Transgender pain

Greyfray · Sep 28, 2023

Hello!!

I will try to answer as best I can with the time I currently have.

I strongly belief that the scripture referring to eunuchs which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake is referring to those who willingly abstain from marriage and sexual relations so they can go about God's business. The other two kinds of Eunuchs I believe are referring to Eunuchs in this way:

"eunuch (n.)

"castrated man," late 14c., eunuk, from Latin eunuchus, from Greek eunoukhos "castrated man," originally "guard of the bedchamber or harem," from euno-, combining form of eune "bed," a word of unknown origin, + -okhos, from stem of ekhein "to have, hold" (from PIE root *segh- "to hold").

Harem attendants in Oriental courts and under the Roman emperors were charged with important affairs of state. The Greek and Latin forms of the word were used in the sense "castrated man" in the Bible but also to translate Hebrew saris, which sometimes meant merely "palace official," in Septuagint and Vulgate, probably without an intended comment on the qualities of bureaucrats. Related: Eunuchal; eunuchry; eunuchize."

---https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=eunuch

In 1 Corinthians chapter 7, Paul talks about virgins, singles, and married people. In singleness, we focus on how we can please God.
This is the kind of Eunuch I believe is being referrenced to as those who have done so for the kingdom of God.[/QUOTE]

Then why would God include a disclosure that all men might not receive the message?

Greyfray · Sep 28, 2023

Greyfray said:

Hello!!

I will try to answer as best I can with the time I currently have.

I strongly belief that the scripture referring to eunuchs which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake is referring to those who willingly abstain from marriage and sexual relations so they can go about God's business. The other two kinds of Eunuchs I believe are referring to Eunuchs in this way:

"eunuch (n.)

"castrated man," late 14c., eunuk, from Latin eunuchus, from Greek eunoukhos "castrated man," originally "guard of the bedchamber or harem," from euno-, combining form of eune "bed," a word of unknown origin, + -okhos, from stem of ekhein "to have, hold" (from PIE root *segh- "to hold").

Harem attendants in Oriental courts and under the Roman emperors were charged with important affairs of state. The Greek and Latin forms of the word were used in the sense "castrated man" in the Bible but also to translate Hebrew saris, which sometimes meant merely "palace official," in Septuagint and Vulgate, probably without an intended comment on the qualities of bureaucrats. Related: Eunuchal; eunuchry; eunuchize."

---https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=eunuch

In 1 Corinthians chapter 7, Paul talks about virgins, singles, and married people. In singleness, we focus on how we can please God.
This is the kind of Eunuch I believe is being referrenced to as those who have done so for the kingdom of God.

Then why would God include a disclosure that all men might not receive the message?[/QUOTE]
And why would Jesus take time out to talk to such a minority as the rate of physical castration is not the same rate in modern times

Roughsoul1991 · Sep 28, 2023

Greyfray said:

You may trick others but it will not eliminate the discontentment within you. Detransitioners are not rare you can find many groups on social media.

Which science? The science paid for by the corporations who make money off of the drugs and surgeries?

Here is one testimony that has gone quite public https://nypost.com/2023/07/27/detra...-childhood-was-ruined-by-gender-reassignment/

Unfortunately Big Pharma and the LGBT activists who make money off her pain do not want you to see or hear her.

Roughsoul1991 · Sep 28, 2023

Roughsoul1991 said:

The other voices of science:

https://www.heritage.org/gender/com...dont-help-mental-health-largest-dataset-shows

Greyfray · Sep 28, 2023

Roughsoul1991 said:

Results: A total of 17,151 (61.9%) participants reported that they had ever pursued gender affirmation, broadly defined. Of these, 2242 (13.1%) reported a history of detransition. Of those who had detransitioned, 82.5% reported at least one external driving factor. Frequently endorsed external factors included pressure from family and societal stigma. History of detransition was associated with male sex assigned at birth, nonbinary gender identity, bisexual sexual orientation, and having a family unsupportive of one's gender identity. A total of 15.9% of respondents reported at least one internal driving factor, including fluctuations in or uncertainty regarding gender identity.

Conclusion: Among TGD adults with a reported history of detransition, the vast majority reported that their detransition was driven by external pressures. Clinicians should be aware of these external pressures, how they may be modified, and the possibility that patients may once again seek gender affirmation in the future.

seekingthemindofChrist · Sep 28, 2023

Greyfray said:

Hi there, thank you for your questions, whatever side you are on it helps me organize my pain.

So at age 5 I woke up to the realization that dresses made my soul scream. I was forced into them screaming all the way up till age 14ish, waaay to long, I told my guardian I would hate God if she didn't stop. I didn't know why I hated it, I thought it was because I felt naked. As an adult it's because dresses are to the majority, associated with females!

"How do you think your life would be different as a male"

I am male so I don't know lol.
But yet I love this question so I'll answer what you are probably asking.

First you have to understand the horror that hits me to be called girl. It's uncontrollable. I see females as friends, warriors, women ect, but I sit with the brothers not the sisters. Anything else would cause me excruciating pain and I would just never do it. That's like asking someone to touch a hot stovetop or telling a vegan to eat meat. Pardon my examples they may not live up to what I'm going for here, the point is, "me" is male or else there is no "me".

The difference between male and female is that an overwhelmingly amount of females are feminine. You may ask just be a tomboy then. No! Not this male thank you very much, I refuse to be associated with woman/females and femininity when I am so masculine and desire masculine brotherhood.

Straight up my soul will simply scream if looked at like a female or feminine, out of my control. Not even counting how uncomfortable it actually is to exist in a female body, like I cannot take off this stupid lie of a body and every time I have to deal with my body whether it's a mirror, a shower, scrubbing, reaching, it KILLS ME

Hi, again, and thank you for answering my questions.

I do have another question, if you do not mind me asking it.

You mentioned your guardian.

May I ask what happened to your parents?

Thank you.

Greyfray · Sep 28, 2023

seekingthemindofChrist said:

Hey there; so I was raised by grandparents because there was only one can of food in the house so dcf was called and I became adopted by my grandparents.

If you're looking for anti trans arguments, (I'm just defensive) here's some gold you can try and make value out of but it doesn't explain why I get freaked out every time my chest moves as it should be flat. Or why I was screaming in dresses before this happened.

To me, this is piss icing on a poop cake. Can I cuss in here? Idk better not lol.

My biological father didn't want to play with me because according to my grandmother, I was a girl. There was a pedophile my mom had dated but they lie detected my dad, I guess he got scared. So he wouldn't play with me. My grandfather was a good guy, he just didn't care that I screamed in dresses or rather didn't want to confront anyone with anything ever.

To this day yes I still have dad issues, I borrow Johnny 3 Tears from Hollywood Undead as like psychoanalytic transference in which I borrow him as a dad but consciously am aware that he doesn't know me or anything.

Again I had problems with dresses before my dad discarded me or whatever

seekingthemindofChrist · Sep 28, 2023

Greyfray said:

Hi.

I am not looking for any types of arguments.

You asked for prayer, and I am trying to best understand your situation so I can most effectively pray for you.

I do have another question, and it is rather personal.

You are not obligated to answer it, and if I am out of line in asking it, then I apologize.

Were you the victim of any type of sexual abuse as a child?

Thank you.

Greyfray · Sep 28, 2023

seekingthemindofChrist said:

Hey there, thank you so much for being willing to pray, it means so much to me;

I absolutely love your questions, it all helps me. So I was never sexually abused, ever.

I was emotionally neglected and gaslighted as a kid, became a person who did that to people, then God healed me so I know what to watch for to make sure the person in conflict with me always feels restored or heard out completely if I can help it

Roughsoul1991 · Sep 28, 2023

Greyfray said:

Results: A total of 17,151 (61.9%) participants reported that they had ever pursued gender affirmation, broadly defined. Of these, 2242 (13.1%) reported a history of detransition. Of those who had detransitioned, 82.5% reported at least one external driving factor. Frequently endorsed external factors included pressure from family and societal stigma. History of detransition was associated with male sex assigned at birth, nonbinary gender identity, bisexual sexual orientation, and having a family unsupportive of one's gender identity. A total of 15.9% of respondents reported at least one internal driving factor, including fluctuations in or uncertainty regarding gender identity.

Conclusion: Among TGD adults with a reported history of detransition, the vast majority reported that their detransition was driven by external pressures. Clinicians should be aware of these external pressures, how they may be modified, and the possibility that patients may once again seek gender affirmation in the future.

It is true that the majority statistically are peer pressured by the culture. But very few actually deal with legitimate gender dysphoria. That demands months or years of therapy.

Eli1 · Sep 28, 2023

Greyfray said:

I say this to a lot of people who come here in this site dealing with a lot of mental or physical problems.

If anonymous text-based communication helps you then have more of it brother!
But, if it doesn't then i suggest like i've suggested to others, it's probably best you get off the internet and get in touch with people in real life to help you or hear you out.

I also realize that anonymous online venting is a form of therapy too so have at it if it helps you.

ThereRoseaLamb · Sep 28, 2023

Blain said:

Hey brother, I haven't seen you around, I hope you are well and blessed!! Here is what the OP said...

If you don't believe a transgender male is a valid male please don't comment I'm in pain and don't want my time wasted.

Now how can one answer this? God created male and female and transgenderism is a sin, it leads to death. And if this person is serious about wanting to take their life, now would be the time to tell them the truth! They are in bondage and apparently no one else cares enough about them to tell them the truth. Therefore we must! It may be seen as a waste of time by the OP, but you and I both are straight shooters, and we cannot let a lie pass. We are not helping people when we do that.

Greyfray · Sep 28, 2023

ThereRoseaLamb said:

Fair argument, in the area of your moral dilemma. Guess I came in here looking only for transgender support because I thought there would be more people that felt that if Satan "corrupted dna" if I'm getting that right, then how can it be a sin to go against something as strong as dna. But now that I'm here, I could argue with y'all all day unless I felt disrespected then I would say something anyway. I guess I'm here for my day in court now. There's multiple people brainstorming my problem now, certain people are asking great questions, and I feel protected by God in that if someone says something nasty to me, they'll be backlash because they aren't showing themselves to be acting in love or honor. So I renounce my statement about not wanting to talk to people who don't see me as male because it's their word against my innocent pain

2ndTimeIsTheCharm · Sep 28, 2023

Greyfray said:

God made you female so why not submit to the Holy Spirit and let Him help you be the female He wants you to be? It looks like you want us pity you so that we'd go along with what you want instead of what God wants. But if you're going to be a Christian, you really have to go along with God and His ways. And He is truly powerful to help you. If you say that He hasn't, it shows that you haven't truly submitted to Him.

I'll pray that you'll submit to the Lord and His will. I'm not going to pray that you have your way.

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Jimbone · Sep 28, 2023

Greyfray said:

I accept Jesus as my Savior because he died on the cross for my sins, and I want a relationship with him and for him to teach me his ways so I can love correctly all the time. I also cannot be in this much pain and walk away from the one that made it all possible. There is no other God I can go to and that's a thought that has me rocking back and forth in my bed, that I have to accept love from the one that allowed this to happen to me. And may in the name of Jesus Christ, may I never ever know why God did this to me because there is no reason good enough. I should have never been born.[/QUOTE]

I don't know how I messed up the format on that last reply so bad, but it looked like you knew which part was me. Please understand that I am still not trying to do anything now but testify to what our God has shown me and point another to Him. I just want to share my perspective with you. I am only saying these next things because I love you and want you to find the peace inside that you're seeking. Again please know I'm not trying to "teach you", or throw stones, nothing like that.

I don't know if you've been born again yet, and I don't say that like I could even know. You just seem to sound just like I did before He saved me. The biggest reason I say this is because someone that truly KNOWS Jesus and has been reconciled to Him in Spirit by His power also KNOWS that they were absolutely born for a reason. You'd know in your soul that "I should have never been born", is a lie and impossible to be true. I can't tell you what to do to be born again because it's personal between each person and Him, but I can tell you how it happen for me. I hit my knees in complete defeat, if I had ever truly believed in God before this, when I hit my knees I didn't. I had just reached the end of my own power and could no longer hide from the truth of my futility. I was broken and trapped with no power at all to do anything about it. I hit my knees and quit, I said "I can't do it anymore, I can't do it anymore, I can't do it anymore, world you win and I quit!". That was it, no formula, no one to witness it, I did so at my lowest point completely soggy from the streaming tears, but it was more about my state then anything.

I didn't know it at the time, but God had just granted me repentance. I woke up the next day new, but it didn't even dawn on me until lunch the next day what happen. At lunchtime it hit me like a freight train, "I haven't thought about killing myself at all today!" From there I didn't know what happen, but whatever this was it was God, and Jesus was His son. I'm not really sharing this as a template for you, but for you to ask yourself if this has happen to you? Have you put yourself to death and been resurrected and reconciled to the REAL LIFE God? I just relate to the chaos you've got going inside, and you're seeking. He is the way, you are right about that, and He is calling YOU, you have purpose and I am going to be praying for you to be as amazed by the truth of Him as I was when He opens your eyes. The truth is that you are WONDERFULLY made exactly how you were supposed to be and Our King has a purpose for you. Being born again is an actual event that happens, not a mental choice we make at church, keep looking to Him and SEEK with your whole hurting heart, He tells us we will find!

Greyfray · Sep 28, 2023

2ndTimeIsTheCharm said:

Awful nice and presumptuous of you to say I'm here for pity. I can't live as female because it's like trying to touch a hot stove, it hurts.

ThereRoseaLamb · Sep 28, 2023

Greyfray said:

I'm sorry, that is not true.

Greyfray said:

Well there in is your pain. You cannot go against God's Word and win. God doesn't need your consent. He created us for a purpose. He does it for our own good. The more we fight against Him the more pain we cause ourselves.

Greyfray said:

Do you understand the gravity of that comment? I believe that when the Bible speaks of strong delusions this is what it is speaking of. You know I am a woman, born a woman. But that is not all that I am. I am a daughter, a sister and sil , a granddaughter, soon a great aunt, and a wife. All those things require different parts of me. For someone to look at me and say I am just a woman would be false. The problem today is that people are defining their entire lives by their sex and who they have sex with, and this is a delusion by satan to make some people believe that they cannot be happy as God made them. I feel very sad for you, but you are the creator of your own misery. I do hope you will open your heart to God and trust Him.

Greyfray · Sep 28, 2023

Jimbone said:

I don't know how I messed up the format on that last reply so bad, but it looked like you knew which part was me. Please understand that I am still not trying to do anything now but testify to what our God has shown me and point another to Him. I just want to share my perspective with you. I am only saying these next things because I love you and want you to find the peace inside that you're seeking. Again please know I'm not trying to "teach you", or throw stones, nothing like that.

I don't know if you've been born again yet, and I don't say that like I could even know. You just seem to sound just like I did before He saved me. The biggest reason I say this is because someone that truly KNOWS Jesus and has been reconciled to Him in Spirit by His power also KNOWS that they were absolutely born for a reason. You'd know in your soul that "I should have never been born", is a lie and impossible to be true. I can't tell you what to do to be born again because it's personal between each person and Him, but I can tell you how it happen for me. I hit my knees in complete defeat, if I had ever truly believed in God before this, when I hit my knees I didn't. I had just reached the end of my own power and could no longer hide from the truth of my futility. I was broken and trapped with no power at all to do anything about it. I hit my knees and quit, I said "I can't do it anymore, I can't do it anymore, I can't do it anymore, world you win and I quit!". That was it, no formula, no one to witness it, I did so at my lowest point completely soggy from the streaming tears, but it was more about my state then anything.

I didn't know it at the time, but God had just granted me repentance. I woke up the next day new, but it didn't even dawn on me until lunch the next day what happen. At lunchtime it hit me like a freight train, "I haven't thought about killing myself at all today!" From there I didn't know what happen, but whatever this was it was God, and Jesus was His son. I'm not really sharing this as a template for you, but for you to ask yourself if this has happen to you? Have you put yourself to death and been resurrected and reconciled to the REAL LIFE God? I just relate to the chaos you've got going inside, and you're seeking. He is the way, you are right about that, and He is calling YOU, you have purpose and I am going to be praying for you to be as amazed by the truth of Him as I was when He opens your eyes. The truth is that you are WONDERFULLY made exactly how you were supposed to be and Our King has a purpose for you. Being born again is an actual event that happens, not a mental choice we make at church, keep looking to Him and SEEK with your whole hurting heart, He tells us we will find![/QUOTE]
I can't live as female, it's like touching a hot stove or being burned in fire. What say you? Give my life to Jesus again? Baptize a second time? There is but one baptism for the forgiveness of sins; How bad it would hurt me to live as female? Impossible and I would rather be separated from God in hell. Jesus tells Judus it was better if he had never been born. Proof that there is such a condition in my eyes

2ndTimeIsTheCharm · Sep 28, 2023

Greyfray said:

I don't know for a fact if you're actually feeling pain. I don't know if you are what or who you say you really are. All I know is there is a very active movement now to corrupt Christians and make them accept the LGBTQ+ lifestyle and that if we don't, we are mean people, so on and so forth. However, that shaming doesn't work on me.

If you're really a Christian, your whole life would be centered around God and what pleases Him, not you. There are a lot of people in real pain and yet they are able to rise above it because their focus is on God. So don't tell me that you can't do this, when so many Christians have.

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Greyfray · Sep 28, 2023

ThereRoseaLamb said:

Wanted to address a few of your points. I've tried to kill myself 5 or more times because someone had called me a she or her. When this goes on, I feel uncontrollable pain. You being a woman, what do you know of loss of masculinity that you would die over? I was supposed to be a brother! A son, and I am but ive been stripped of my proof except my pain like touching a hot stove or fire if I were to even remotely entertain the idea of living as female. What challenges do you face as your gender? Do you scream inside when your body isn't built to piss standing up? Do you gasp in horror when your chest moves? No? Do you feel nothing but shame and humiliation to be called girl? Are you repulsed by anything feminine? Now tell me I create my own misery

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