The Trinity, implied by the word itself, is three Persons in ONE God. How many of those triple gods were three AND one? The reason I ask is that the one God of the Bible is three Persons, a Mystery that cannot be discovered through logic and reasoning. Therefore, that Tri-une God of the Gospel of John had to have revealed himself to the biblical writer, because no one could have dreamed or thought him up.
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God is most assuredly triune in Nature.
But Peter twice says the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Lord.
It doesn't matter to me because the modern day definition does not match the Nicene Creed and the Nicene Creed does not match the earliest (John's Disciples) Church Fathers. We just know the Divinity within Christ is Father-WORD-Holy Spirit.
But Peter twice says the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Lord.
It doesn't matter to me because the modern day definition does not match the Nicene Creed and the Nicene Creed does not match the earliest (John's Disciples) Church Fathers. We just know the Divinity within Christ is Father-WORD-Holy Spirit.
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people often confuse 'catholicism' with the theology of the original church.
there were several centers of the church from the beginning, Antioch, Jerusalem, Alexandria, Rome, etc. no one disagreed with the Trinity, only there were discussions about carefully defining it.
it was not until many hundreds of years later, after the capital of the Roman empire moved to Constantinople, that the Roman bishopric became apostate and full of crap theology. But the Trinity far predates that.
a lack of knowledge of church history is severely detrimental to understanding of these things. in early writings the word "catholic" is used but it means simply "universal" - - that is, the church writ large, that all believers are members of and which beliefs all hold. this is absolutely not synonymous with the modern RCC or even the RCC of the 10th century.
you should not reject things only on the basis that 2,000 years ago they were called 'catholic' doctrine.
there were several centers of the church from the beginning, Antioch, Jerusalem, Alexandria, Rome, etc. no one disagreed with the Trinity, only there were discussions about carefully defining it.
it was not until many hundreds of years later, after the capital of the Roman empire moved to Constantinople, that the Roman bishopric became apostate and full of crap theology. But the Trinity far predates that.
a lack of knowledge of church history is severely detrimental to understanding of these things. in early writings the word "catholic" is used but it means simply "universal" - - that is, the church writ large, that all believers are members of and which beliefs all hold. this is absolutely not synonymous with the modern RCC or even the RCC of the 10th century.
you should not reject things only on the basis that 2,000 years ago they were called 'catholic' doctrine.
Didachē (viz. “The Teachings of the Twelve Apostles”; c. A.D. 70):
After the foregoing instructions, baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living [running] water. . . . If you have neither, pour water three times on the head, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit (7.1).
Do you read this and see any rejection of the divinity of Christ?
Do you think this is polytheism?
Not understanding why you would think the early church wasn't trinitarian. It was not "invented" at Nicea, it was "cemented" - - which was the whole point of the council. Constantine wanted the church to firmly reject heresy, for the sake of peace in his empire. he himself imposed no doctrine but just organized it, and the trinity was not a matter of debate at all - - everyone accepted it.
that is, every Christian believed it until oneness pentacostalism in the 1800's came along and revived the ancient modalism heresy.
Just so you know I believe that Jesus is like Paul claimed, Our Great God.
13 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ
I am just pointing what Peter said in Acts to Ananias and his wife.
3 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit
4 You have not lied to man but to God
9 But Peter said to her, “How is it that you have agreed together (Ananias/the Wife) to test the Spirit of the Lord?
13 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ
I am just pointing what Peter said in Acts to Ananias and his wife.
3 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit
4 You have not lied to man but to God
9 But Peter said to her, “How is it that you have agreed together (Ananias/the Wife) to test the Spirit of the Lord?
There is one Physician who is possessed both of flesh and spirit; both made and not made [agennētos]; God existing in flesh; true life in death; both of Mary and of God; first possible and then impossible, even Jesus Christ our Lord (Polycarp, Letter to the Ephesians, 7).
Polycarp obviously sees Christ as being divine yet individual from God the Father - - a wholly trinitarian view 100% incompatible with modalist oneness heresy.