THIRD TEMPLE NEWS

[PlainWord]

If you were to do a little research on the word "temple" you will find that the word "temple" is actually speaking of a real building/temple. Strongs and Thayer's Greek English Lexicon #G3485.
There is only one "man of sin" spoken of in all of the bible so maybe you can provide me with scripture that proves that the man of sin is not the antichrist. The Greek translation of the words "man of sin" is "lawless one" and there is only one "lawless one" mentioned in the Word of God.
Sorry if you want to go beyond the research tools I use but I never do commentaries because they are nothing more then another mans opinion. Besides I think your a Preterist and that doctrinal belief is full of holes, garbage and a waste of my time to have a conversation about. But I will say this much. According to Josephus there were about 600,000 Jews in Jerusalem during the Roman siege, but there were more then 6,000,000 Jewish people slaughtered during WW2 so the idea that the time of Jacobs Trouble was fulfilled in 70 A.D. has been proven to pale in comparison to the suffering of the Jewish people during WW2.
Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Matthew 24:15 and 24 prove that the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans was not the time of Jacobs Trouble because in verse 21 it says there "will be great tribulation such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time no nor ever shall be" Since the Jewish people suffered far greater tribulation and loss of human life during WW2 then they did during 70AD this proves that the antichrist has not yet come and the time of great tribulation/time of Jacobs Trouble has not yet happened because the destruction spoken of in Mat 24 is far worse then what has historically happened to the Jewish people to this day and time.

If you were to do a little research on the word "temple" you will find that the word "temple" is actually speaking of a real building/temple. Strongs and Thayer's Greek English Lexicon #G3485.

Where did I say the temple that the MoS sat in wasn't the real temple? The temple is the physical temple unless it refers to the body of us believers.

There is only one "man of sin" spoken of in all of the bible so maybe you can provide me with scripture that proves that the man of sin is not the antichrist. The Greek translation of the words "man of sin" is "lawless one" and there is only one "lawless one" mentioned in the Word of God.

You want me to prove a negative??? As I pointed out previously, John taught that there were multiple antichrists so which one was the MoS? Yes, One Man of Sin but at least two Sons of Perdition, Judas being the other (John 17:12). As for being lawless, who was responsible for permanently ending the Law (besides Christ)? In other words, who made it impossible for the Jews to continue practicing the Temple Law? Someone in our future? I don't think so. Would not the one who took away the temple be "lawless" without Law?

because they are nothing more then another mans opinion. Besides I think your a Preterist and that doctrinal belief is full of holes, garbage and a waste of my time to have a conversation about.

I feel the same way about your views, whatever they are. One thing is for sure, whatever you are waiting for ain't going to happen, not in your lifetime, not in a hundred generations. Its been 1,950 years and if we listen to the futurists, He hasn't returned and they still think He is coming soon. At what point will you guys realize the folly of your views, in another 2,000 years? Its been 190 years since Darby came up with this garbage, full of holes, futurist nonsense. At least 200 false predictions and we are all still here.

According to Josephus there were about 600,000 Jews in Jerusalem during the Roman siege, but there were more then 6,000,000 Jewish people slaughtered during WW2 so the idea that the time of Jacobs Trouble was fulfilled in 70 A.D. has been proven to pale in comparison to the suffering of the Jewish people during WW2.

Again, it isn't about body count, it is about intense suffering. Could the Jews who died in WWII have escaped by fleeing over the mountains of Judea? Jesus said, "When you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies (its time to flee)." He did NOT say, "When you see Warsaw, Paris or other European cities surrounded by Nazis" did He? Pay attention to the whole text!! And no, Josephus said there were 1.2 million Jews stuck in the city and half of them died during the final siege, 1.1 million in all, a 93% mortality rate. WWII was 40%, so not even close.

Matthew 24:15 and 24 prove that the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans was not the time of Jacobs Trouble because in verse 21 it says there "will be great tribulation such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time no nor ever shall be" Since the Jewish people suffered far greater tribulation and loss of human life during WW2 then they did during 70AD this proves that the antichrist has not yet come and the time of great tribulation/time of Jacobs Trouble has not yet happened because the destruction spoken of in Mat 24 is far worse then what has historically happened to the Jewish people to this day and time.

Again, you futurists love to cherry pick, while ignoring the context of the whole passage. Maybe read Luke's account and see if you can figure out where and when this great tribulation was to take place.

20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. 24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Was it to happen in Europe or Judea? Most futurists don't even know why God would bring about their great tribulation. Was God angry at the Jews of the 1930s or was He more angry at those who killed His Son and His disciples? If you can't figure out this basic question, I can't help you.

 

[PlainWord]

None taken but you are only focusing on Jews in the siege instead of Revelation 6&7 and the peoples,nations,tongues,tribes ect. "when do all those Christian gentiles go through the GT?".

They already did but where does it say they were Gentiles? I believe they were mostly Jews of the diaspora having returned to Jerusalem as we see here.

Acts 2: 5 And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven. 6 And when this sound occurred, the multitude came together, and were confused, because everyone heard them speak in his own language. 7 Then they were all amazed and marveled, saying to one another, “Look, are not all these who speak Galileans? 8 And how is it that we hear, each in our own language in which we were born? 9 Parthians and Medes and Elamites, those dwelling in Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya adjoining Cyrene, visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretans and Arabs—we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God.”

They came from all over the Roman Empire to Jerusalem, in this instance for Shavuot. it is one of the three major festivals often called “pilgrim” festivals because all Jewish males were required to observe them at the Holy Temple in Jerusalem. Just prior to the Jewish War, they still came and were trapped in the city. The tyrants wouldn't let them leave nor would the Romans once they laid siege.

Rev 7: 9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb...13 Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?” 14 And I said to him, “Sir, you know.” So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them. 16 They shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat...

The same description appears in both passages. Many of them died of starvation. The text tells us plainly that they came out of the great tribulation. Thus, they were converted during their sufferings likely realizing too late that Jesus was the Messiah and they missed the flight of the Christian Jews.

 

[massorite]

You know, I just had a thought. God allows them to co



BUT THEY ARE MORTAL JEWISH BELIEVERS, that are SEALED, Chosen to repopulate ISRAEL, during the Millennial Kingdom. WHY? Because the Population of Israel will be 0 by the time CHRIST gets Finished with WARRING AGAINST THE NATIONS, while the survivors went into exile.

Revelation 19:21 (NIV)
21 The rest of them were killed with the sword that came out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.

Sorry can't go there. Verse 21 is talking about those who worshipped the image of the beast spoken of in verse 20 and the verse doesn't say that those who worshipped the image of the beast were Jewish people only. The scriptures are talking about those who worshipped the image around the world both Jewish and gentile. There is no proof written in scripture that say every living Jewish person in the world will be killed and there is no proof that the job of the 144,000 will be to repopulate Isreal and besides if every Jewish person in the world were to be killed there wouldn't be any Jewish women left to copulate with. Verse 21 is talking about Gog of Magog after the battle of Armeggedon.
Eze 39:4 Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that is with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured.
Eze 39:5 Thou shalt fall upon the open field: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.
Eze 39:6 And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I am the LORD.
Eze 39:7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.
Eze 39:8 Behold, it is come, and it is done, saith the Lord GOD; this is the day whereof I have spoken.
Eze 39:9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:
Eze 39:10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord GOD.
Eze 39:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog.
Eze 39:12 And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land.
Eze 39:13 Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD.
Isreal is never going to be destroyed again. Not before the 1000 years or after.

 

[KJV1611]

Do you study from the Companion Bible of 1611?
I never make a statement without first doing the research on the subject and when I say research I am talking about picking apart each word of any verse in the Word of God. So with that in mind here is why I believe that the man of sin will be that antichrist.
The man of sin (Greek: ὁ ἄνθρωπος τῆς ἁμαρτίας, ho anthrōpos tēs hamartias; or ἀνομίας, anomias, translated “lawlessness”) is a figure referred to in the Christian Bible in the Second Epistle to the Thessalonians. He is usually equated with the Antichrist in Christian eschatology.
The antichrist is also refered to as The Beast, The Little Horn, Anti-Christ, The Man of Sin, and The Son of Destruction. The antichrist will be satan incarnate just as God was Christ incarnate.

I read the KJV, not sure what a companion bible is. Is the bolded part or your post the companion part?

 

[PlainWord]

You know, I just had a thought. God allows them to co



BUT THEY ARE MORTAL JEWISH BELIEVERS, that are SEALED, Chosen to repopulate ISRAEL, during the Millennial Kingdom. WHY? Because the Population of Israel will be 0 by the time CHRIST gets Finished with WARRING AGAINST THE NATIONS, while the survivors went into exile.

Revelation 19:21 (NIV)
21 The rest of them were killed with the sword that came out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.

What was the population of Israel at the end of 70 AD??? Hmmm.

 

[iamsoandso]

They already did but where does it say they were Gentiles? I believe they were mostly Jews of the diaspora having returned to Jerusalem as we see here.

Acts 2: 5 And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven. 6 And when this sound occurred, the multitude came together, and were confused, because everyone heard them speak in his own language. 7 Then they were all amazed and marveled, saying to one another, “Look, are not all these who speak Galileans? 8 And how is it that we hear, each in our own language in which we were born? 9 Parthians and Medes and Elamites, those dwelling in Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya adjoining Cyrene, visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretans and Arabs—we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God.”

They came from all over the Roman Empire to Jerusalem, in this instance for Shavuot. it is one of the three major festivals often called “pilgrim” festivals because all Jewish males were required to observe them at the Holy Temple in Jerusalem. Just prior to the Jewish War, they still came and were trapped in the city. The tyrants wouldn't let them leave nor would the Romans once they laid siege.

Rev 7: 9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb...13 Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?” 14 And I said to him, “Sir, you know.” So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them. 16 They shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat...

The same description appears in both passages. Many of them died of starvation. The text tells us plainly that they came out of the great tribulation. Thus, they were converted during their sufferings likely realizing too late that Jesus was the Messiah and they missed the flight of the Christian Jews.

So you think that they were slain after they confessed Jesus as Lord by Jesus at his coming? Do you think that the four angels did begin to hurt https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/7-3.htm before these were sealed(disobeyed God)? I don't understand how you can say that the ones who worshiped the image and are slain at the Lords coming are the ones who convert to Christ and are killed by Christ at his coming.

There is a group in Revelation 6:9 https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/6.htm (who are slain before the GT) who are slain because of their word/testimony of Christ. They are told to wait until their fellow servants,brothers because they are (being about to be killed) so this is before the GT.

Then in Revelation 7 https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/7.htm the angels are told not to hurt until after they are sealed. Then you say these are Jews (not gentiles) who are the multitude that cannot be numbered who convert to Christianity during the siege but are still killed by Christ.

If the ones who have the mark and worship the image are who are in the siege(in the walls of Jerusalem/ad70) but they convert to Christ and he still slays them, then who is left that are killed because they worshiped the image,took the mark ect.? If the Jews who revolted/rebelled against Rome/Caesar rebelled.revolted at all then they did not worship Rome or Caesar. The mere fact that they rebelled should support that. And then in the end those who died at the Lords coming are newly converted Christians and the Jews who escaped and Rome win and live on as victors?

 

[iamsoandso]

What was the population of Israel at the end of 70 AD??? Hmmm.

Some of them survive. This one sneaks out in a coffin and establishes Rabbinic Judaism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yohanan_ben_Zakkai and he does not do it by his self but a school filled with them. Then those Jews and that beast continue on into history(after ad70), instead of being cast into the lake of fire like in Revelation 19:21.

 

[VCO]

Sorry can't go there. Verse 21 is talking about those who worshipped the image of the beast spoken of in verse 20 and the verse doesn't say that those who worshipped the image of the beast were Jewish people only. The scriptures are talking about those who worshipped the image around the world both Jewish and gentile. There is no proof written in scripture that say every living Jewish person in the world will be killed and there is no proof that the job of the 144,000 will be to repopulate Isreal and besides if every Jewish person in the world were to be killed there wouldn't be any Jewish women left to copulate with. Verse 21 is talking about Gog of Magog after the battle of Armeggedon.
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Isreal is never going to be destroyed again. Not before the 1000 years or after.

Let's deal with the last statement first. ARMAGEDDON happens JUST BEFORE CHRIST's Second Coming! That kills a significant number of Combatants and Civilians, and it LITERALLY is WWIII, and I think it will go full scale Nuclear. THEN CHRIST will finish off the REST in ISRAEL, it says so. Christ sends the 144,000 out east JERUSALEM to JORDAN, through the split in Mount of Olives.

Zechariah 14:4-5 (HCSB)
4 On that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east. The Mount of Olives will be split in half from east to west, forming a huge valley, so that half the mountain will move to the north and half to the south.
5 You will flee by My mountain valley, for the valley of the mountains will extend to Azal. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come and all the holy ones with Him.

WIKEPEDIA:
Azal (אצל), or Azel, is a location mentioned in the Book of Zechariah 14:5, in Bibles that use the Hebrew Masoretic Text as the source for this verse. In Bibles that follow the Greek Septuagint (LXX) rendering, depending upon the source manuscript used, Azal is transcribed Jasol (ιασολ, pronounced "Yasol"), Jasod (a corruption of Jasol), or Asael (ασαηλ):

And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah.
— Zechariah 14:5 King James Version​

The valley between the hills will be filled in, yes, it will be blocked as far as Jasol, it will be filled in as it was by the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah,
— "Zechariah 14:5". New Jerusalem Bible. Retrieved March 13, 2016. End Quote.​

So it seems Azal is an unknown location probably a BOX CANYON in the Mountain of Jordan, protecting them from a Nuclear Blast. Probably somewhere along the route to Mt. Nebo.

So lets look how REVELATION 7:4

Revelation 7:4 (HCSB)
4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 sealed from every tribe of the Israelites:

Revelation 7:4 (KJV)
4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Revelation 7:4 (ASV)
4 And I heard the number of them that were sealed, a hundred and forty and four thousand, sealed out of every tribe of the children of Israel:

Revelation 7:4 (NKJV)
4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed:

Revelation 7:4 (NRSV)
4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred forty-four thousand, sealed out of every tribe of the people of Israel:

Revelation 7:4 (NIV)
4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.

Revelation 7:4 (NCV)
4 Then I heard how many people were marked with the sign. There were one hundred forty-four thousand from every tribe of the people of Israel.

Revelation 7:4 (GWT)
4 I heard how many were sealed: 144,000. Those who were sealed were from every tribe of the people of Israel:

Revelation 7:4 (BBE)
4 And there came to my ears the number of those who had the mark on their brows, a hundred and forty-four thousand, who were marked out of every tribe of the people of Israel.

Revelation 7:4 (NJB)
4 And I heard how many had been sealed: a hundred and forty-four thousand, out of all the tribes of Israel.

Revelation 7:4 (MaceNT)
4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred forty and four thousand, of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Revelation 7:4 (NET)
4 Now I heard the number of those who were marked with a seal, one hundred forty-four thousand, sealed from all the tribes of the people of Israel:


That should be enough. NOTICE: Not one of those Versions used the WORD SONS of Israel. So are we left with a conclusion that all three of the Versions made the Same mistake in Translation, NASB, ESV, & YLT ? ? ?

OR

THIS IS ISRAEL, and THEY DO NOT COUNT THE POPULATION, the same way we do in ENGLISH. In fact they had THREE different NUMBERING SYSTEM when it come to a Head Count.

1. PATRIARCHS = MEN ONLY

2. ADULTS ONLY = BOTH MEN AND WOMAN WERE COUNTED.

3. ADULTS & CHILDREN = The TOTAL of every Family.


So If they USED the Patriarch numbering system, ALL BIBLES ARE CORRECT WITHOUT ERROR on that verse.

With God wanting to REPOPULATE ISRAEL with Mortals during the Millennial KINGDOM, I imagine he will choose young MARRIED couples with no CHILDREN YET. So the angels would have Marked 288,000, and Counted ONLY 144,000.

Revelation 7:3 (HCSB)
3 “Don’t harm the earth or the sea or the trees until we seal the slaves {288,000} of our God on their foreheads.”

 

[PlainWord]

IAMSOANDSO,

Let's go through this step-by-step:

So you think that they were slain after they confessed Jesus as Lord by Jesus at his coming? Do you think that the four angels did begin to hurt https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/7-3.htm before these were sealed(disobeyed God)? I don't understand how you can say that the ones who worshiped the image and are slain at the Lords coming are the ones who convert to Christ and are killed by Christ at his coming.

The great multitude were those in Jerusalem during the siege who confessed Jesus as their Lord before they died of various means, starvation, chief among them. They died BEFORE His coming. Christ makes clear that He is present AFTER the great tribulation (siege) is over. The 144K servants of God were sealed BEFORE the Jews revolted in 66 AD. They are in contrast to the Jewish religious order which are killed after the temple fell. It was the Jewish religious order which took the mark of the beast and swore allegiance to Rome.

There is a group in Revelation 6:9 https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/6.htm (who are slain before the GT) who are slain because of their word/testimony of Christ. They are told to wait until their fellow servants,brothers because they are (being about to be killed) so this is before the GT.

These are the early martyrs from the time of Christ until His 70 AD return. I think the timing of this aligns best with Nero's massacre of Christians from 64 to 68 AD. But let's not forget the Christians in Jerusalem gathered in huge numbers together on Mt Zion for protection from the Jews at the temple. They were still being picked off right up until their flight to Pella. So, there were plenty of martyrs looking for revenge against those Jews and Romans. Keep in mind, although Rome won the war, they lost a great number of people during that war and during their own civil war in 69 AD.

Then in Revelation 7 https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/7.htm the angels are told not to hurt until after they are sealed. Then you say these are Jews (not gentiles) who are the multitude that cannot be numbered who convert to Christianity during the siege but are still killed by Christ.

We covered this already. “Do not harm the earth (Israel), the sea (Rome), or the trees (Jewish religious leaders) till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.” The 144K Jews I believe was the Church at Jerusalem. They fled to Pella to safety.

If the ones who have the mark and worship the image are who are in the siege(in the walls of Jerusalem/ad70) but they convert to Christ and he still slays them, then who is left that are killed because they worshiped the image,took the mark ect.? If the Jews who revolted/rebelled against Rome/Caesar rebelled.revolted at all then they did not worship Rome or Caesar. The mere fact that they rebelled should support that. And then in the end those who died at the Lords coming are newly converted Christians and the Jews who escaped and Rome win and live on as victors?

Again, the Jewish religious leaders took the mark and they were in Jerusalem. They are the ones Jesus rebuked and promised hell to in Mat 23. They are all killed shortly after the temple fell. Yes, Titus ordered all the priests to be killed but Christ directed it, rest assured. Correct, the Zealots were not in alliance with the Romans. They were at war with Rome. The priests were in alliance with Rome and they opposed the war and the zealots. The newly converted Christians came from the 1.1 million killed during the Great Tribulation. We don't know how many of the 1.1 million converted, but apparently it was a lot. God cut those days short otherwise, no flesh would have been left and indeed only 98,000 survived. Another week or two and it could have been zero.

 

[PlainWord]

Some of them survive. This one sneaks out in a coffin and establishes Rabbinic Judaism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yohanan_ben_Zakkai and he does not do it by his self but a school filled with them. Then those Jews and that beast continue on into history(after ad70), instead of being cast into the lake of fire like in Revelation 19:21.

Not talking about the 98,000 who survived. They were taken to Rome or sold into slavery. The population of Jerusalem at the end of 70 AD was virtually zero except for a few Roman troops.

 

[massorite]

Let's deal with the last statement first. ARMAGEDDON happens JUST BEFORE CHRIST's Second Coming! That kills a significant number of Combatants and Civilians, and it LITERALLY is WWIII, and I think it will go full scale Nuclear. THEN CHRIST will finish off the REST in ISRAEL, it says so. Christ sends the 144,000 out east JERUSALEM to JORDAN, through the split in Mount of Olives.

Zechariah 14:4-5 (HCSB)
4 On that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east. The Mount of Olives will be split in half from east to west, forming a huge valley, so that half the mountain will move to the north and half to the south.
5 You will flee by My mountain valley, for the valley of the mountains will extend to Azal. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come and all the holy ones with Him.

WIKEPEDIA:
Azal (אצל), or Azel, is a location mentioned in the Book of Zechariah 14:5, in Bibles that use the Hebrew Masoretic Text as the source for this verse. In Bibles that follow the Greek Septuagint (LXX) rendering, depending upon the source manuscript used, Azal is transcribed Jasol (ιασολ, pronounced "Yasol"), Jasod (a corruption of Jasol), or Asael (ασαηλ):

And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah.​

— Zechariah 14:5 King James Version​

The valley between the hills will be filled in, yes, it will be blocked as far as Jasol, it will be filled in as it was by the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah,​

— "Zechariah 14:5". New Jerusalem Bible. Retrieved March 13, 2016. End Quote.​

So it seems Azal is an unknown location probably a BOX CANYON in the Mountain of Jordan, protecting them from a Nuclear Blast. Probably somewhere along the route to Mt. Nebo.

So lets look how REVELATION 7:4

Revelation 7:4 (HCSB)
4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 sealed from every tribe of the Israelites:

Revelation 7:4 (KJV)
4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Revelation 7:4 (ASV)
4 And I heard the number of them that were sealed, a hundred and forty and four thousand, sealed out of every tribe of the children of Israel:

Revelation 7:4 (NKJV)
4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed:

Revelation 7:4 (NRSV)
4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred forty-four thousand, sealed out of every tribe of the people of Israel:

Revelation 7:4 (NIV)
4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.

Revelation 7:4 (NCV)
4 Then I heard how many people were marked with the sign. There were one hundred forty-four thousand from every tribe of the people of Israel.

Revelation 7:4 (GWT)
4 I heard how many were sealed: 144,000. Those who were sealed were from every tribe of the people of Israel:

Revelation 7:4 (BBE)
4 And there came to my ears the number of those who had the mark on their brows, a hundred and forty-four thousand, who were marked out of every tribe of the people of Israel.

Revelation 7:4 (NJB)
4 And I heard how many had been sealed: a hundred and forty-four thousand, out of all the tribes of Israel.

Revelation 7:4 (MaceNT)
4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred forty and four thousand, of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Revelation 7:4 (NET)
4 Now I heard the number of those who were marked with a seal, one hundred forty-four thousand, sealed from all the tribes of the people of Israel:


That should be enough. NOTICE: Not one of those Versions used the WORD SONS of Israel. So are we left with a conclusion that all three of the Versions made the Same mistake in Translation, NASB, ESV, & YLT ? ? ?

OR

THIS IS ISRAEL, and THEY DO NOT COUNT THE POPULATION, the same way we do in ENGLISH. In fact they had THREE different NUMBERING SYSTEM when it come to a Head Count.

1. PATRIARCHS = MEN ONLY

2. ADULTS ONLY = BOTH MEN AND WOMAN WERE COUNTED.

3. ADULTS & CHILDREN = The TOTAL of every Family.


So If they USED the Patriarch numbering system, ALL BIBLES ARE CORRECT WITHOUT ERROR on that verse.

With God wanting to REPOPULATE ISRAEL with Mortals during the Millennial KINGDOM, I imagine he will choose young MARRIED couples with no CHILDREN YET. So the angels would have Marked 288,000, and Counted ONLY 144,000.

Revelation 7:3 (HCSB)
3 “Don’t harm the earth or the sea or the trees until we seal the slaves {288,000} of our God on their foreheads.”

Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
Mat 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
Sorry but it would be really hard for the spoken words of Christ in verse 39 to be fulfilled if all of the Jews are dead,
Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
Dead Jews would not be able to speak the words "Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord." if they were all dead.
Your beliefs simply do not line up with the spoken words of Christ and there is no proof in the bible that even remotely suggests that God would allow nuclear war to ever break out. There is also no proof that the battle of ARMAGEDDON would be just a small part of any world war 3. Because all of the major players will be focused on Isreal. Russia, China, Europe and all of the descendants of Ishmael will be present and focused on Israel at the battle of ARMAGEDDON.
There is also no scriptural proof that Christ will return after the battle of ARMAGEDDON. There is no such a thing as any kind of seven years of Tribulation or seven years of the Wrath of God written anywhere in scripture and the words "seven years of tribulation or wrath" can not be found in sequence written in scripture, But the number 3 1/2 as in 3 1/2 years is prominent in the book of Daniel and the book of Revelation. Even the prophecy about Christ being cut off in the middle of the week is about the duration of Christ's ministry which was only 3 1/2 years long. There will be 3 1/2 years of great tribulation at which point Christ will return and raise the dead in Christ from the grave. After the resurrection the Wrath of God will fill the earth and that is when the battle of ARMAGEDDON will take place at the end of another period of 3 1/2 years of the punishment of God upon mankind which is why we will be removed from the earth because we are not appointed to suffer the wrath/punishment of God. In the Word of God the word "Tribulation" always means and is talking about "affliction" with no exceptions. Anywhere the words "Wrath of God" are spoken in the bible it always means and is talking about the 'Punishment of God" with no exceptions.

 

[massorite]

I read the KJV, not sure what a companion bible is. Is the bolded part or your post the companion part?

No. The bolded part is from a KJV of the bible on the E-Sword app which is a free to download and I love it. The Companion Bible of 1611 was first published in 1922 by a man named E. W. Bullinger with 198 appendixes which are packed full of factual information and no commontary. The Bible is published by Kregel. I thought you might study from the Companion Bible because of your name on this site.

 

[PlainWord]

Futurists,

Dan 9 is all about Israel being restored to their Land after Babylonian captivity and we see the 2nd temple and city being built during the first 7 weeks. Then at the end of the chapter we are told their city and temple would be destroyed in a war by fire and left desolate. Since you believe this is a future 3rd temple being destroyed, why wasn't Daniel first told how the second temple would be destroyed? Wouldn't Daniel be more interested in the fate of the second temple rather than the third temple? According to you, Dan 9 is silent about the fate of the second temple and city.

 

[VCO]

Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
Mat 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
Sorry but it would be really hard for the spoken words of Christ in verse 39 to be fulfilled if all of the Jews are dead,
Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
Dead Jews would not be able to speak the words "Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord." if they were all dead.
Your beliefs simply do not line up with the spoken words of Christ and there is no proof in the bible that even remotely suggests that God would allow nuclear war to ever break out. There is also no proof that the battle of ARMAGEDDON would be just a small part of any world war 3. Because all of the major players will be focused on Isreal. Russia, China, Europe and all of the descendants of Ishmael will be present and focused on Israel at the battle of ARMAGEDDON.
There is also no scriptural proof that Christ will return after the battle of ARMAGEDDON. There is no such a thing as any kind of seven years of Tribulation or seven years of the Wrath of God written anywhere in scripture and the words "seven years of tribulation or wrath" can not be found in sequence written in scripture, But the number 3 1/2 as in 3 1/2 years is prominent in the book of Daniel and the book of Revelation. Even the prophecy about Christ being cut off in the middle of the week is about the duration of Christ's ministry which was only 3 1/2 years long. There will be 3 1/2 years of great tribulation at which point Christ will return and raise the dead in Christ from the grave. After the resurrection the Wrath of God will fill the earth and that is when the battle of ARMAGEDDON will take place at the end of another period of 3 1/2 years of the punishment of God upon mankind which is why we will be removed from the earth because we are not appointed to suffer the wrath/punishment of God. In the Word of God the word "Tribulation" always means and is talking about "affliction" with no exceptions. Anywhere the words "Wrath of God" are spoken in the bible it always means and is talking about the 'Punishment of God" with no exceptions.

If you do not believe this, then I do not need to spend more time debating this.

THERE IS YOUR SCRIPTURAL PROOF:


The Lord's TRIUMPH and REIGN:

Zechariah 14:1-21 (HCSB)
1 A day of the LORD is coming when your plunder will be divided in your presence.
2 I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle. The city will be captured, the houses looted, and the women raped. Half the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be removed from the city.
3 Then the LORD will go out to fight against those nations as He fights on a day of battle.
4 On that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east. The Mount of Olives will be split in half from east to west, forming a huge valley, so that half the mountain will move to the north and half to the south.
5 You will flee by My mountain valley, for the valley of the mountains will extend to Azal. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come and all the holy ones with Him.
6 On that day there will be no light; the sunlight and moonlight will diminish.
7 It will be a day known ⌊only⌋ to Yahweh, without day or night, but there will be light at evening.
8 On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it toward the eastern sea and the other half toward the western sea, in summer and winter alike.
9 On that day Yahweh will become King over all the earth—Yahweh alone, and His name alone.
10 All the land from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem will be changed into a plain. But ⌊Jerusalem⌋ will be raised up and will remain on its site from the Benjamin Gate to the place of the First Gate, to the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananel to the royal winepresses.
11 People will live there, and never again will there be a curse of complete destruction. So Jerusalem will dwell in security.
12 This will be the plague the LORD strikes all the peoples with, who have warred against Jerusalem: their flesh will rot while they stand on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths.
13 On that day a great panic from the LORD will be among them, so that each will seize the hand of another, and the hand of one will rise against the other.
14 Judah will also fight at Jerusalem, and the wealth of all the surrounding nations will be collected: gold, silver, and clothing in great abundance.
15 The same plague as the previous one will strike the horses, mules, camels, donkeys, and all the animals that are in those camps.
16 Then all the survivors from the nations that came against Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, and to celebrate the Festival of Booths.
17 Should any of the families of the earth not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, rain will not fall on them.
18 And if the people of Egypt will not go up and enter, then rain will not fall on them; this will be the plague the LORD inflicts on the nations who do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Booths.
19 This will be the punishment of Egypt and all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Booths.
20 On that day, ⌊the words⌋ HOLY TO THE LORD will be on the bells of the horses. The pots in the house of the LORD will be like the sprinkling basins before the altar.
21 Every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah will be holy to the LORD of Hosts. Everyone who sacrifices will come and take some of the pots to cook in. And on that day there will no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the LORD of Hosts.

 

[iamsoandso]

IAMSOANDSO,

Let's go through this step-by-step:



The great multitude were those in Jerusalem during the siege who confessed Jesus as their Lord before they died of various means, starvation, chief among them. They died BEFORE His coming. Christ makes clear that He is present AFTER the great tribulation (siege) is over. The 144K servants of God were sealed BEFORE the Jews revolted in 66 AD. They are in contrast to the Jewish religious order which are killed after the temple fell. It was the Jewish religious order which took the mark of the beast and swore allegiance to Rome.



These are the early martyrs from the time of Christ until His 70 AD return. I think the timing of this aligns best with Nero's massacre of Christians from 64 to 68 AD. But let's not forget the Christians in Jerusalem gathered in huge numbers together on Mt Zion for protection from the Jews at the temple. They were still being picked off right up until their flight to Pella. So, there were plenty of martyrs looking for revenge against those Jews and Romans. Keep in mind, although Rome won the war, they lost a great number of people during that war and during their own civil war in 69 AD.



We covered this already. “Do not harm the earth (Israel), the sea (Rome), or the trees (Jewish religious leaders) till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.” The 144K Jews I believe was the Church at Jerusalem. They fled to Pella to safety.



Again, the Jewish religious leaders took the mark and they were in Jerusalem. They are the ones Jesus rebuked and promised hell to in Mat 23. They are all killed shortly after the temple fell. Yes, Titus ordered all the priests to be killed but Christ directed it, rest assured. Correct, the Zealots were not in alliance with the Romans. They were at war with Rome. The priests were in alliance with Rome and they opposed the war and the zealots. The newly converted Christians came from the 1.1 million killed during the Great Tribulation. We don't know how many of the 1.1 million converted, but apparently it was a lot. God cut those days short otherwise, no flesh would have been left and indeed only 98,000 survived. Another week or two and it could have been zero.

So your meaning the Herod's who were Edomites https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herodian_dynasty ? Why would God destroy the Jews/Israelite's for something Edomite(forced to convert to Judaism) kings given power by Rome did? Still the ten generals of Israel and the others rebelled in the revolts(1,2,3) so even if the Herod's worshiped Caesar and Rome the Jews in the revolt did not.

 

[iamsoandso]

Not talking about the 98,000 who survived. They were taken to Rome or sold into slavery. The population of Jerusalem at the end of 70 AD was virtually zero except for a few Roman troops.

That's the point the Romans(beast) isn't suppose to exist after Revelation 19:21 but they existed for hundreds of years after ad70 and split into the eastern and western empires and onward still after that.

 

[iamsoandso]

Futurists,

Dan 9 is all about Israel being restored to their Land after Babylonian captivity and we see the 2nd temple and city being built during the first 7 weeks. Then at the end of the chapter we are told their city and temple would be destroyed in a war by fire and left desolate. Since you believe this is a future 3rd temple being destroyed, why wasn't Daniel first told how the second temple would be destroyed? Wouldn't Daniel be more interested in the fate of the second temple rather than the third temple? According to you, Dan 9 is silent about the fate of the second temple and city.

Your meaning Dispensationist like Mid Acts Dispensationist right? As for me, an futurist, the next temple is the kingdom of the beast,aka one world government.

 

[VCO]

I read the KJV, not sure what a companion bible is. Is the bolded part or your post the companion part?

The Companion Bible Online! The KJV Online Study Bible in PDF [The Bullinger Bible in PDF] The Companion Bible by E. W. Bullinger which is an trusted in-depth personal Bible study resource for those who seek to know and understand God's Word in the trusted and familiar language of the King James Version (KJV).

It is a KJV Study Bible by E.W. Bullinger

 

[VCO]

So your meaning the Herod's who were Edomites https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herodian_dynasty ? Why would God destroy the Jews/Israelite's for something Edomite(forced to convert to Judaism) kings given power by Rome did? Still the ten generals of Israel and the others rebelled in the revolts(1,2,3) so even if the Herod's worshiped Caesar and Rome the Jews in the revolt did not.

PLEASE USE REPLY in the lower right Corner, because without it, we have NO IDEA WHO YOU ARE TALKING TO OR WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

 

[iamsoandso]

PLEASE USE REPLY in the lower right Corner, because without it, we have NO IDEA WHO YOU ARE TALKING TO OR WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

I suppose your right. I did use it but the one I quoted did not and you thought it was me.