This Corona virus pandemic could be the weapon that takes our liberties away , all in the name of saving lives?

[iamsoandso]

I have barely even read the contents of this chat only because I simply want to respond to the original question as is and share what is on my heart relating to this issue. My opinion will probably be the least popular one and people may dislike me for it, but I am saying it in hopes that people will understand what is truly at the heart of our current situation, COVID-19.

I understand why people are worried during this crazy time. I get why people are nervous and anxious about how this situation will play out. I can see why and how many Americans, particularly Christians, are concerned about the handling of this issue and whether or not it is being approached in a Godly manner. We are called to test all deeds (Ephesians 5:11), be aware of the times (Matt. 25:13), and question all that comes our way (1 John 4:11).

HOWEVER, as Jesus-loving, God-fearing, Bible-reading individuals, we are equally called to live lives of sacrifice (Ephesians 5:1-2) that IMBUE of salt and light (Matthew 5:13-16)...not when it is easy, but when it is hard (aka times like today, Coronavirus). I have been so shocked to see individuals who align themselves with those ideals complain about having to wear a mask for the sake of protecting others, complain about THEIR freedoms being taken away when countless have lost their lives and suffered from the illness, and shake their heads at ideas that only exist to help and resolve the deathly issue at hand. Where has the order and call of Christ to love, care, and aid to others gone? Where is the compassion, people? What happened to the Church? I have spoken to acquaintances of mine who know "Christians" that call this all fake, a scam, a hoax, and complain about doing things that are simply protective measures. I am not saying everyone here holds that view, but if you do, I truly am praying for you. I ask that God will plant within you a heart and spirit of kindness and sympathy. I urge you to go say those things and express YOUR concerns for YOUR freedom to the families who have lost loved ones from this pandemic. Because it is real... for many people. It is real for the nurses/doctors who God has placed on the frontlines to witness the struggles firsthand. It is real for the parents that see their children laying unconscious on a hospital bed, unable to breathe on their own. It is real for young children who lose parents or grandparents over a disease people are saying is... fake and taking away everyone's freedoms? Wow.

I have read that many Christians are of the belief that a vaccine or something along those lines are what could lead to being the Mark referred to in Revelation ~ I have heard many say that they believe this is the world and government's way of trying to suppress, control, and manipulate us. I have read comments that we all shouldn't fall for this and we should be awake because this is clearly a birth pain. If you truly feel like the Holy Spirit has led you to believe this, fine. But do NOT abandon your duty as a Christ-follower to love, care for, and give back in any way that you can. SHOW COMPASSION, regardless of what the heck you think is going. Christ told us Himself NOBODY knows the time. NOBODY. (Matthew 24:36) So, instead of stressing over whether COVID-19 is such a burden on your life and freedom, live how Jesus lived. Live how He told you to. Reach out to people. Build relationships. Volunteer. Do something in the meantime to build people up and show them CHRIST.

Be prepared, keep your eyes open, but do not let these theories and ideas get in the way of how we are supposed to live according to Scripture and God's instruction. 1 Thessalonians 5, verse 21, tells us to test everything, but also hold fast to what is good. Goodness is Christ, the One who showed us what it means to live for others in love.

Make those sacrifices, even if it means going a while without getting highlights in your hair, eating out less, or obeying what your Governor asks and tells you to do for the sake of keeping people safe. Even if it is a tactic of control, at least you can say you did your part in a Godly manner with the wellbeing of others on your heart and mind. You can do those things and make those sacrifices without being led by the wolves. Wear a mask, for goodness sake. Social distance. DO YOUR PART TO PROTECT PEOPLE AND YOURSELF, without complaining and grumbling about why it is you're doing it. Do it for the Lord and out of respect for other people. It isn't about anyone trying to tell you what to do, it is just about trying to keep people safe. Make the effort to care for people, even if you don't know them, and love others during this time of true division. We shouldn't be adding to it; we should be trying to heal it.

There is a balance between living blindly (which many will probably say I'm doing & I absolutely am not) and continuing to act as Christ-like as you can (through prayer) while also seeing it all with an open heart and mind (that aligns with Scripture).

Please everyone ~ do your part to be the light of this world because it is SO DARK right now. The world needs us.

God bless and I hope ALL of you stay safe and healthy.

lol, I'm not being forced to watch for snakes outside,wear shoes so I don't step on something,look both ways at the stop signs. Nobody's forcing me to eat right or take a shower. And the governments not making me wear a mask to keep me from catching c-19,the flu or a cold nor social distance and wash my hands, It just makes good sense so I'm making myself.

 

[iamsoandso]

I admit it does have element of intentional cognitive manipulation involved in it. Today on the news they said several things one was about the schools. They showed one saying that if the schools don't open then they would loose their funding(force you). They found five random(they said) Pediatricians who all said that children don't spread this very well and that if they took measures then they saw no problem with school opening again. I thought wow who are these five pediatricians they have to be among the ones who they spoke of being rushed out of medical school to help with c-19.

Now everyone in the US knows that when school begins and the kids all return that the seasonal flu,strep throat ect,ect is going to bloom and that that's the very reason they are to keep their shots up to date. Every parent that sends their baby's off to school on the first day of preschool teaches their children,,"when you drink out of the water fountain don't touch it,when you go to the restroom find the cleanest one don't touch it if you can and when you finish wash your hands with soap ect.ect...

That's because everyone and anyone knows full well that school just started and so the kids are going to go to school,get sick,bring it home, give it to the toddlers to take to the daycare, then pass it to mom and dad who take it to work, who then take the baby's to the pediatricians(except the five lairs they must be new at this) the same way as every year.

But your correct just like using child psychology they are forcing you to do what they want. They want you to do demand that everyone return to normal. They want you to refuse to wear mask. They want you to put your kids back in daycare and school. They want you to return to paying taxes and get off unemployment and return right back to doing what they always forced you to do.

So obey them and protest mask it's the new normal everyone's doing it just like the media said everyone's doing nowadays. Protest and make them open the bars because your husbands and wives wont let you bring home the one whose there during a shut down. Demand that they open the nonessential businesses and learn to live with covid-19 just like their telling you to do,,, submission is the first sign of obedience to force. You are so carried away in defiance that you cannot see that they are forcing you because they have you rebelling against it. They want you to return to work and school and the daycare there's too many people on the planet and it's the big purge and your carried away by force in their devices. You obey exactly what they forced you to say,,,"I will not obey".

 

[maryjohanna]

lol, I'm not being forced to watch for snakes outside,wear shoes so I don't step on something,look both ways at the stop signs. Nobody's forcing me to eat right or take a shower. And the governments not making me wear a mask to keep me from catching c-19,the flu or a cold nor social distance and wash my hands, It just makes good sense so I'm making myself.

I am not obeying the government, falling for a trap or falling for a scheme. Just because your state or the federal gov. is advising you to take protective measures does not mean they are trying to control you, lol. It is them fulfilling their duty to protect citizens, protect the people ~ and NOBODY should have an issue with doing that. NOBDOY. If you complain about having to take any kind of protective measures because "the government is telling you to," there is clearly an issue of pride going on. Doing things to protect people should just be done. There shouldn't be a complaint about people forcing you to. No one's trying to take your rights away. They are just trying to get this done so we can all move on. There is a reason why we are the leading country in the world in cases and deaths. Do we want to continue down that path? Because I don't. If people would just do their part, and stop making it about themselves and their freedoms, things would probably get done faster and improve quicker.

I am wearing a mask, socially distancing and doing what I can for the sake of other people and THEIR wellbeing/health. Do I want to be suppressed and controlled by the government? No, I don't. Quite frankly, I don't think anybody does. But do I think being instructed to take certain actions in the midst of a GLOBAL PANDEMIC is control? LOL, NO. I do not think wearing a mask, socially distancing, delaying schools, etc. is restricting anybody's rights ~ they are just measures to be taken to ensure that people stay SAFE. I don't care what people said about spreading or whatever, if I had a child, I just wouldn't want them getting sick. And I would want to do what I could to make sure my kid was safe and other kids were safe. People cannot be foolish about this. I know we are not to think with a worldly cap, but we also cannot be foolish. We need to think practically about this, because it is a very real situation.

I live in Maryland and my Governor, Larry Hogan, has said he is not rushing to open schools because his priority is making sure EVERYONE IS SAFE, especially young people. He just wants to protect as many people as he can. Nothing more. If everything's good to go, great. If it is not, he will do what he can to make sure nobody gets ill.

I am not saying our government is the most perfect system in the world (and I do think we need to be careful about it), but when there is a global pandemic going on that is paralyzing countless people and families, I would like to think that said government is going to advise you to take certain measures to PROTECT PEOPLE, including yourself. There needs to be SOME form of work done to tackle the disease. What is wrong with that?

This has 0 to do with people's rights. 0 to do with what people want. It is about OTHER people and making sure we are all doing our part to stay safe and healthy, so we can move on and get back to normal. This has nothing to do with anyone forcing anybody to do anything ~ the reason it has gotten to a more serious level is because of 2 things (state & federal gov.):
1) they have a responsibility as the head of our nation to protect citizens and do what they can to ensure people are as safe as possible and
2) they know if they didn't enforce the precautions, people would walk around, carelessly (like many people are today) not wearing masks, not socially distancing, not doing what they can to prevent spreading, and essentially make the whole situation worse. Which yes, not doing these "horrible" things people are complaining about, makes it worse. There is a reason why everything has become more relaxed and we are now seeing numbers go UP. There is no denying that.
If there is any chance of COVID-19 being maintained and stopped, they need to take the necessary steps and measures to accomplish everything. It isn't about control. It is about protection. This all leads to the point I made in my last post: If you are a follower of Christ, who desires to live a life of true compassion and giving, as we are called to do, you will not have a single issue or complaint with wearing a mask, socially distancing, and doing what you can to make sure other people are healthy.

 

[maryjohanna]

Also, I am a recent college grad who has participated in newspaper, print production for the last 7 years of my life (since high school) ~ I am not an expert but I have the experience and have participated in the field for a long time. I am just letting everyone know, from the perspective of someone who knows what it is like and what it means to be a part of the "press," be careful about what you watch and what you hear. TEST. That may sound surprising, but it is true. We, unfortunately, live in a very divided country where all people care about is inserting THEIR opinions. We need facts. We need truth. We need accuracy. Do not settle for any less, people.

I rarely watch the news (FOX, NBC, MSNBC, etc.), because I think it is negative and just plays into agendas from a side. If I do, you'll find me watching CSPAN or PBS... I am 21, lol. People can watch what they want, but as an aspiring journalist, I am so disappointed in the way the media and news have handled things. I have stepped away from it, and do my own research and fact checking. DO THE SAME.

I am not saying isolate yourself because (obviously) I am a huge believer in staying informed. I believe and support the freedom of the press, but in today's world, I urge everyone to stay away from the biased channels and sites. It will only set fire to the flame. Please, please look into information and find out what is real for yourself.

 

[Absolutely]

 

[iamsoandso]

Also, I am a recent college grad who has participated in newspaper, print production for the last 7 years of my life (since high school) ~ I am not an expert but I have the experience and have participated in the field for a long time. I am just letting everyone know, from the perspective of someone who knows what it is like and what it means to be a part of the "press," be careful about what you watch and what you hear. TEST. That may sound surprising, but it is true. We, unfortunately, live in a very divided country where all people care about is inserting THEIR opinions. We need facts. We need truth. We need accuracy. Do not settle for any less, people.

I rarely watch the news (FOX, NBC, MSNBC, etc.), because I think it is negative and just plays into agendas from a side. If I do, you'll find me watching CSPAN or PBS... I am 21, lol. People can watch what they want, but as an aspiring journalist, I am so disappointed in the way the media and news have handled things. I have stepped away from it, and do my own research and fact checking. DO THE SAME.

I am not saying isolate yourself because (obviously) I am a huge believer in staying informed. I believe and support the freedom of the press, but in today's world, I urge everyone to stay away from the biased channels and sites. It will only set fire to the flame. Please, please look into information and find out what is real for yourself.

Indeed we were taught in school that the first paragraph is a type of outline of the rest of the essay and then the next portion of it is a breakdown, in support(more in-depth) of the things outlined in the first paragraph. In the media I note this is compromised with a twist of cognitive suggestion intended to stimulate the unaware. lol, It wreaks havoc on the most devoted speed reader and the unlearned.

 

[iamsoandso]

I am not obeying the government, falling for a trap or falling for a scheme. Just because your state or the federal gov. is advising you to take protective measures does not mean they are trying to control you, lol. It is them fulfilling their duty to protect citizens, protect the people ~ and NOBODY should have an issue with doing that. NOBDOY. If you complain about having to take any kind of protective measures because "the government is telling you to," there is clearly an issue of pride going on. Doing things to protect people should just be done. There shouldn't be a complaint about people forcing you to. No one's trying to take your rights away. They are just trying to get this done so we can all move on. There is a reason why we are the leading country in the world in cases and deaths. Do we want to continue down that path? Because I don't. If people would just do their part, and stop making it about themselves and their freedoms, things would probably get done faster and improve quicker.

I am wearing a mask, socially distancing and doing what I can for the sake of other people and THEIR wellbeing/health. Do I want to be suppressed and controlled by the government? No, I don't. Quite frankly, I don't think anybody does. But do I think being instructed to take certain actions in the midst of a GLOBAL PANDEMIC is control? LOL, NO. I do not think wearing a mask, socially distancing, delaying schools, etc. is restricting anybody's rights ~ they are just measures to be taken to ensure that people stay SAFE. I don't care what people said about spreading or whatever, if I had a child, I just wouldn't want them getting sick. And I would want to do what I could to make sure my kid was safe and other kids were safe. People cannot be foolish about this. I know we are not to think with a worldly cap, but we also cannot be foolish. We need to think practically about this, because it is a very real situation.

I live in Maryland and my Governor, Larry Hogan, has said he is not rushing to open schools because his priority is making sure EVERYONE IS SAFE, especially young people. He just wants to protect as many people as he can. Nothing more. If everything's good to go, great. If it is not, he will do what he can to make sure nobody gets ill.

I am not saying our government is the most perfect system in the world (and I do think we need to be careful about it), but when there is a global pandemic going on that is paralyzing countless people and families, I would like to think that said government is going to advise you to take certain measures to PROTECT PEOPLE, including yourself. There needs to be SOME form of work done to tackle the disease. What is wrong with that?

This has 0 to do with people's rights. 0 to do with what people want. It is about OTHER people and making sure we are all doing our part to stay safe and healthy, so we can move on and get back to normal. This has nothing to do with anyone forcing anybody to do anything ~ the reason it has gotten to a more serious level is because of 2 things (state & federal gov.):
1) they have a responsibility as the head of our nation to protect citizens and do what they can to ensure people are as safe as possible and
2) they know if they didn't enforce the precautions, people would walk around, carelessly (like many people are today) not wearing masks, not socially distancing, not doing what they can to prevent spreading, and essentially make the whole situation worse. Which yes, not doing these "horrible" things people are complaining about, makes it worse. There is a reason why everything has become more relaxed and we are now seeing numbers go UP. There is no denying that.
If there is any chance of COVID-19 being maintained and stopped, they need to take the necessary steps and measures to accomplish everything. It isn't about control. It is about protection. This all leads to the point I made in my last post: If you are a follower of Christ, who desires to live a life of true compassion and giving, as we are called to do, you will not have a single issue or complaint with wearing a mask, socially distancing, and doing what you can to make sure other people are healthy.

Yep, self protection is a simple thing we teach to kinder gardeners. I'm appalled that so many adults cannot wrap their selves around the concept of the things we teach preschoolers when trying to keep them clean from infections. I am of the mind that they are caried away in being dominated without their understanding of it.

 

[iamsoandso]

Half life? like in physics? how long until we resolve it's final isotope? What?

 

[StrugglingTilMyReward]

Yes indeed it is fortunate that many who catch it recover from it. What it does according to the autopsies is that it does a certain amount of damage to the internal organs of who caught it, and so each time a person catches it the more likely they are of not surviving it. The younger ones are catching it now and dying do you think that they had caught it before and had damaged organs from when they were asymptomatic ?

The problem here is that you're comparing the results of people who caught Covid and got so sick they died, and thinking that someone who doesn't get sick is having the same type of viral activity....attacking organs and tissue.

I have yet to see a study on any healthy person who got Covid showing they had any damage to organs or anything.....I believe it's simply the media doing what they do best, sensationalizing and scaring people.....if I am wrong and there has been an asymptomatic case where the person had issues after shedding the virus I would love to see it, not the autopsy results of someone who was old with health problems.

 

[iamsoandso]

The problem here is that you're comparing the results of people who caught Covid and got so sick they died, and thinking that someone who doesn't get sick is having the same type of viral activity....attacking organs and tissue.

I have yet to see a study on any healthy person who got Covid showing they had any damage to organs or anything.....I believe it's simply the media doing what they do best, sensationalizing and scaring people.....if I am wrong and there has been an asymptomatic case where the person had issues after shedding the virus I would love to see it, not the autopsy results of someone who was old with health problems.

lol, so you want them to do an autopsy on an asymptomatic patient who is still alive?

 

[StrugglingTilMyReward]

lol, so you want them to do an autopsy on an asymptomatic patient who is still alive?

Not an autopsy obviosuly, but tissue sampling can be done on people who are alive.....maybe it's already been done and didn't show anything.

 

[Lanolin]

well obviously in america they dont have a broadcasting standards authority or press council or any such so, anyone can say any ol' thing. that is if you only watch tv soundbites and dont READ.

 

[Lanolin]

The problem here is that you're comparing the results of people who caught Covid and got so sick they died, and thinking that someone who doesn't get sick is having the same type of viral activity....attacking organs and tissue.

I have yet to see a study on any healthy person who got Covid showing they had any damage to organs or anything.....I believe it's simply the media doing what they do best, sensationalizing and scaring people.....if I am wrong and there has been an asymptomatic case where the person had issues after shedding the virus I would love to see it, not the autopsy results of someone who was old with health problems.

wouldnt they just have antibodies which is why tissues ARE being sampled for a vaccine?

come on people. Do your research and look up some labs and hospitals or something. dont be dumb!

 

[iamsoandso]

Not an autopsy obviosuly, but tissue sampling can be done on people who are alive.....maybe it's already been done and didn't show anything.

Just search the www for what your asking but look at the sources(shy away from conspiracy sites)
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hea...s/coronavirus-kidney-damage-caused-by-covid19

 

[Absolutely]

Look,its all relative.
Strong immune system vs moderate or low.

Enter flu or covid,or some disease/infection/bacteria.

Covid being nasty,is getting more fear factoring.

If I enter a no brainer...vit
Look,its all relative.
Strong immune system vs moderate or low.

Enter flu or covid,or some disease/infection/bacteria.

Covid being nasty,is getting more fear factoring.

If I enter a no brainer...vit d ,zinc,grapefruit seed extract,colloidal silver,echinacea, goldenseal,thieves,eating raw.

What can penetrate that????

But pple go the hospital,doctor,ventilator route.
And those very people are being sold fear and it is in demand.

So very rediculous.

Get zinc,d,silver and the others.

Kill it and go on.

No brainer.

...and hydroxycloroquine.

What a no brainer. No need at all for a shutdown

 

[Absolutely]

Half life? like in physics? how long until we resolve it's final isotope? What?

There is current flu shots.

They are a shot in the dark...a guess

That is all they can do for covid also.

The duping of america.

Big time

 

[Absolutely]

 

[iamsoandso]

There is current flu shots.

They are a shot in the dark...a guess

That is all they can do for covid also.

The duping of america.

Big time

Yes they don't know enough about c-19 to give you any guarantees so it would be wise to protect your own self and try to never catch it.

 

[maryjohanna]

It wreaks havoc on the most devoted speed reader and the unlearned.

I completely agree with that!! It is very scary. As a studier of media, we are really told to focus on our audience and think about what it is that people need to hear, based on culture, sociopolitical matters, etc. I definitely think the media is aware of the fact that we live in a divisive time where vulnerability is very high. People latch onto whatever/whoever agrees and almost boasts their view. You're completely right.

I'm appalled that so many adults cannot wrap their selves around the concept of the things we teach preschoolers when trying to keep them clean from infections.

Agree, again! It boggles my mind, it truly does. I love living in America, but I think this whole matter has really shown and brought out the arrogance and selfishness that most citizens carry. I am shocked at how many people prioritize their freedoms/rights (which aren't even really jeopardizing anything ~ who cares if you can't dine out for a while or go into a store w/out a mask? what is the big deal in lacking those things for some time?) over compassion for others' health.

 

[maryjohanna]

I don't even get why all of this is being discussed in this much detail. Research, no research. Antibodies, no antibodies. Pre-existing conditions, no pre-existing conditions. It doesn't matter. COVID is present and is doing damage to people of all ages, young and old. Regardless of what it shows, there is a chance you, your kids, your parents, your nieces, your nephews, your spouses will get it. And the outcome may not be great. So just do your part to prevent it and avoid that situation for yourself and other people.

I am not denying fact-checking and looking into the stats/research yourself ~ I am just saying that it shouldn't matter what it says, because regardless it exists everywhere. And people need to be cautious, no matter what the websites say.

I know the media is crazy, but for those of you saying this is hysteria and being played up, MY GOSH. Go say that to children who have lost parents or grandparents over this disease. Go say that to nurses who have watched people die on their shift time. Go tell that to the family of the young lady who committed suicide because the overwhelming number of it all stressed her out too much. I am amazed when people think the numbers are fake and not real. Do you think this is a joke? Lives are serious.

THIS ISNT FAKE. THIS ISNT HYPE. IT IS REAL. Take it seriously.