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Thou shalt not kill
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pottersclay
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Ecclesiastes 3:1-8
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To every thing there is a season,
and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
A time to be born, a time to die;
a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
A time to kill, and a time to heal;
a time to break down, and a time to build up;
A time to weep, and a time to laugh;
a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together;
a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
A time to get, and a time to lose;
a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
A time to rend, and a time to sew;
a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
A time to love, and a time to hate;
A time of war, and a time of peace.
Jesus said the whole bible is about him.....stop separating the o.t /n.t.
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To every thing there is a season,
and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
A time to be born, a time to die;
a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
A time to kill, and a time to heal;
a time to break down, and a time to build up;
A time to weep, and a time to laugh;
a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together;
a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
A time to get, and a time to lose;
a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
A time to rend, and a time to sew;
a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
A time to love, and a time to hate;
A time of war, and a time of peace.
Jesus said the whole bible is about him.....stop separating the o.t /n.t.
Look the word up....it means murder....on the flip side....Solomon said there is a time to kill......
Maybe the ones who wrote/drafted the Bible didn’t find anything written down. Maybe he had great speeches about the matter that led to many Christians laying down their lives without a fight. With as many as converted, surely their would have been great battles to have written about. Or, maybe love your enemy to many means don’t take their life.
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Locoponydirtman
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Because we have the rest of scripture, and in Christ we have a redeemed God given mind to use; in conjunction with the fullness of scripture, and his teaching gives us the correct answer on every subject that arises. Even if Jesus didn't address it himself directly.
"Why?...We humans have a cognitive nature, of examining 'things' in our world.
The Bible being 'inspired' in another time of 'One' pocessing the three O's, shall be
considered out of the human element. Being reminded, but often ignored...there are
things not meant to understand...efforts to pursue 'why' leaves unanswered questions,
likely never to be known by a human...for here is where, acceptance, faith and trust in God
shall be for those of us that understand, our responsibility is to strive to apply God's
'principles' in our life, here in the now...this being a fulltime endeavor, is it not."
'Praise God'
The Bible being 'inspired' in another time of 'One' pocessing the three O's, shall be
considered out of the human element. Being reminded, but often ignored...there are
things not meant to understand...efforts to pursue 'why' leaves unanswered questions,
likely never to be known by a human...for here is where, acceptance, faith and trust in God
shall be for those of us that understand, our responsibility is to strive to apply God's
'principles' in our life, here in the now...this being a fulltime endeavor, is it not."
'Praise God'
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No..
Suicide is Murder..
But through the Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ, murder like other sins are forgiven.
It is my understanding that as Christians, we give our life to Christ. We become His Body on earth. So if we commit suicide we are taking our life back from Him and doing as we please with it. If we are successful there is no way to receive forgiveness without asking for it.
I disagree.. Jesus said there was only one unforgivable sin.. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit..
Murder / suicide is not Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.. Murderers will be forgiven their sins through the Atonement of Jesus..
NayborBear
Banned Serpent Seed Heresy
Jesus never said anything about "playing games" on the internet either!
Yet!? Here you are!
Ones view of who Jesus is, will affect their view on any issue in this life. Jesus and all the Apostles used the OT exclusively in their teachings. Jesus did not change anything in the OT, He simply clarifies the true meaning.
God calls us to defend the weak, to love our enemies, to uphold justice (ex: enforce laws with penalties), etc. So understand that you can pick one of these, ignore the others, and come out very confused because your theological framework was overly simplistic and therefore not capable of sorting out more difficult questions.
Jesus turns the other cheek when appropriate, and then flips over tables and uses an improvised weapon in another. Jesus is hugging children one moment, and then transfigured into a scary visage that shined like the sun. Jesus is forgiving the prostitute, and then rebuking and provoking the religious leaders of the day until they want to murder Him.
In Revelation 5, we see Jesus appears as both a lamb and a lion at the same time. He is gentle and loving, and He is dangerous and ferocious. We should be the same way; the trick is knowing when to turn the other cheek (as a sacrificial lamb), and when to fight (as a furious lion).
God calls us to defend the weak, to love our enemies, to uphold justice (ex: enforce laws with penalties), etc. So understand that you can pick one of these, ignore the others, and come out very confused because your theological framework was overly simplistic and therefore not capable of sorting out more difficult questions.
Jesus turns the other cheek when appropriate, and then flips over tables and uses an improvised weapon in another. Jesus is hugging children one moment, and then transfigured into a scary visage that shined like the sun. Jesus is forgiving the prostitute, and then rebuking and provoking the religious leaders of the day until they want to murder Him.
In Revelation 5, we see Jesus appears as both a lamb and a lion at the same time. He is gentle and loving, and He is dangerous and ferocious. We should be the same way; the trick is knowing when to turn the other cheek (as a sacrificial lamb), and when to fight (as a furious lion).
JEsus said in John 10:10 the thief only comes to steal, and kill and destroy but I am come so that they might have life and life more abundantly.
Oh I see someone already posted that scripture.
Am not sure what else to say Jesus definitely did not kill anyone when he was on earth(except a fig tree) but he DID defeat satan and has condemned him to the lake of fire. Also he will get his Father and the holy angels to carry out vengeance on the wicked in the seven plagues.
As Jesus was killed himself but didnt raise an an army that fought flesh and blood I think it was not appropriate that he get his followers to kill anyone, they cast out demons instead. He was always telling people NOT to kill each other...when some people tried to stone and kill the woman caught in adultery, he stopped them! JEsus COULD have stoned and killed her too, as he had no sin, but he didnt! He let her go and told her to sin no more.
Also I dont recall a single instance of anyone in the book of acts who followed Jesus being told to kill anyone. JEsus even stopped .saul from killing believers by converting him.
Oh I see someone already posted that scripture.
Am not sure what else to say Jesus definitely did not kill anyone when he was on earth(except a fig tree) but he DID defeat satan and has condemned him to the lake of fire. Also he will get his Father and the holy angels to carry out vengeance on the wicked in the seven plagues.
As Jesus was killed himself but didnt raise an an army that fought flesh and blood I think it was not appropriate that he get his followers to kill anyone, they cast out demons instead. He was always telling people NOT to kill each other...when some people tried to stone and kill the woman caught in adultery, he stopped them! JEsus COULD have stoned and killed her too, as he had no sin, but he didnt! He let her go and told her to sin no more.
Also I dont recall a single instance of anyone in the book of acts who followed Jesus being told to kill anyone. JEsus even stopped .saul from killing believers by converting him.
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kaylagrl
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Just because Jesus didn't restate everything in OT doesn't mean He didn't agree with it. People use this logic to say Jesus didn't preach on homosexuality. The thing is Jesus stepped into time for a reason, that the lost would be saved. He came to die. He had a mission. In the OT the Jews defended themselves against attacks from other peoples,I see no reason why that would change in the NT.
You are confusing self defense with the defense of a nation (which requires an army). And all the teachings of Christ were in the context of personal relations.
Self-defense (or the defense of family or loved ones) is not forbidden. Neither is the execution of criminals and evildoers. Only murder is forbidden. Thou shalt do no murder is what Scripture says. Which includes self-murder (suicide).
I think to use the term “self murder” is to rely upon a term coined in the 17th century. If you study the examples in the OT & NT you will see little commentary upon those acts that clearly qualify as suicidal.
Many don’t even include Samson’s death as suicide because it might be construed as an “acceptable” act. Do you view Samson’s death as such?
In the broadest sense of the term, could the crucifixion of Jesus be viewed as a near version of such? Does putting oneself in the inevitable path of sure death relate one to martyrdom or suicidal? Or is it ones motive?
There are many sins in this life but the Bible speaks of only one that is unforgivable. Statistics indicate that 90% of those that succeed in killing themselves are mentally unstable. One veteran a day takes their own life.
Is it wrong, yes, is it forgivable?
No. For the simple reason that there was a plan and purpose for His SACRIFICE -- and offering to God. And that was purposed before the creation of the universe.
This is what the pope said a few days ago.
That "public opinion is manifesting a growing opposition to the death penalty, even as a means of legitimate social defence," he called a "sign of hope."
In addition to being offensive to the inviolability of human life, Pope Francis said that the death penalty is not "consonant with any just purpose of punishment."
"It does not render justice to victims, but instead fosters vengeance. The commandment 'Thou shalt not kill' has absolute value and applies both to the innocent and to the guilty."
Recalling the Jubilee of Mercy being celebrated currently, the Roman Pontiff said the year is "an auspicious occasion for promoting worldwide ever more evolved forms of respect for the life and dignity of each person."
"It must not be forgotten that the inviolable and God-given right to life also belongs to the criminal," he exhorted.
Pope Francis at the General Audience in St. Peter's Square (Daniel Ibanez/CNA).
In addition to calling for an end to capital punishment, Pope Francis called on the participants to work for the improvement of prison conditions "so that they fully respect the human dignity of those incarcerated."
He reiterated that rendering justice "does not mean seeking punishment for its own sake, but ensuring that the basic purpose of all punishment is the rehabilitation of the offender."
The question of justice should be answered "within the larger framework of a system of penal justice open to the possibility of the guilty party's reinsertion in society," he said.
"There is no fitting punishment without hope! Punishment for its own sake, without room for hope, is a form of torture, not of punishment."
Pope Francis' video message echoed earlier calls he has made for an end to the use of the death penalty. His immediate predecessors, Benedict XVI and St. John Paul II, also spoke out against its use in modern society.
It is written sell your cloak and by a dagger...
And the strong man not suffereth his house ti be broken into....
And it is better for child offenders to have a millstone around their neck and be cast into the sea....
Your not one of those that teaches Jesus was a panzy and his coming back as a sacrificial lamb are you!
He is coming back to kick fanny as the Lion of Judah the same lion that cleared the temple.....
These people that teach Jesus was a panzy effeminate erk me........
He is going to have blood on his garments read your scripture! Isaiah 63 coming from Bazrah
What is it with people.