Trolling

[ZNP]

let's just bottom line it
I know for a fact this forum is monetized and makes money
cloudfare reserves the right to pull the plug on this entire forum if it happens to escalate to that point.

especially when there's a clear and established pattern of anti-semiticate speech on this forum

you would think that would get their attention

How about Antichrist speech and Anti God speech, shouldn't that get the attention of a Christian chat?

Answer the question

Since money is involved, apparently the only thing that matters, tell us what GoDaddy's official view is.

1. Give us the correct, GoDaddy approved view of the holocaust. Make sure you address whether or not the broad way that leads to destruction would include the Holocaust on the way. Also make sure you include whether or not the Great White Throne judgement by God in which some people are sent to hell is righteous judgment.

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Luke 10:15 And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted to heaven, shalt be thrust down to hell.

2Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

 

[ZNP]

Yes I agree with that but never saw it as referring to the Holocaust.

If they only came out of the heathen lands without any pogroms or holocaust saying they were coming out of their graves would be a stretch. But pictures of the Jews leaving the concentration camps after they were rescued is a very clear photograph that looks like dry bones rising up out of the grave to return to Israel.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Fair enough, why did they die?

They died because a maniac hated a race of people enough to try to genocide them and but for the grace of God he would have. Antisemitism from Martin Luther on down made a way for Jew hatred to lead to the Holocaust.

 

[Dude653]

Ok but the Jews who died during the Holocaust were innocent people. They didn't die because they were Christ killers.

exactly this.. literally they're only crime was existing in an environment where people were both religiously and politically propagandaized to hate them

assigning collective guilt to an entire race of people for something they didn't do encourages violence and anti-semitism.

this is unacceptable.

hate speech is hate speech, I don't care how someone tries to put a spin on it.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

If they only came out of the heathen lands without any pogroms or holocaust saying they were coming out of their graves would be a stretch. But pictures of the Jews leaving the concentration camps after they were rescued is a very clear photograph that looks like dry bones rising up out of the grave to return to Israel.

Interesting take, I've just never heard it before. Never heard it preached before.

 

[ZNP]

also I hope this one stays up this time as I can see there at least a couple people who agree with me that the anti-Semitism on this forum is getting out of hand...

I agree with the hope that this one stays up because everyone on this forum needs to see that you refuse to answer the question. You answered it once saying the holocaust was God's fault. You have never publicly corrected that as far as I know. You did tell me privately that what you said was a joke, you know, an idle word that we will all have to give account of at the judgment seat. I have offered you repeated opportunities to give account now so that you won't have to give account at the judgment seat.

I have also pointed out that saying the holocaust is God's fault, ascribing sin to God, is blasphemy. You have been outraged at that and yet continue to refuse to answer the question.

You have judged others for their view on the holocaust and yet you refuse to tell us what the correct view is.

Your reputation is of an insulting, injurious, person who mocks and ridicules Christians and their beliefs. I could easily pull up at least 20 posts of yours that is insulting and mocking to me. You have gotten out of hand and now you have gone over the line. It is one thing to mock and insult me, but to blaspheme against God, that is a line everyone should fear crossing.

 

[ZNP]

They died because a maniac hated a race of people enough to try to genocide them and but for the grace of God he would have. Antisemitism from Martin Luther on down made a way for Jew hatred to lead to the Holocaust.

Why did this maniac hate them so much? If they are not guilty of anything, what caused him to hate them?

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Why did this maniac hate them so much? If they are not guilty of anything, what caused him to hate them?

Racists don't need a reason. He simply hated the Jews.

 

[ZNP]

Racists don't need a reason. He simply hated the Jews.

There are two reasons that historians give.

1. The Jews were pushed into Ghettos long before Hitler came around by the various kings to keep them poor and in control. As a result they created Capitalism and banking because it was the only way they could thrive under this racist policy. As a result of that the Jews thrived while the common people languished under the dictatorial rule of the tyrant kings. The Jews exposed how corrupt and incompetent the rulers were, feeding their hatred which others ascribed to "illogical racism". Wasn't illogical, a thief doesn't like to be exposed. This is why all the rulers around Israel today hate them. They were in total poverty, a basket case when they moved to Israel in 1948 but today they are far and away the most prosperous nation in the Middle East. The other nations had vast amounts of oil, Egypt got huge financial support from the US, and yet Israel has put them all to shame.

or

2. Karl Marx was a Jew and they hated communism. This is a flimsy argument in general, but makes sense for Hitler. He came to power over a false flag event blaming the communists for burning the Reichstag building. His Nazi, Germany nationalist party, was in direct opposition to the communists. He used the Jews as scapegoats, trying to say that they were communists snuck into Germany to bring it down. He called the Holocaust the final solution because by robbing all the Jews he was able to fund his war machine.

Now according to the Bible all the nations of the Earth are under the authority of the Prince of the Air, which is Satan. The whole world lies in the evil one. Therefore it would be a legitimate complaint for Satan to go to God and say "your people are ruining my kingdom, according to your covenant with them they are supposed to be in Israel and ever since 1917 they can return". All of that is true and you can see how God, as a righteous judge, would give Israel 22 years to comply but ultimately would allow Hitler to carry out the holocaust only after exhausting numerous warnings to the Jews to leave Europe.

 

[SonJudgment]

I agree with the hope that this one stays up because everyone on this forum needs to see that you refuse to answer the question. You answered it once saying the holocaust was God's fault. You have never publicly corrected that as far as I know. You did tell me privately that what you said was a joke, you know, an idle word that we will all have to give account of at the judgment seat. I have offered you repeated opportunities to give account now so that you won't have to give account at the judgment seat.

I have also pointed out that saying the holocaust is God's fault, ascribing sin to God, is blasphemy. You have been outraged at that and yet continue to refuse to answer the question.

You have judged others for their view on the holocaust and yet you refuse to tell us what the correct view is.

Your reputation is of an insulting, injurious, person who mocks and ridicules Christians and their beliefs. I could easily pull up at least 20 posts of yours that is insulting and mocking to me. You have gotten out of hand and now you have gone over the line. It is one thing to mock and insult me, but to blaspheme against God, that is a line everyone should fear crossing.

I would argue it's not even about blasphemy, but you are right essentially that is the implication. It's more about Dude is a bad-faith-actor. He doesn't really care about hate speech or religion in general or even the Holocaust frankly, he's just here in bad faith always. it doesn't really matter what the topic is. That's why what Dude, and the other bad-faith-actors, always do is first isolates people words, usually even mid-sentence, he takes it way out of context, then he fills in the gaps that he himself made with BS that he himself interjects that nobody was even talking about even contextually, and then he is offended by his own crap that he himself interjected and then crybuly Karens to shut down topics and ban people using it as leverage. Seriously how many people I wonder has Dude done this to over the years? I think to myself so like about 2 years ago now when I first got on here there was 20 active people on a good day, whole bunch of the former posts say this or that person banned. We have come a far way the site now has closer to 50-70 active people on a good day, so clearly the mods are doing something right in the past two years whereas before they were doing something wrong, the results don't lie. Like how many people has Dude and the other bad-faith-actors who aren't even really Christians or really even care about Christianity getting banned from this site? Why should they be allowed to ruin Christian's spaces where we're all getting along just fine even if we debate and disagree? Why shouldn't they just leave, why should they be allowed to ruin everything for everyone else?

 

[ZNP]

I would argue it's not even about blasphemy, but you are right essentially that is the implication. It's more about Dude is a bad-faith-actor. He doesn't really care about hate speech or religion in general or even the Holocaust frankly, he's just here in bad faith always. it doesn't really matter what the topic is. That's why what Dude, and the other bad-faith-actors, always do is first isolates people words, usually even mid-sentence, he takes it way out of context, then he fills in the gaps that he himself made with BS that he himself interjects that nobody was even talking about even contextually, and then he is offended by his own crap that he himself interjected and then crybuly Karens to shut down topics and ban people using it as leverage. Seriously how many people I wonder has Dude done this to over the years? I think to myself so like about 2 years ago now when I first got on here there was 20 active people on a good day, whole bunch of the former posts say this or that person banned. We have come a far way the site now has closer to 50-70 active people on a good day, so clearly the mods are doing something right in the past two years whereas before they were doing something wrong, the results don't lie. Like how many people has Dude and the other bad-faith-actors who aren't even really Christians or really even care about Christianity getting banned from this site? Why should they be allowed to ruin Christian's spaces where we're all getting along just fine even if we debate and disagree? Why shouldn't they just leave, why should they be allowed to ruin everything for everyone else?

Good point, he got that one person to leave the forum just a month or two ago because of this behavior.

 

[Dude653]

Racists don't need a reason. He simply hated the Jews.

Racists don't need a reason. He simply hated the Jews.

the Holocaust was largely a culmination of about 2,000 years of blood libel and accusations of deicide from the Catholic church.

Hitler didn't hesitate to capitalize on this too gain support for genociding the jews.

and then there were socioeconomic factors, blaming the Jews for all of Germany's problems.

the stereotype about Jews being greedy.

what it all comes down to is that under christianity, you're not supposed to charge interest on a loan.
Judaism has no such restriction so they were able to amass more wealth

still waiting for someone to show me a scripture that says you killed the Jews now I'm sending Hitler to kill you.

thing is a lot of people disagree on the interpretations of scriptures and everyone thinks they have divine revelation.


bottom line is hate speech is hate speech and it's unacceptable

 

[SonJudgment]

Good point, he got that one person to leave the forum just a month or two ago because of this behavior.

It's not even about oh they leave the forum or oh we gotta ban people for GoDaddy (or a miscontrued understanding of GoDaddy's TOS). Heck in a grander way that's how you get the Holocaust, the road to Hell being paved with good intentions and all. It's more about good-faith vs bad-faith approach, or in essence, trolling. You were having a good-faith argument originally, albeit a bit of a digression from the main titled topic, but it was a good-faith argument that then Dude interjects himself into in a bad-faith way. This resulted in a popular topic getting locked, we all were even just going to sit with that and move on, but Dude is so toxic and bad-faith even that isn't good enough for him and now we're here.

 

[Dude653]

It's not even about oh they leave the forum or oh we gotta ban people for GoDaddy (or a miscontrued understanding of GoDaddy's TOS). Heck in a grander way that's how you get the Holocaust, the road to Hell being paved with good intentions and all. It's more about good-faith vs bad-faith approach, or in essence, trolling. You were having a good-faith argument originally, albeit a bit of a digression from the main titled topic, but it was a good-faith argument that then Dude interjects himself into in a bad-faith way. This resulted in a popular topic getting locked, we all were even just going to sit with that and move on, but Dude is so toxic and bad-faith even that isn't good enough for him and now we're here.

someone saying the Jews deserved the Holocaust might have something to do with it


it's not my fault someone derailed the topic of the thread from Donald Trump to the Jews deserved the holocaust.

 

[HeIsHere]

someone saying the Jews deserved the Holocaust might have something to do with it


it's not my fault someone derailed the topic of the thread from Donald Trump to the Jews deserved the holocaust.

He never said that.

 

[HeIsHere]

It's not even about oh they leave the forum or oh we gotta ban people for GoDaddy (or a miscontrued understanding of GoDaddy's TOS). Heck in a grander way that's how you get the Holocaust, the road to Hell being paved with good intentions and all. It's more about good-faith vs bad-faith approach, or in essence, trolling. You were having a good-faith argument originally, albeit a bit of a digression from the main titled topic, but it was a good-faith argument that then Dude interjects himself into in a bad-faith way. This resulted in a popular topic getting locked, we all were even just going to sit with that and move on, but Dude is so toxic and bad-faith even that isn't good enough for him and now we're here.

Oh and a few others who "pretend" but are at heart toxic as well.

 

[Dude653]

He never said that.

yes he did. he said you killed jesus, the same will be done to you. this is righteous judgment

 

[SonJudgment]

someone saying the Jews deserved the Holocaust might have something to do with it

You're the one that said that, that's what you interjected into it, that's not the context to which they were originally talking. You kick up dust and then complain that the other person is dirty. It's a bad-faith approach.

 

[HeIsHere]

yes he did. he said you killed jesus, the same will be done to you. this is righteous judgment

Righteous judgement is not about "deserving."

 

[Dude653]

You're the one that said that, that's what you interjected into it, that's not the context to which they were originally talking. You kick up dust and then complain that the other person is dirty. It's a bad-faith approach.

again. I have the receipt.

"you killed jesus, the same will be done to you, this is righteous judgment

translation, the murder of 6 million people was good and virtuous.

he tried to walk it back after a couple of us called him out on it and he was like I'm sorry but sounded like I said the Jews deserved the holocaust, now let me double down on my original argument and show you why I think the Jews deserved the Holocausts