trinity is controversial?

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posthuman

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This puzzles me. As a Jew who comes from a lineage of Rabbi's now Evangelist/Preachers who interweaves with Jewish districts from the West Coast to East Coast USA to Israel, I don't know any Jew who believes this. What I have discovered from the minds of the Leaders who take the time to look at the New Testament is one common theme. They will use Colossians, Yeshua's words, and Book of Hebrews and they point out

3 who, being the effulgence of his glory and the exact image of his substance
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who is the image of the invisible God
John 14 "Another Comforter - Jesus being a Comforter Himself" - the Comforter will confirm the words and works of Jesus


So many believe, if...to them that is IF...Yeshua is God/came as Son of God/Holy Spirit is God...etc....

They believe that ALL [Father/Son (WORD)/Holy Spirit] being the same Substance means more than just being the Same God but Just the One God acting in 3 Roles. I don't know any Jew who thinks there's 3 Persons, just 3 ways God works. They even say for the WORD to be made flesh means He's Spirit before becoming flesh (same Substance).
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This is what I have concluded from listening to them.


But you claim there are. I would love to meet these Jews who think that. I think it's more like some preachers on Trinity Broadcast like TD Jakes, Rod Parsley, Others who claim Trinity but preach Jesus could only be with so many people at one time. But as the Holy Spirit He can be His true Omnipresent Self and is in everyone and everywhere at once. And they preach Jesus said You see Me you see the Father. You see the Father you see Me.

That is what I think they actually believe.

When I ask the meaning of Elohim?
They say ONE God.
In English Language it's plural but they say it's always been used to describe Yehova as ONE in Hebrew.
this puzzles me as well,

because when i look at the Hebrew scripture, clearly The Angel of The LORD is regarded as God, and The Spirit of The LORD is also - and there is only one God. this is 100% trinitarian

maybe you should be as upset with your rabbis as you are with the reformation, ha - - i imagine that just as we Christians historically distanced ourselves from Judaism, to a fault, Jews also distanced themselves from theology that Christianity brought to light...?
 

FollowerofShiloh

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this puzzles me as well,

because when i look at the Hebrew scripture, clearly The Angel of The LORD is regarded as God, and The Spirit of The LORD is also - and there is only one God. this is 100% trinitarian

maybe you should be as upset with your rabbis as you are with the reformation, ha - - i imagine that just as we Christians historically distanced ourselves from Judaism, to a fault, Jews also distanced themselves from theology that Christianity brought to light...?
That's cause you look at it from a doctrinal viewpoint. And I am not denying God is triune. Just stating how I know people apply their beliefs into what they read.
 

montana123

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It's mainly an issue for two reasons: 1) The word "trinity" itself isn't found in scripture; 2) The idea of the "trinity" seems to have originated with Catholicism, so it's automatically suspect. I'm no fan of Catholicism but I have no problem with the trinity. Jesus Himself spoke of it in Matthew 28:19, "Go, therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,"
Isa 52:5 Now therefore, what have I here, saith the LORD, that my people is taken away for nought? they that rule over them make them to howl, saith the LORD; and my name continually every day is blasphemed.
Isa 52:6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.

Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

God said He would reveal a new name to the Jews, and speak to them.

Since Jesus said the words that the words He speaks are not His own, but the Father that dwells in Him does the works, then it is the Father that is revealing His new name to them.

Which Jesus said He came in His Father's name which is Jesus.

Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

The Son inherited the name Jesus from the Father.

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

The Holy Spirit comes in the name of Jesus.

Jesus is the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Jews were baptized in the name of Jesus.

Act 8:14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
Act 8:15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
Act 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Act 8:17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

Samaritans were baptized in the name of Jesus.

Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

The Gentiles were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

The disciples interpreted baptism in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost to be the name Jesus.

Col 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

Everything we do in word, and in deed, we do all in the name of Jesus, so why would be baptize Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are not names, but titles, and the word is name, singular.

How are they names.

I do not sign my name father, or son, or person, but I sign my name.

I should know because I signed a check to cash it by putting father and they would not take it, and I said what, I thought father was a name, lol.