Why don't you just leave if it's always just so bleak and a chronic stress for you?
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Why don't you just leave if it's always just so bleak and a chronic stress for you?
Again, you have not answered any of my questions. Are you saying that the only acceptable answer to the Holocaust by GoDaddy is that they were killed because they existed?
The only reasonable way this can be resolved is for you to tell us the Biblically acceptable way to understand the Holocaust. Stop with the "there are many interpretations" weasel answer. If there are many interpretations then why are you castigating me for my interpretation. Surely you must know what the right interpretation is from the Bible, so give it to us. This is a Christian chat, everyone would like to know the correct Biblical understanding of why a third of the Jews on earth were killed in the Holocaust? Then the moderators can easily decide what to do because they will have the "correct" answer in front of them.
Yes, they did!! Martin Luther called for it! German Christians believed the myth that the Jews were Christ killers and Hitler used that to the hilt!! Absolutely they not only supported it, they took part in it. The Nazi's even used Martin Luther's sermons as an excuse for what they did!!
Ok but why did you say this below, it didn't make sense to me.
"Why did this maniac hate them so much? If they are not guilty of anything, what caused him to hate them?"
Not sure where that number comes from but it isn't slander. Then as now, you have misguided or plain Antisemitic Christians, if they can be called that, who sided with Hitler. It's a fact of history.
Why did He allow 9/11, the Titanic to sink, Pearl Harbor....
Do you believe the "Christ Killers" argument?!
I am not saying there were not Christians who had hate speech towards the Jews. Nor am I saying that there aren't many people who have twisted the Bible to say what they want it to say. During slavery in the US they taught the slaves that this was Biblical. What they didn't teach is that there were rules about slavery in the Bible. In order to be a slave it was to pay off a debt and only adults could agree to becoming a slave in order to pay off that debt. It was illegal to have slave traders or to have children as slaves.
What I am saying is look at the hypocrisy. For two or three days we have had to listen to Dude jump up and down about how horrible the antisemitism is on this forum only to learn that his answer is pure hatred of Christians.
After all, were Christians the ones who were committing the genocide of the Jews? So now Hitler and the Nazis and the Gestapo were Christians?
Because the whole world lies in the evil one. The Jews have a covenant with promises that they will be kept safe from Hitler, and Satan. Psalm 91 and Deuteronomy 28 are two very clear examples of the promises in this covenant. But that is if they abide in the Lord. Once they leave the land of Israel they leave the protection of God.
The reason that they were hated by Hitler is because he is an antichrist figure one with Satan. We should not be naive, Satan hates the people of God. We have a promise that no harm will befall us, but that is conditional on us abiding under the Lord's wings.
Yes!! That is my point. Now there was Bonhoffer and others who went against the tide. But Germany was a Christian nation at the time. That has been asked again and again "how could a Christian nation not just allow but take part in the Holocaust. " That is why the Replacement Theology heresy is so dangerous. Some of the early church fathers were a part of it, like Luther and it led all the way to the Holocaust.
Well I think you would agree with me that Jesus Christ is the savior of the world, kind of like a life preserver tossed to someone drowning in the sea. I think you would also agree that God gave His son to the world, including to the Jews, so that anyone who would believe on Him would be saved. So in this analogy God threw the Jews a life preserver. Many Jews took it, Peter, John, Paul, Matthew, James, etc. But some Jews were there in the sea, drowning and they rejected the life preserver. In this analogy they refers to the religious leaders who said Jesus was not the Messiah but was casting out demons by the prince of the demons and committed the unforgivable sin. The act of rejecting the life preserver became permanent at the crucifixion.
Now if you are in the sea drowning, God throws you a life preserver, you reject it and then drown, whose fault is that?
Answer my question and I'll answer yours.
Hitler and his leaders were all in the occult. I don't care what they called themselves, Hitler calling himself a Christian is the same thing as Satan disguised as an angel of light.
I have already agreed with that repeatedly. Jesus was also an innocent victim of the crucifixion.
This is the logical conclusion of Dude blaming Christians for the holocaust. If Christians were to blame then he is equating Hitler and the Nazis and the Gestapo to Christians.
But let's apply that to the US. The US is a Christian nation. Do you think there are atrocities committed by the CIA and other US government entities as well as multinational corporations headquartered in the US? How can you, an American who calls himself a Christian, allow this?
Answer that question and I'll answer your question about Germany.
Literally? He never literally said that.
You're fixated on playing the virtue signaling game.
You're seeing what isn't there,just to keep attention on your "righteous indignation".
Which has no actual merit.
Because their remarks about the Jews was based on Scripture that you don't actually know. You can't make the link because you don't study the Bible.
Which is likely why the the Moderators don't act. They know the context of his remarks. They also know,you don't.
Now you're repeating yourself with this childish rant that serves only to show you don't know scripture. Or,you'd know you never had a point.
Now you're making the OP point.
You're Trolling.
Romans 11 says that the Jews have been blinded until the number of Gentiles come in. The Catholics were the first to make the Jews wear something to show they were Jews and the first to put them in ghettos. Some of the early church fathers, Luther one of the worst, were Antisemitic. The Jews have suffered because of this, they have been lied about, their rights stripped from them, murdered, pushed out of countries all in the name of Christianity. I think there is good reason why Jews don't trust Christians and cannot see their Messiah. I do not believe the Holocaust was a result of anything the Jews did, unbelief included. As I said, I believe God used that to bring the Jews back to Israel but I don't believe it was the reason for the Holocaust.
I don't believe in coincidences. I believe Jesus is Lord. That means nothing happens on earth that the Lord does not know about and does not allow.
He is a righteous judge, if he allows something then there must be a valid legal reason. For example, why does a Christian die from AIDS? There are promises that no evil plague or pestilence will come near us in Psalm 91. But that is conditional on us abiding under the Lord's wings.
Now it may be that the person did not abide under the Lord's wings, that is one possible answer.
There is another possible answer as well, they could have contracted it prior to becoming a Christian and although they have been washed in the blood, they are still reaping what they sowed.
A third possible answer is that this is like the thorn in Paul's side.
A fourth possible answer is that this is like the Lord's word, no one sinned, rather the purpose is so that the works of God can be done. The death could motivate someone to find the cure.
So you agree God wanted the Jews to return to Israel for the previous 22 years, and that He ultimately used the Holocaust to bring them back.
So why didn't the Jews in Germany go to Israel before the holocaust? I mean if God is speaking to them to come home, why didn't they go? If God warns you for 22 years it is time to leave Germany, and you don't leave, and then instead you wind up in the holocaust, whose fault is that?
1. Misapplication of the "Covenant Curses" (Deuteronomy 28)
· The Claim's Basis: Proponents might point to passages like Deuteronomy 28, where blessings for obedience and curses for disobedience to the Mosaic Covenant are listed. The curses include exile, persecution, and suffering among the nations (e.g., Deuteronomy 28:64-67).
· The Theological Rebuttal: In Christian theology (and Jewish theology), these covenantal warnings are understood within a specific framework:
· National and Corporate, Not Individual or Universal: The curses are directed at the nation of Israel in the context of the Land. They were seen as fulfilled in historical events like the Babylonian Exile (586 BCE) and the Roman destruction of Jerusalem (70 CE).
· Not a Blanket Justification for All Suffering: They do not provide a carte blanche to attribute any suffering of Jewish people throughout history to divine punishment. To do so is to engage in dangerous and arrogant speculation about God's judgment.
· Ends with the Exile: Traditional Christian supersessionist theology often held that the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE was the final covenantal punishment, after which the "Old Covenant" was superseded. Even by this problematic logic, the Holocaust would be entirely disconnected.
make what link? I didn't make any claims. I'm refuting claims that have not been proven.
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