a technique of a liar. I have never said anything even slightly resembling what you wrote here. This discussion is a complete waste of my time. It has nothing to do with this thread. Go to the Bible discussion thread and create a new topic and if anyone is interested they will engage you there.

 

[ZNP]

I knew you were unhinged but you've gone full on Nazi now.

as a matter of fact I'm reporting you to the mods for being a Nazi apologist

What are you taking issue with?

1. Are you saying the Jews did not crucify Jesus?

2. Are you saying that Jesus is not a third of the Godhead?

3. Are you saying that a third of the Jews did not die in the Holocaust?

4. Are you saying that Jesus did not say "as you have done it will be done to you"?

If you are reporting me by all means tell me which of these four points you are taking issue with.

 

[DallasMan]

Don't put words in my mouth, That is a technique of a liar.

You just said "it was God that created Tares"

If you are claiming you did not say that then it is you that is being a liar.

After re-reading my post, I should have said "You error in thinking God created them, he did not" speaking of the tares

So that was a typo on my part.

This discussion is a complete waste of my time.

Well then why do you keep replying?

 

[ZNP]

You just said "it was God that created Tares"

If you are claiming you did not say that then it is you that is being a liar.

After re-reading my post, I should have said "You error in thinking God created them, he did not" speaking of the tares

So that was a typo on my part.




Well then why do you keep replying?

This discussion is a complete waste of time.

You agreed with me that Satan did not create anything, that God is the creator. The Bible says all things came into being through the word of God. Tares therefore came into being through the word of God. Yes, God created Tares. But Tares are not evil and they are not sin. It is the act of going onto a wheat field that does not belong to you at night and sowing tares to cause trouble to the owner of the wheat field that is sin. The word Satan means enemy. Jesus said "an enemy has done this". That act is the sin, not the Tares. For all we know they have valuable medicinal use.

This is why I avoid these kinds of discussions on the internet because it is ridiculous, we would have to be in a zoom meeting for two hours talking and clarifying if we were to hope to get anywhere, and that would only be if I trusted this was the motive.

 

[DallasMan]

Yes, God created Tares.

No, God created people to be predestined to be conformed to the Image of Jesus (Romans 8:29,30)

God is not responsible for people rejecting Him and becoming tares. That's something the calvinists claim.

Are you one of them calvinists or something?

But Tares are not evil

OK so now you have completely lost your marbles!

According to Jesus tares are not the children of God and as such they are children of the devil meaning that reject the Lord and walk with the devil. They are in fact evil.

these kinds of discussions on the internet because it is ridiculous

Yeah if the whole counsel of the Lord is not taken in to consideration then yes it becomes ridiculous.

Anywho, hope the Lord opens the eyes of your understanding and FAST!

 

[ZNP]

No, God created people to be predestined to be conformed to the Image of Jesus (Romans 8:29,30)

God is not responsible for people rejecting Him and becoming tares. That's something the calvinists claim.

Are you one of them calvinists or something?





OK so now you have completely lost your marbles!

According to Jesus tares are not the children of God and as such they are children of the devil meaning that reject the Lord and walk with the devil. They are in fact evil.





Yeah if the whole counsel of the Lord is not taken in to consideration then yes it becomes ridiculous.

Anywho, hope the Lord opens the eyes of your understanding and FAST!

A tare is a type of plant the technical name today is darnel (Lolium\ temulentum). God created this plant. It has seeds and when it grows is looks like wheat until the seeds come out.

This discussion is a waste of time and has no business on this thread. Move this to a new thread in the Bible discussion thread.

 

[Dude653]

No, he's not a nazi.

His point is bad things happened to the Jews as a result of their rejecting Jesus as their Lord and Savior.

This is true for non Jews as well and is true for Christians who turn away from the Lord to go back to their sin.

I'm reporting you to the mods for claiming someone is a nazi who actually isn't.

he literally said the Jews deserved to be genocided because some Jews 2,000 years ago killed jesus.

verbatim the same argument Hitler used