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Chaunte

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I read an article five signs of a person who has an evil wicked heart This article named everything i seen in the man iv'e been with for over three years These signs ate also very congruent to those of a person with Narcissistic personality disorder I educating myself on the NPD it's said to not waste time leave right away Although iv'e experienced some heart breaking disappointing moments with this man i still love him I want him to get help My question. Can a person with an evil and wicked heart be healed through prayer love support and patients? I am a Christian woman who believe that love conquers all Along with the love faith and trust i have in my heavenly Father anything is possible Is this crazy thinking??
 

Silverwings

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I think it would be bonified miracle if it happened. It seems that you are not intending to give him up , but it sees to me that you are setting yourself up for heartbreak, but it is your life . I do not understand how a Christian woman would find anything attractive about a man who has a evil wicked heart? That sounds strange to me , and you are aware that the bible teaches against a union between a believer and an unbeliever? If you insist on going forward with this, I am afraid there will come a time when you will regret this decision, But again, your life, your heartbreak, and your choice, I just pray that you will change your mind while there is time;
 
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yeah and no, my experience with this is . i wanted her to change but my freewill was leave or take her as she was,and her freewill was do what she wanted,,well 25 years laters ,i left along time ago but she has changed a little,but i have learned to accept her as she is.see god didint change her .he changed me.she is my ex-wife .so if your not happy i would say not to late to leave.but as they say dont believe everything you read because if Peter the apostle would have wrote an article on Saul not Paul the Apostle,he would have probally called him pretty dam evil.so i would go with the advice Jesus gave us you will tell what the tree is by its fruits.just one more thing you have to learn the difference between love and lust.love will be willing to do anything for you .lust will be willing for you to do anything for him.
 

TabinRivCA

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I agree w/Silverwings. The Bible warns 'Do not be unequally yoked'. You've been w/him for 3 yrs, so have you seen any improvement?
Like Gerry53 said he wound up divorced. You love this man for what you want him to be, not who he is, unless you like torment. You even claim he has signs of having 'an evil wicked heart'. Do you expect him to change overnight?
My advise is to separate. If he is serious about you he will want to know what's going on. Then you need to tell him exactly what you think. A true narcissist won't concede to anything he's doing wrong, but if there's any hope maybe he will, but you would HAVE to hold him to changing.
One of the fruits of the Spirit is wisdom and we need to use it and not let our carnal nature rule us. I hope you put God then yourself before anyone else, God bless.
 

Silverwings

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I ran into this article on Quora and thought of you, so I wanted to share it!!
When will I know, that I have completely healed from the narcissist abuse?


Serenity Pratt
, Bachelor of arts Business & Human Psychology, University of the Bahamas (2010)
Answered Apr 19



Narcissistic abuse is, in many ways, the worst kind of abuse. It is an attack on all fronts: Mental, emotional and sometimes even physical. It undermines the person's confidence and can even cause them to question their own sanity.
Dealing with a narcissist is literally like being at war!!!! It is being under attack all the time with no let up, no time to heal, and no way to defend yourself.
Recovery doesn't end with the relationship. It begins with ending the relationship. Healing takes place after the recovery as a matter of course. And if you were physically abused, your body goes through changes and reactions when you are upset or when abuse happens.
Emotionally, you're likely to be torn. You hate the narc for what they have done and you feel angry but you also feel that you love the narcissist on some level. You may need to grieve the relationship. It may not have been what you thought it was, but it still deserves to be grieved. You lost something important to you, and the fact that it wasn't real to the narcissist doesn't even matter.
It was real to you!!!! It was important to you!!!!!
Don't be afraid to grieve for what you have lost. It's important if you want to truly heal. It's ok to say I love this person. I wanted to be with this person. I thought it could work or however you feel. In a real way something died. The realization that the narcissist is not who we thought they were can feel like someone did actually die.
Acknowledge those feelings and process them. GRIEF is how healing start. GRIEF does take time to go through and it does not start until there is a legitimate recognition that the relationship is truly over. Let go of the idea of it.
You may have become enmeshed with the narcissist and may be sharing what is called a trauma bond with them. Trauma bonding is very powerful. It is the Bonding of someone to another person through abuse or some other type of trauma. Bonding of any kind is not love or trust or affection, even though it feel strong. Unlike love and affection, a bond grows greater over time regardless of your actual feelings. You can have a trauma bond with a person you don't even like, and feel unable to leave or let the relationship go even though you dislike of even hate this person.
This is often what causes people to stay in all types of relationships even though everyone is miserable the push- pull of narcissistic relationships is one of the things that creates this dynamic. Your mind and body become hyped up and upset, hormones are released.
Your body and mind become accustomed to this roller coaster over a period of time and eventually begin to crave it, it is causing you a great deal off stress. The narc craves it to, it's often representative of the environment they were raised in and because of that they suffer from chronic boredom and feelings of emptiness.
This is one reason why they intentionally provoke fights and cause problems. Without all that drama and fussing, they just don't feel alive. It may be how you were raised too, and that's why you were susceptible to it. They and you also crave the affection and calm that follows the drama. Without war, you wouldn't know what peace is, right?
Because of trauma bonding and enmeshment , it is very difficult to walk away from these relationships, even when you truly dislike the person and truly recognize the relationship is abusive, empty or pointless.
This is why being discarded or abandoned is so painful. Not only is the relationship that you put your very soul into is over and your illusions totally shattered which is bad within itself but you have the war with no peace. Your body and mind is addicted to that cycle.
And when it is broken, it's extremely hard to deal with this person abused you, treated you badly and hurt you. You feel anger. Anger is important, as it is often the reason people leave relationships. However, holding on to anger or hatred for long periods of time is detrimental.
If anger is acknowledged and processed, it will work itself out naturally. Be careful to let that happen, rather than trying to hold onto it. It will fade over time, as it is suppose to. One of the way To work through your anger is to understand what happened. Emotions cloud everything they make things much harder to see and deal with. Sometimes emotions make things hard to understand. What help people be less angry is understanding that this is a disordered sick and truly miserable person who hurt you for reasons of their own that have nothing to do with you
Being angry at the narc doesn't punish them. It does nothing to them because they don't care how you feel. That's part of their disorder. It only hurts you and in time you will find that you are tired of hurting and you will let that anger GO!!!!
Once you have dealt with the recovery and all the emotions, HEALING CAN BEGIN!!!. These things are very important to the healing process and if they do not take place, healing will be incomplete or will not occur. People say they are healed, but they are still so angry, or so hyper vigilant in relationships. This is not healing.
One of the most important functions of healing is to learn why things happen and accept your role in what happened.
Of course, you had no role in the narcissist's abuse but you can learn why you did not leave the relationship when the abuse became apparent, or why you became ADDICTED to the chaos cycle in the first place so that you can prevent this from happening again.
THAT IS TRUE HEALING!!!!!
ITs AN ONGOING PROCESS BUT IT IS ABSOLUTELY POSSIBLE. Narcissist cannot heal, they cannot acknowledge their responsibility in any situation and they cannot learn from their mistakes.
YOU CAN!!!!!
GAME OVER!!!!
 
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My advise is to end the relationship with him. It will just be heartache and trouble. Who wants that. If you don't feel able to do this ask God to close the door to the relationship for you. I was once in a similar situation, but found it too hard to end the relationship because my feelings were too strong. I said to God I am unable to do this so could you close the door to this relationship for me. Well it was the quickest prayer I have had answered. Within that week the door closed well and truly. I now feel free and happy that it ended.
 

PennEd

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I read an article five signs of a person who has an evil wicked heart This article named everything i seen in the man iv'e been with for over three years These signs ate also very congruent to those of a person with Narcissistic personality disorder I educating myself on the NPD it's said to not waste time leave right away Although iv'e experienced some heart breaking disappointing moments with this man i still love him I want him to get help My question. Can a person with an evil and wicked heart be healed through prayer love support and patients? I am a Christian woman who believe that love conquers all Along with the love faith and trust i have in my heavenly Father anything is possible Is this crazy thinking??

Not making a judgement on whether you should stay or leave, just on this idea of a "evil and wicked " heart.

We ALL have a wicked and evil heart before we are born again and the Lord gives us a NEW heart. There are volumes of Scripture to support this. It's the person that thinks their heart is fine, and that whatever flaws his heart may have he or she themselves can fix, that is irredeemable.

Jesus came to save sinners, NOT the "righteous".
 

blue_ladybug

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Welcome to CC. :)

This subject is better suited for the Family forum, where other threads of the same nature are.
 

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I read an article five signs of a person who has an evil wicked heart This article named everything i seen in the man iv'e been with for over three years These signs ate also very congruent to those of a person with Narcissistic personality disorder I educating myself on the NPD it's said to not waste time leave right away Although iv'e experienced some heart breaking disappointing moments with this man i still love him I want him to get help My question. Can a person with an evil and wicked heart be healed through prayer love support and patients? I am a Christian woman who believe that love conquers all Along with the love faith and trust i have in my heavenly Father anything is possible Is this crazy thinking??
I would accept Ruby's counsel on this matter. Yes, with God anything is possible but not everything is probable. Glad to have you as a member of our community. Welcome to CC.
 

Subhumanoidal

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I read an article five signs of a person who has an evil wicked heart This article named everything i seen in the man iv'e been with for over three years These signs ate also very congruent to those of a person with Narcissistic personality disorder I educating myself on the NPD it's said to not waste time leave right away Although iv'e experienced some heart breaking disappointing moments with this man i still love him I want him to get help My question. Can a person with an evil and wicked heart be healed through prayer love support and patients? I am a Christian woman who believe that love conquers all Along with the love faith and trust i have in my heavenly Father anything is possible Is this crazy thinking??
Well there is one very important piece your missing. That you are Not qualified to give a psychiatric diagnosis. Researching online is not the same as an actual education on a topic. You have the Cliff notes version. So step one, remove the psychiatric diagnosis you've applied and stop using it as if it's fact.
Psychiatric diagnosis is often much deeper and more involved than reading articles online about disorders.

Secondly you make claims about your husband but provide Zero context as to how you arrived to this conclussion. How you view him and the reasons why you do so may seem reasonable to you, but may not seem the same to others.

Giving the benefit of the doubt that your claims are even half true, heres some thoughts.
Narcissism is extremely difficult to change. Narcissism is found in most abusive men, for example, yet abusive men have an extremely low rate of changing out of abusive behaviors and mindsets.
The first step to change is saying "I'm wrong". If one is narcissistic that means their capacity to even recognize blame or fault in themselves is near impossible. And to do so would cause their world to come crumbling down. They won't allow that to happen.

Now, are we able to pray someone to change? No. We can pray that God may move in their lives to urge them in the right direction, but ultimately it has to be that persons willingness, understanding and acceptance. Anything less and free will is no longer free will. And there Are some who are too far gone (consider Pharoah chasing Moses and the Jews), but we humans have no capacity whatsoever to know who that would be.

The questions you have to answer for Yourself, are you willing to wait and pray? For how long? Can you go another 5 years and see no change? 10 years? 30 years?
This is the difficulty in relationships, especially marriage. If you're married to someone not good, do you stay? Go? Will they get better? Stay the same? Get worse? There is no answer. It's up to you to decide if the risk outweighs the reward, or vice versa. That's something no one here can advise on.

If he is violent, then yes, you should leave.
 
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I read an article five signs of a person who has an evil wicked heart This article named everything i seen in the man iv'e been with for over three years These signs ate also very congruent to those of a person with Narcissistic personality disorder I educating myself on the NPD it's said to not waste time leave right away Although iv'e experienced some heart breaking disappointing moments with this man i still love him I want him to get help My question. Can a person with an evil and wicked heart be healed through prayer love support and patients? I am a Christian woman who believe that love conquers all Along with the love faith and trust i have in my heavenly Father anything is possible Is this crazy thinking??
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