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In the prophet, Zephaniah we are taught that on His Day, God will return a pure tongue to all so they allmay be able to call upon Him with One Name. Until this fulfillment we are content to call Him by any or all of His titles.
Well Sir, My spin on the Godhead is Jesus the Son of God is called the Everlasting Father in the Book of Isaiah, the brightness of the Fathers Glory in Hebrews 1 . The one in whom it pleased the Father that in Him should all fullness dwell. ( Colossians) For all the fullness of the Godhead dwells in Him bodily . Jesus Christ is the Creator His name is above every name that is named. Now the Holy Spirit is called the Spirit of God the Spirit of the Father The Spirit of Christ . What I have noticed if you try to separate the Godhead into three persons you get into error. You don't get one without the other . It's a package deal . I think we limit God
. How could he be controlling the universe while walking the dusty roads as God in the flesh. Hey , "We will understand it better by and by".
That would be the Oneness doctrine of the United Pentecostal Church, also called Modalism.
John 1:18
No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.
John 5:37
And the Father who sent Me, He has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen His form.
John 6:46
Not that anyone has seen the Father, except the One who is from God; He has seen the Father.
John 14:7
If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him.
Many believers say that Jesus is God. In fact, they misunderstand it. Jesus is the human as us, but the difference is that Jesus was born from the Holy Spirit. The spirit of God really lives in him, and Jesus is united with the spirit of God. This can be seen from Peter's seeing that Jesus walked on the sea. Jesus said that Peter could do the same. Peter did take two steps on the sea, But at the end Peter fell into the sea because of his little faith. Should we also say that Peter can walk on the sea that Is Peter God?
Some people say that only God is innocent. If Jesus is not God, he can not take the place of people to commit our sins. Jesus once expressed this to Pharisee. Can't God forgive sins? So Jesus was indeed innocent, and he took our Transgressions for us.
Jesus is the image of the invisible God
When we see Jesus, we see God， But this does not mean that Jesus is the God,
But the son and the father are united as one, just as we are united as one with Jesus, but we are not Jesus.
You must say that the word was God,and the word became flesh.
God created all things through the son even the Bible. Bible is God's plan. The Bible does not say that the world was created by the son, but came from God, and the son also came from God, but before all things.
God's spirit/father lives in the son and the son lives in the father, Jesus is human,so Jesus' name is God willing to live with human,Another implication of this sentence is that we will live with God in the kingdom of heaven in the future.
What the son does is not based on the will of the son. It means that what the son does is the will of the father. Their will are one. Therefore, the Bible says Jesus is the image of the invisible God.
Some people say that only God is innocent. If Jesus is not God, he can not take the place of people to commit our sins. Jesus once expressed this to Pharisee. Can't God forgive sins? So Jesus was indeed innocent, and he took our Transgressions for us.
Jesus is the image of the invisible God
When we see Jesus, we see God， But this does not mean that Jesus is the God,
But the son and the father are united as one, just as we are united as one with Jesus, but we are not Jesus.
You must say that the word was God,and the word became flesh.
God created all things through the son even the Bible. Bible is God's plan. The Bible does not say that the world was created by the son, but came from God, and the son also came from God, but before all things.
God's spirit/father lives in the son and the son lives in the father, Jesus is human,so Jesus' name is God willing to live with human,Another implication of this sentence is that we will live with God in the kingdom of heaven in the future.
What the son does is not based on the will of the son. It means that what the son does is the will of the father. Their will are one. Therefore, the Bible says Jesus is the image of the invisible God.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word WAS GOD.
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Father, Son and Holy Ghost are titles, they are not names.
The apostles consistently obeyed Jesus' command recorded in Matthew 29:18 by baptizing in a name. That name is Jesus. Every detailed water baptism account, without exception, indicates the apostles used the Name of the Lord Jesus in obedience to Jesus' command.
Acts 2:38-39 (Jewish)
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
Acts 8:12-17 (Samaritans)
But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
Acts 10:43-48 (Gentiles)
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Acts 19:2-6 (Disciples who were baptized by John the Baptist did not realize they had to water baptized in Jesus name. After being told they were re-baptized in water and afterward received the Holy Ghost.
He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Acts 22:14-16 (Paul's water baptism)
And he (Ananias) said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
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Father, Son and Holy Ghost are titles, they are not names.
The apostles consistently obeyed Jesus' command recorded in Matthew 29:18 by baptizing in a name. That name is Jesus. Every detailed water baptism account, without exception, indicates the apostles used the Name of the Lord Jesus in obedience to Jesus' command.
Acts 2:38-39 (Jewish)
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
Acts 8:12-17 (Samaritans)
But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
Acts 10:43-48 (Gentiles)
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Acts 19:2-6 (Disciples who were baptized by John the Baptist did not realize they had to water baptized in Jesus name. After being told they were re-baptized in water and afterward received the Holy Ghost.
He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Acts 22:14-16 (Paul's water baptism)
And he (Ananias) said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
And you would be correct in your guess.
To be more clear, it means that the Father is God, Jesus is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and that there is only one God.
If you're referring to the inclusion of the "Father, Son and Holy Ghost" piece rather than the command to evangelise, I see no reason to jump to the conclusion that these are the same, simply from anything in THAT verse.
Hi Wansvic:
Disagree. The Father and Son are Two Persons, and the Holy Spirit is the Third.
In Jn 8:17-18, the Lord Jesus says: 17 In your own Law it is written that the testimony of two witnesses is true. 18 I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father, who sent me.”
Did you see what He just said? He said He is One Person who testifies, and the Father is another Person who confirms the testimony. They are two witnesses which means they are Two Persons who give witness/testimony to the Lord's Mission.
Also, go back to Genesis 18:1-3: "18 Then the Lord appeared to him by the terebinth trees of Mamre, as he was sitting in the tent door in the heat of the day. 2 So he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, three men were standing by him; and when he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them, and bowed himself to the ground, 3 and said, “My Lord, if I have now found favor in Your sight, do not pass on by Your servant."
Abraham sees Three Men and he addresses Them as One Lord. Who are these Three Persons? A Theophany/Manifestation of the Triune or Tri-Personal God. Again in Genesis, in many other places, God uses the "Our" or "Us" speaking of His Son and His Spirit, i.e. the Second and Third Persons in His Holy Trinity.
One of the prayers in the Eastern Orthodox Church is based on this passage: "Of old as you appeared clearly to Abraham, triple in person and single by the nature of the Godhead, you revealed in figure the pure doctrine of the Godhead, and faithfully we sing your praise, Almighty God". God is One and Triune.
God Bless.
Disagree. The Father and Son are Two Persons, and the Holy Spirit is the Third.
In Jn 8:17-18, the Lord Jesus says: 17 In your own Law it is written that the testimony of two witnesses is true. 18 I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father, who sent me.”
Did you see what He just said? He said He is One Person who testifies, and the Father is another Person who confirms the testimony. They are two witnesses which means they are Two Persons who give witness/testimony to the Lord's Mission.
Also, go back to Genesis 18:1-3: "18 Then the Lord appeared to him by the terebinth trees of Mamre, as he was sitting in the tent door in the heat of the day. 2 So he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, three men were standing by him; and when he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them, and bowed himself to the ground, 3 and said, “My Lord, if I have now found favor in Your sight, do not pass on by Your servant."
Abraham sees Three Men and he addresses Them as One Lord. Who are these Three Persons? A Theophany/Manifestation of the Triune or Tri-Personal God. Again in Genesis, in many other places, God uses the "Our" or "Us" speaking of His Son and His Spirit, i.e. the Second and Third Persons in His Holy Trinity.
One of the prayers in the Eastern Orthodox Church is based on this passage: "Of old as you appeared clearly to Abraham, triple in person and single by the nature of the Godhead, you revealed in figure the pure doctrine of the Godhead, and faithfully we sing your praise, Almighty God". God is One and Triune.
God Bless.
Even 'though it's mysterious (at least to me), I tend to think these kinds of texts point to the idea that Jesus is God. But I need to consider it in light of other biblical things.
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I have been listening to a lot of Charles H. Spurgeon and he claims a lot of people get themselves tripped up on the Trinity.
BTW - I've said it a few times before, but I want to make it understood that, although I try to direct things to the right place and person, things sometimes go astray. Sorry about this. It may well be as frustrating for others as it is for me.
Thanks for responding.
"Anyone needing the title of a denomination...". Does that mean the Baptists, Catholics, Pentecostals, etc. are 'up the creek'?
Thanks , I've come across Isaiah 9:6 before and in isolation it does seem to refer to Jesus. Again, in Colossians, depending on translation, it seems to say Jesus is part of the Godhead