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Welcome LoriSaysHey!
I just posted this for someone else and noticed your new thread/ post. Perhaps This will answer your question.
The only way anyone can be saved from God's wrath is through Jesus as described in the link. Please check it out and let me know what you think.
John 3
36He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
I just posted this for someone else and noticed your new thread/ post. Perhaps This will answer your question.
The only way anyone can be saved from God's wrath is through Jesus as described in the link. Please check it out and let me know what you think.
John 3
36He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
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Ok, I used to believe that as well. But, the more I dig deeper into God's Word, the more questions arise concerning this very important issue. I want to believe that God takes us out of here before He pours out His wrath on the unbelievers. He promises us (Believers) in many Scriptures (Romans 5:9, John 3:36, 1 Thes 1:10, 1 Thes 5:0) that we will escape HIs wrath to come, which begins in Rev 6:11. But if you become a Believer AFTER the rapture, even if you are in a safe place during the duration of the last 3-1/2 years while He pours out His wrath, won't you miss the Marriage Super of the Lamb (Rev 19:7-10) and the Bema seat judgment for Believers (2 Corin 5:9=10) which takes place in heaven with all God's children (aka His bride) before we return with Jesus at the end? Have you ever thought about this?
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Yes, I totally agree as this is what God's Word promises. But what about those that get saved AFTER the rapture? Even if they find a safe place to hide from God's wrath, won't they miss out on the Marriage Super of the Lamb (Rev 19:7-10) and the Bema Seat Judgment (2 Corin 5:9-10) which happens in heaven before we come back to earth with Christ?
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Precious friend, yes, that does happen to many diligent students of God's
Word Of Truth. Have you considered It, Rightly Divided, to help with questions?
Basic Distinctions (14 + 4 more) Of Prophecy vs Mystery!
Update/Addition (#19)
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This may be helpful:
God's Great GRACE Departure!
Amen.
Word Of Truth. Have you considered It, Rightly Divided, to help with questions?
Basic Distinctions (14 + 4 more) Of Prophecy vs Mystery!
Update/Addition (#19)
+:
This may be helpful:
God's Great GRACE Departure!
Amen.
The means of salvation is always the same.
That's the thing to keep in mind. Jesus suffered crucifixion as all of our sins were poured out upon Him. Every last sin you will ever commit upon this planet was taken care of by the Lord. The Father accepted that as just and was satisfied with that complete payment. Jesus died and went to hell. In the third day He arose from the grave, proved He was resurrected back to life to many hundreds of eye witnesses. You and I can add nothing to that other than contempt for Him by saying "that sacrifice was not enough, so we must perform some good works like obedience to the law, sacraments, etc. "
That is fake Christianity.
The gospel of John tells us exactly 💯 Times how to properly respond to the gospel. God the Holy Spirit made sure that if you want to check what He thinks you'll find that the response is to believe on Him, just like Jesus told so many. However, He is honored by taking Him at His word and trusting what He said to be true as only God is. Then to trust that what He did for us is absolutely adequate. After that you can be absolutely confident that He has kept His Word and given you His gift of everlasting life.
"And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 13These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."
I John 5:11...
Your good question will be answered after the other, most important thing is settled.
I agree with your view on the rapture taking place before the wrath of God is poured out upon the world. For more information on that topic, I'll include a documentary on the topic. If you watch it and want more, just ask because there's a part 2.
Have a blessed day.
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Good Documentary on End Times Prophecy
That's the thing to keep in mind. Jesus suffered crucifixion as all of our sins were poured out upon Him. Every last sin you will ever commit upon this planet was taken care of by the Lord. The Father accepted that as just and was satisfied with that complete payment. Jesus died and went to hell. In the third day He arose from the grave, proved He was resurrected back to life to many hundreds of eye witnesses. You and I can add nothing to that other than contempt for Him by saying "that sacrifice was not enough, so we must perform some good works like obedience to the law, sacraments, etc. "
That is fake Christianity.
The gospel of John tells us exactly 💯 Times how to properly respond to the gospel. God the Holy Spirit made sure that if you want to check what He thinks you'll find that the response is to believe on Him, just like Jesus told so many. However, He is honored by taking Him at His word and trusting what He said to be true as only God is. Then to trust that what He did for us is absolutely adequate. After that you can be absolutely confident that He has kept His Word and given you His gift of everlasting life.
"And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 13These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."
I John 5:11...
Your good question will be answered after the other, most important thing is settled.
I agree with your view on the rapture taking place before the wrath of God is poured out upon the world. For more information on that topic, I'll include a documentary on the topic. If you watch it and want more, just ask because there's a part 2.
Have a blessed day.
☕🙂👍
Good Documentary on End Times Prophecy
Oh wow, what does God require of me to be saved? Well, I heard the Gospel for the first time in 1981. Was surprised that according to John 3:16, that it was so easy to get saved. Per Rev 3:20 I believe that at the time God was knocking on the door of my heart, and I believed and responded to His grace by faith per Ephesians 2:8-9 and confessed my sins per 1 John 4:15 and thanked Jesus for dying for my sins. I believed that I was forgiven and trusted Jesus as my Lord and Savior per Romans 10:9. I know that I cannot loose my salvation because Jesus promised us in John 10:28-29 that no one can snatch them out of His hand. I believe this with my whole heart and soul and endeaver to tell as many people who will listen to do the same per Mark 16:15. I endeaver to live my life in a way that pleases Him. I stumble from time to time, but I confess my sins per 1 John 1:9 and He is faithful and just to forgive my sins and cleanse me from all unrighteousness. PTL!!!!
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Maybe, because in Rev 14 the gospel is preached
Revelation 14:6-7 KJV
And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
[7] Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
Revelation 14:6-7 KJV
And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
[7] Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
Revelation 21:1-2,24 KJV
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
[2] And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
[24] And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
[2] And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
[24] And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
Thank you for your reply. I was taught that Rev 14 does not occur AFTER the rapture, but that it IS the rapture in further details. And that the rapture occurs just before God pours out His wrath upon the earth. In Rev 6:15-17, John provides the evidence of when God's wrath begins as spoken of by the kings of the earth and others who were witnessing it. Chapter 7 identifies the two groups of people who got raptured, the 144,000 and the great multitude of gentiles. Chapter 8:5 describes the start of God's wrath followed by the Trumpet judgments of which John said in Rev 9:21 that they still did not repent. So then the 7 bowls of judgement (worse than the trumpet judgments) were poured out as described in chapter 15 and 16, and again John states in Rev 16:11 that they blasphemed God and still did not repent. So given all this, it appears to me that no one is saved once God's wrath begins. And as I stated in a previous response, if anyone is saved after God's wrath begins, wouldn't they miss out on the wedding feast in heaven and the Bema seat judgment that happens in heaven with all the believers before they come back to earth with Jesus at the second coming?
Thank you, good to hear from you!
I was taught to look at
Rev chapters 6-10 as the first 3 1/2 years of the last 7 year period before the 1,000 year reign of the Lord Jesus Christ.
And that those on the earth who have overcome……
(Revelation 3:21 KJV
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.)
will be caught up…..
Revelation 12:2, 5 KJV
2. “Travailing in birth”
(Travailing to present (Col 1:28-29)
(Travailing to bring forth (Rev 2:25-27)
(Travailing that Christ be formed (Gal 4:19)
5. And she brought forth a man child,
who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
in the middle of the 7 year period.
In Rev chapter 10:7 we see…..
-The seventh trumpet.
-The Mystery of God is finished
(Ephesians 5:32 KJV
This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.)
Revelation 11:15,17-18 KJV
And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
[17] Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
[18] And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Most Christians know that there are some who are left behind.
Here they are called….”the remnant of her seed”
But we see, now they realise that they have been left behind and had Not been living 💯 percent for God,
Now they fully repent, and keep the commandments of God.
Revelation 12:17 KJV
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with
the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
I can write more, but the time does not permit ☺️
God be with you!
I was taught to look at
Rev chapters 6-10 as the first 3 1/2 years of the last 7 year period before the 1,000 year reign of the Lord Jesus Christ.
And that those on the earth who have overcome……
(Revelation 3:21 KJV
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.)
will be caught up…..
Revelation 12:2, 5 KJV
2. “Travailing in birth”
(Travailing to present (Col 1:28-29)
(Travailing to bring forth (Rev 2:25-27)
(Travailing that Christ be formed (Gal 4:19)
5. And she brought forth a man child,
who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
in the middle of the 7 year period.
In Rev chapter 10:7 we see…..
-The seventh trumpet.
-The Mystery of God is finished
(Ephesians 5:32 KJV
This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.)
Revelation 11:15,17-18 KJV
And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
[17] Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
[18] And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Most Christians know that there are some who are left behind.
Here they are called….”the remnant of her seed”
But we see, now they realise that they have been left behind and had Not been living 💯 percent for God,
Now they fully repent, and keep the commandments of God.
Revelation 12:17 KJV
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with
the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
I can write more, but the time does not permit ☺️
God be with you!