THIRD TEMPLE NEWS

ripeolive · Jun 14, 2020

VCO and cv5, the word of God says that the city of David is west of Gihon (2 Chronicles 33:14). The first and second temples (and the temple about to be built, in the same place, only slightly bigger - but the center of the holy of holies will be in the same place (1 Kings 6:16,20, Ezekiel 41:4) as the first two, the top of mount Zion (2 Samuel 24:16-25, 1 Chronicles 21:15-30, 22:1, 2 Chronicles 3:1)) were northwest of Gihon - because they were not in Zion (1 Kings 8:1, 2 Chronicles 5:2). That is why the "molten sea" (1 Kings 7:23, 2 Chronicles 4:2) was placed at the southeast corner of the temple (1 Kings 7:39, 2 Chronicles 4:10) - to be in line for the "drawers of water" (Joshua 9:21,23,27) to fill up, coming from Gihon.

The scripture:

Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King. Psalms 48:2

means when all of the people will come to worship Jesus every year (Zechariah 14:16,17), and every beautiful and wonderful thing that will happen there, after Jesus comes back. It is also why the beast will place the image of the beast (Daniel 11:31, 12:11, Matthew 24:15, Mark 13:14, Revelation 13:14,15) at the northern inner court gate (Ezekiel 8:3,5, 40:35), because he will think it is beautiful. And "the hill thereof" (Isaiah 31:4) means the hill is right there, 469.27529639461099593476380428023 feet away from mount Zion,

c² = a² + b²
c² = 120² + 250²
c² = 14,400 + 62,500
c² = 76,900
c = 277.30849247724094899380340037242 great cubits = 469.27529639461099593476380428023 feet (1.69225 foot × 277.30849247724094899380340037242 = 469.27529639461099593476380428023) = 143.03511034107743156091600754461 meters (469.27529639461099593476380428023 feet × 0.3048 = 143.03511034107743156091600754461) = 0.07723278096170487665276242308025 nautical mile (469.27529639461099593476380428023 feet ÷ 5,280 = 0.08887789704443390074522041747732 statute mile, 0.08887789704443390074522041747732 statute mile × 0.86897624190064794816414686825051 = 0.07723278096170487665276242308025)

the center of "the most holy place" (Ezekiel 41:4) (Psalms 2:6) - not down the hill off in the city of David, because the first two temples never were in the city of David (1 Kings 8:1, 2 Chronicles 5:2). They were north of it. And the only reason it is called mount Zion now is because the LORD is building it up (Psalms 102:16), as it was told:

O Zion, that bringest good tidings, get thee up into the high mountain; O Jerusalem, that bringest good tidings, lift up thy voice with strength; lift it up, be not afraid; say unto the cities of Judah, Behold your God! Isaiah 40:9

That is why it is called mount Zion now. Jesus is about to reign from there.

Ezekiel was placed down on top of the "mountain" (Ezekiel 40:2), what is called the Foundation Stone today. He did not get placed down and then moved (until he moved in Ezekiel 40:6 - because of Ezekiel 40:5). He was placed down once, as he saw "the frame of a city on the south." (Ezekiel 40:2) And right there, on the top of the mountain, a man stood in the northern outer "gate" (Ezekiel 40:3,20), because the city was toward "the south" (Ezekiel 40:2). So from the center of the Foundation Stone due south exactly 250 great cubits, then due west exactly 120 great cubits from there, is the center of "the most holy place" (Ezekiel 41:4) of the temple, the top of mount Zion, the center of the world. And the reason the word of God says "And behold a wall on the outside of the house round about," (Ezekiel 40:5) is because as in Revelation 11:2 where it says:

But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. Revelation 11:2

that means the wall will be torn down during the 3 1/2 year tribulation (Daniel 12:11,12, Matthew 24:15-28, Mark 13:14-23, Luke 21:20-24), and after Jesus comes back (Zechariah 14:10 - the reason it was "a very high mountain" (Ezekiel 40:2) in Ezekiel's vision), it will have to be rebuilt, because after tearing it down, they will try to tear down the temple, but Jesus won't let them (Isaiah 31:4, Revelation 19:11-21, Zechariah 14:12).

Glory to God.

VCO · Jun 14, 2020

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ripeolive said:

DO YOU KNOW WHERE THE GIHON SPRING IS EXACTLY, it had a siphon tube and a smaller entrance below. So the Natural Tunnel exit hole was a secondary exit higher for the spring on the HILL. The top chamber is and the little tunnel going down to the Inclined Tunnel are the ones that are many made.

You see where the tunnel reaches the surface, WARREN that discovered it, crawled all the way through it. That comes up right besides the REAL Temple Mount. Prince Simon bar Kokhba ordered Mount Zion lowered to ground Level, because the ROMANS put a TEMPLE to Jupiter, DEFILING THE BEDROOM of Mount Zion. Jerusalem Is, the City of David probably a nickname, in BIBLE TIMES. It did not become two separate CITIES until long after the JEWS RETURNED from Exile in 438 A.D. Mistaking the Mount Moriah as a single Peak, was the error the Rabbi's made that caused them to vote the so-called TEMPLE MOUNT in the Wrong Place. Even though there is NO SPRING UP THERE and NO RIVER, the continue to believe their Rabbi's. Mount Moriah is the Name of the RIDGE between North of the Dome of the Rock and all the way down to where that ridge meats the Kidron Valley, in the southern part of City of David. That Mount Zion was in the center of Mount Moriah ridge.

See that City of David after the Temple was built by Solomon, and NOTHING WAS ON THAT HIGHER HILL at that time. So the Temple Priests plugged up the exit hole near the Kidron Valley to a trickle and totally plugged the exit hole higher up the hill, to get the Siphon Spring to exit inside the TEMPLE.

Believe what you want to believe. But the Holy Spirit has convinced me I was wrong about being up there where Dome of Rock stands; after I thoroughly researched it, and viewed the LATEST VIDEOS.

cv5 · Jun 14, 2020

ripeolive said:

Whew. This is a hot mess my friend. I don't have time to make much of a critque except to say....you are dead wrong. And there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever that the Dome of the Rock and the Muslim compound unquestionably and undoubtedly stand atop what was the Antonia fortress platform. The only structure remaining where one stone was in fact left upon another rather than being torn down to the ground. This of course because the Antonia fortress was continually used for centuries after 70AD. This 36 acre Fortress compound was at least twice the size of the original city of David. And it absolutely positively was not built by Solomon.
For pity's sake even the secular archaeologists realize that it was a gigantic 40 acre structure.

https://popular-archaeology.com/article/antonia-the-fortress-jerusalem-forgot/

"The story begins with Josephus, the first century Romano-Jewish scholar and historian, who explains in his writings that Herod the Great expanded the “Baris” (the Greek word for “tower”), built by John Hyrcanus, the famous second century B.C.E. Jewish leader, to replace the citadel which had formerly protected the temple in the City of David (pre-Babylonian Jerusalem). Josephus effuses about its splendor and how much Herod, a prolific spender, dispensed for its construction. Herod dubbed the Roman camp “Fort Antonia” after his friend, Mark Antony, and it assured his reputation as a master builder by its unparalleled magnificence. It must have been about 40 acres in size, like other typical Roman camps capable of housing a legion of 5,000-6,000 soldiers. Josephus described it as being “erected upon a rock of fifty cubits in height” on a “great precipice.” It had “all kinds of rooms and other conveniences, such as courts, and places for bathing, and broad spaces for camps, such that it had all the conveniences of cities and seemed like it was composed of several cities.” With 60-foot walls, four towers (the southeast being 105 feet high), and smooth stones installed on its slopes, it dominated the temple to its south, ready to fend off the most formidable attacks. When any trouble brewed in the temple, or to keep peace during the festivals, Roman soldiers poured out of Fort Antonia onto two 600-foot aerial bridges, connecting it to the roofs of the temple porticoes, whereupon they dispersed around its four-furlong perimeter. If need be, the soldiers could rain their arrows down upon the people in the outer courts or descend via staircases to perform hand-to-hand combat. "

VCO · Jun 15, 2020

ripeolive said:

If you look in the last picture of the City of David, also called Jerusalem, the TEMPLE is in the Northwest corner of the City of David. And the Warren's Shaft DRAWING, it does not say what direction that tunnel runs. HOWEVER, the Northeast Corner, a little bit farther South than the Northwest Corner, therefore to get the Spring to Gush out of the man made extension to the TUNNEL, that would be NORTHWEST! AND THE SO-CALLED TEMPLE MOUNT where the DOME of the ROCK is located due NORTH of GIHON SPRING. Thanks for proving our point. IT IS IN THE CITY OF DAVID!

So the THRESHING FLOOR the KING DAVID BOUGHT ON TOP OF MOUNT ZION, SOUTH OF THE MODERN CITY OF JERUSALEM's SOUTHERN WALL approximately 600 Feet where the Mount Zion used to start, the outer northern wall of the TEMPLE is it proper location.

Food for thought:

ELEAZER BEN JAIR (Commander of Masada) wrote:
"It (Jerusalem) is now demolished to the very foundations, and hath nothing left but that monument of it preserved, I mean the camp of those (Romans) that hath destroyed it, which still dwells upon it's ruins."

Josephus (1st Century Historian)
"Now as to the Tower of Antonia, it might seem to be composed of several cities."

"For if we go up to the Tower of Antonia, we gain the city since we shall then be upon the top of the hill."

VCO · Jun 15, 2020

ripeolive said:

You should have read the context. The Ark was in the TEMPLE, in the northwest part of ancient Jerusalm, the City of David. He ordered the ARK to be taken just for the Festival, to open ground in the Tabernacle, the Tent of Meetings, temporarily just for the Festival.

1 Kings 8:1 (HCSB)
1 At that time Solomon assembled the elders of Israel, all the tribal heads and the ancestral leaders of the Israelites before him at Jerusalem in order to bring the ark of the LORD’s covenant from the city of David, that is Zion.

The two Cities were the SAME TOWN in the CITY OF DAVID was also called JERUSALEM in the Old Testament TIMES.

Here is the Coup de Grâce:

1 Kings 8:4-5 (HCSB)
4 The priests and the Levites brought the ark of the LORD, the tent of meeting, and the holy utensils that were in the tent.
5 King Solomon and the entire congregation of Israel, who had gathered around him and were with him in front of the ark, were sacrificing sheep and cattle that could not be counted or numbered, because there were so many.

This was like a modern day STATE FAIR, it had to be held outside on open GROUND, WHY?
TO MANY PEOPLE AND TO MANY ANIMALS.

1 Kings 8:6 (NIV)
6 The priests then brought the ark of the LORD's covenant to its place in the inner sanctuary of the temple, the Most Holy Place, and put it beneath the wings of the cherubim.

The Priests then returned it to the TEMPLE. It was in the TEMPLE, then the Took it to the TENT because there were too many People and Animals, and Then they returned it to the TEMPLE.

Like I said, BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT TO BELIEVE,
AND I WILL BELIEVE THE TRUTH.

Better patch those holes in your boat.

ripeolive · Jun 16, 2020

VCO, Jerusalem "is Jebus; where the Jebusites were, the inhabitants of the land.” (1 Chronicles 11:4) (Joshua 15:8,63, (also called "Jebusi") 18:28, Judges 1:21, 19:10, 2 Samuel 5:6). Zion, the city of David (2 Samuel 5:7), was in the south part of Jerusalem. Where the angel of the LORD was seen, above "Jerusalem" (2 Samuel 24:16, 1 Chronicles 21:15) - the location of the temple (1 Chronicles 22:1, 2 Chronicles 3:1) - was "where the Jebusites were" (1 Chronicles 11:4) - the threshingfloor of Ornah "the Jebusite" (2 Samuel 24:16,18, 1 Chronicles 21:15,18,28).

All of "the things which David his father had dedicated" (1 Kings 7:51) had just been put into the temple (2 Chronicles 5:1) - as it was ready to receive "the ark of the covenant of the LORD" (1 Kings 8:1, 2 Chronicles 5:2) - that yes was going out of "the city of David, which is Zion" (1 Kings 8:1, 2 Chronicles 5:2), north, to the place made for it in the temple (1 Kings 6:19) - also in Jerusalem, just not in "the city of David, which is Zion" (1 Kings 8:1, 2 Chronicles 5:2) - north of there.

The reason "all the men of Israel assembled themselves" (1 Kings 8:2, 2 Chronicles 5:3) was for one of the three feasts per year (Deuteronomy 16:16), that all the males of Israel went to, along with this time, to dedicate the temple (1 Kings 7:51, 8:13,20,21,27,29,31,33,38,42-44,48,62,63, 2 Chronicles 5:1, 6:2,10,11,18,20,22,24,29,32-34,38, 7:4,5).

The reason "and all the congregation of Israel, that were assembled unto him, were with him before the ark, sacrificing sheep and oxen, that could not be told nor numbered for multitude" (1 Kings 8:5) (2 Chronicles 5:6), was because they were sacrificing before the ark every "six paces" (2 Samuel 6:13), as the ark stopped, on its way to the placed prepared for it in the temple (1 Kings 6:19) - quite a ways away, therefore a huge amount of sacrifices, having to stop every six paces to sacrifice, glory to God.

And the ark was coming from the place David had prepared for it (2 Samuel 6:17, 1 Chronicles 15:1,3, 16:1, 2 Chronicles 1:4), where it had been, until it left "the city of David, which is Zion" (1 Kings 8:1, 2 Chronicles 5:2) (except for when it left one time, a short distance, but then soon returned to where it had been (2 Samuel 15:25)), on its way to the place prepared for it in the temple (1 Kings 6:19), also in Jerusalem, just not in Zion, the city of David, but north of there.

Glory to God.

VCO · Jun 17, 2020

1 Chronicles 21:18 (HCSB)
18 So the angel of the LORD ordered Gad {the Prophet} to tell David to go and set up an altar to the LORD on the threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite.

I am convinced that this is the very place where DAVID set up a Sacrifice Altar on the property that he bought from Ornan the Jebusite.

And that is in the CITY OF DAVID.

1 Chronicles 21:15-30 (ESV)
15 And God sent the angel to Jerusalem to destroy it, but as he was about to destroy it, the LORD saw, and he relented from the calamity. And he said to the angel who was working destruction, “It is enough; now stay your hand.” And the angel of the LORD was standing by the threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite.
16 And David lifted his eyes and saw the angel of the LORD standing between earth and heaven, and in his hand a drawn sword stretched out over Jerusalem. Then David and the elders, clothed in sackcloth, fell upon their faces.
17 And David said to God, “Was it not I who gave command to number the people? It is I who have sinned and done great evil. But these sheep, what have they done? Please let your hand, O LORD my God, be against me and against my father’s house. But do not let the plague be on your people.”
18 Now the angel of the LORD had commanded Gad to say to David that David should go up and raise an altar to the LORD on the threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite.
19 So David went up at Gad’s word, which he had spoken in the name of the LORD.
20 Now Ornan was threshing wheat. He turned and saw the angel, and his four sons who were with him hid themselves.
21 As David came to Ornan, Ornan looked and saw David and went out from the threshing floor and paid homage to David with his face to the ground.
22 And David said to Ornan, “Give me the site of the threshing floor that I may build on it an altar to the LORD—give it to me at its full price—that the plague may be averted from the people.”
23 Then Ornan said to David, “Take it, and let my lord the king do what seems good to him. See, I give the oxen for burnt offerings and the threshing sledges for the wood and the wheat for a grain offering; I give it all.”
24 But King David said to Ornan, “No, but I will buy them for the full price. I will not take for the LORD what is yours, nor offer burnt offerings that cost me nothing.”
25 So David paid Ornan 600 shekels of gold by weight for the site.
26 And David built there an altar to the LORD and presented burnt offerings and peace offerings and called on the LORD, and the LORD answered him with fire from heaven upon the altar of burnt offering.
27 Then the LORD commanded the angel, and he put his sword back into its sheath.
28 At that time, when David saw that the LORD had answered him at the threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite, he sacrificed there.
29 For the tabernacle of the LORD, which Moses had made in the wilderness, and the altar of burnt offering were at that time in the high place at Gibeon,
30 but David could not go before it to inquire of God, for he was afraid of the sword of the angel of the LORD.

2 Chronicles 3:1-2 (GWT)
1 Solomon began to build the LORD'S temple in Jerusalem on Mount Moriah {was a Ridge running down north of the Dome of Rock, all the way down to the southern tip of the City of David.}, where the LORD appeared to his father David. There David had prepared the site on the threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite.
2 He began to build on the second day in the second month of the fourth year of his reign.

See that doted Line up top by the wrong location the TEMPLE MOUNT. Follow that line down the west side, stay left at the intersection, until it curves back up. THAT IS ALL MOUNT MORIAH, and in the MIDDLE was a secondary hill with FLAT TOP, for the Threshing Floor on the southern END of the OPHEL, ALSO CALLED MOUNT ZION. The rest of that DOTTED LINE would be the LAND of MORIAH.

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The topographic map shows that Mount Moriah is not a single peak, but an elongated ridge which commences to rise at its Southern end at the junction of the Kidron and Hinnom Valleys, at the original City of David, (elevation approximately 600 meters).
http://www.templemount.org/moriah2.html END QOUTE.

HOW DO I KNOW IT CANNOT BE THE SO-CALLED TEMPLE MOUNT. That part of Mount Moriah NEVER HAD a Flat Level Enough place for a THRESHING FLOOR, BECAUSE OF THE LARGE PROTRUDING ROCK IN THE MIDDLE. Where as, MOUNT ZION had a flat top, and it was perfect for Threshing Wheat.

Prince Simon bar Kokhba, ruler of ISRAEL in 132 A.D. ordered that they turn Mount Zion, into a ROCK QUARRY, because the ROMANS put a Temple to Jupiter on the exact location of Jewish Temple they had destroyed, and defiled the BEDROCK. THEREFORE, SIMON REMOVED THE BEDROCK to improve roads south of Jerusalem. What part of FLAT GROUND is needed for a THRESHING FLOOR, does EVERYONE of the 70 Rabbi's that VOTED in 438 A.D., did they not understand. That vote was a simple majority, so many had to have Voted for the City of David, but the majority COULD NOT SEE A MOUNT THERE, so they discounted it. NO HILL, does not mean that the Temple does not BELONG in the CITY OF DAVID.

Solomon's built his Temple, and IT SAYS in 2 Chronicles 3:1-2, Solomon built it in the same location of the Threshing Floor where KING DAVID built an Altar on Mount Moriah. ANOTHER MISTAKE THEY MADE, was to assume Mount Moriah was a single PEAK, when it was a RIDGE running along that side of Jerusalem and the City of David. KING HEROD only MADE IMPROVEMENTS on SOLOMON's Temple.

VCO · Jun 18, 2020

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that the new city was dedicated to Jupiter Capitolinus, to whom a temple was built overlapping the site of the former second Jewish temple, the Temple Mount {end quote]

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Catholic Encyclopedia (1913)/Jerusalem (A.D. 71-1099)
the tyranny of the Romans, by the re-erection of Jerusalem as a Roman colony and the establishment of an altar to Jupiter on the site of the Temple, {end quote]

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Dolorossa and the Eastern Cardo, adjacent to the Temple of Jupiter Capitolinus intentionally built atop the Temple Mount. Another popular holy site that Hadrian {end quote]

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Herod's Temple was destroyed in 70 CE by the Romans, and after the Bar Kokhba revolt in 135, a Roman temple to Jupiter Capitolinus was built at the site by {end quote]

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After Titus destroyed the Temple in 70 AD, Hadrian became Caesar in 117 - 138 AD. Hadrian, revisits the actions of he predecessor Antiochus IV Epiphanes and sets up a Temple of Jupiter on the Temple mount, ordering circumcision to cease and expelling the Jews from Jerusalem altogether. He not only made himself the object of worship in this temple, but made Jerusalem the capital city of the Roman world for the worship of Jupiter. He also built an temple to Jupiter in Baalbek, Lebanon that is still standing today. Just as Hitler deceived British Prime Minister Chamberlain in 1938 AD that there would be "peace in our time", so too Hadrian deceived the Jews to believe that he was peacefully rebuilding the Jewish Temple, when in fact he was constructing the world headquarters "Temple of Jupiter". As construction began, the Jews probably even helped in thankfulness and praise to Hadrian. But when the Jews finally learned of Hadrian's true intent, as did England learn of Hitler's, they rebelled and a huge war broke out in 132 AD where 85 major Jewish towns were destroyed and 580,000 Jewish men were killed. The false promises of peace of Hadrian and Hitler both resulted in major holocausts against the Jews. Israel came to the promised land with about 600,000 men and they were finally expelled from the land by having about 600,000 men killed by Hadrian. The Temple of Jupiter was completed on the temple mount in 135 AD and was the most important (Jupiter Capitolinus) "Temple to Jupiter" in the world. While the Jews of Hadrian's time may have been looking for the story of 2 Maccabees conclude with a similar victory for the Jews, Hadrian was likely reminded of the same 2 Macc. text to make sure the ending was different. https://www.bible.ca/archeology/bible-archeology-jerusalem-temple-mount-threshing-floor.htm {end quote]

This BIBLICAL ARCHEOLOGY specialist, a NON-JEW, from the above site, made this ridiculous CLAIM, rather than admit, they were focusing on the WRONG SITE, THE TEMPLE BELONGS IN THE CITY OF DAVID:

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The concept that the priests must use "living water" to cleanse the temple area is as foreign to the Bible as it is absurd. Lets assume this was really true. So God commands Solomon to build the temple in a place that has no natural springs of water, then tells Solomon that he must use spring water to wash the blood from the sacrifices of the temple. While this may be one of the many "laws of the Pharisees" that they invented, there is no scriptural evidence where God required "living water". Also, the water conduits feeding the temple were not built till hundreds of years after Solomon. How did the temple priests wash and cleanse the temple area with "living water"? The Gihon spring inside the city of David cannot lift water that high, so the nearest "living water" would be 30 miles south in Hebron. A considerable construction task. For those who think the solution is locating the temple right over the Gihon spring itself, we remind them that just as you would not locate your toilet in the middle of your kitchen table, so also no one in ancient times would locate a threshing floor directly beside the only source of fresh drinking water for a 5 mile radius.
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tanakh · Jun 19, 2020

I understand that according to Jewish beliefs it is the Messiah that builds the Temple. As they reject Jesus as the Messiah the only
person who can build it before his return is the antichrist so if a temple is built we will know who that person is. Meanwhile any
preparations for it may take place but the actual building will await his arrival. People also ignore the false prophet in the end time
scenario. This Satanic John the Baptist could be lurking around in plain sight right now. I leave it to readers to speculate who that
might be.

VCO · Jun 19, 2020

tanakh said:

That will happen WHEN the 4th TEMPLE, AFTER CHRIST COMES BACK and sets up the Physical TEMPLE for the MORTALS that will inhabit HIS Millennial KINGDOM. YES, there is a prophesied FOURTH TEMPLE. I know some Jews think the Messiah will appear SOON to build the TEMPLE before it is time, but that is the 3rd Temple, and it is not be the right one. Here is the the THIRD TEMPLE:

2 Thessalonians 2:3-7 (NASB)
3 Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,
4 who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.
5 Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things?
6 And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed.
7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way.

That is the short lived 3rd Temple, and it's MAJOR Purpose will be to fulfill this Prophecy.

Yes, the Temple is spiritually inside us True Believers, and will always be inside us. BUT GOD DEALS WITH MORTALS, DIFFERENTLY. Here is a reference to the FOURTH TEMPLE, that will LAST a thousand years or more.

Zechariah 14:16-18 (NASB)
16 Then it will come about that any who are left of all the nations that went against Jerusalem will go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to celebrate the Feast of Booths.
17 And it will be that whichever of the families of the earth does not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, there will be no rain on them.
18 If the family of Egypt does not go up or enter, then no rain will fall on them; it will be the plague with which the LORD smites the nations who do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Booths.

If you have not read this chapter recently, please read the whole Chapter.

To celebrate the FEAST of BOOTHS, if I remember right, REQUIRES a least TWO visits to the TEMPLE BUILDING IN THE CITY OF DAVID.
THAT IS THE FOURTH TEMPLE for the MORTALS HERE ON EARTH, DURING THE MILLENNIAL KINGDOM, and will be there for the entire 1000 YEARS, maybe more.

Question? I have Never heard of the SATANIC JOHN THE BAPTIST, which I assume is a reference to the Antichrist.
What Church Teaches that ? ? ?

VCO · Jun 19, 2020

Prince Simon bar Kokhba, also spelled Kochba, that last name was Nick Name. His real name was Simon bar Kosiva, which meant "Son of a Lie". I think I know why he changed his name.

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From the letters and other historical data, we learn that in 132 CE, Bar Kosiba organized a large guerilla army and succeeded in actually throwing the Romans out of Jerusalem and Israel and establishing, albeit for a very brief period, an independent Jewish state. The Talmud (Sanhedrin 97b) states that he established an independent kingdom that lasted for two and half years.

Bar Kosiba's success caused many to believe ― among them Rabbi Akiva, one of the wisest and holiest of Israel's rabbis ― that he could be the Messiah. He was nicknamed "Bar Kochba" or "Son of Star," an allusion to a verse in the Book of Numbers (24:17): "there shall come a star out of Jacob." This star is understood to refer to the Messiah.

Bar Kochba did not turn out to be the Messiah, and later the rabbis wrote that his real name was Bar Kosiva meaning "Son of a Lie" ― highlighting the fact that he was a false Messiah.

At the time, however, Bar Kochba ― who was a man of tremendous leadership abilities ― managed to unite the entire Jewish people around him. Jewish accounts describe him as a man of tremendous physical strength, who could uproot a tree while riding on a horse. This is probably an exaggeration, but he was a very special leader and undoubtedly had messianic potential, which is what Rabbi Akiva recognized in him.

Jewish sources list Bar Kochba's army at 100,000 men, but even if that is an overestimate and he had half that number, it was still a huge force.

United, the Jews were a force to be reckoned with. They overran the Romans, threw them out of the land of Israel, declared independence and even minted coins. That is a pretty unique event in the history of the Roman Empire.

Roman Response

Rome could not let this be. Such boldness had to be crushed and those responsible punished ― brutally and totally.

But the Jews were not easily overcome. Hadrian poured more and more troops into Israel to fight the Bar Kochba forces until the Romans had enlisted almost half of their entire army, as many as twelve of the twenty four legions of the empire may have been brought into Israel (three times as many as they had sent in to crush the Great Revolt 65 years earlier) to crush the revolt.

Heading this mammoth force was Rome's best general, Julius Severus. But even with all this might behind him, Julius Severus was afraid to meet the Jews in open battle. This fact alone is very telling, because the Romans were the masters of open battle. But they feared the Jews because they saw them as being willing to die for their faith ― a mentality the Romans thought suicidal. So what happened?

The Roman historian Dio Cassius tells us:

"Severus did not venture to attack his opponents in the open at any one point in view of their numbers and their desperation, but by intercepting small groups. Thanks to the numbers of soldiers and his officers, and by depriving them of food and shutting them up, he was able ― rather slowly to be sure, but with comparatively little danger ― to crush, exhaust and exterminate them. Very few of them in fact survived. Fifty of their most important outposts and 985 of their most famous villages were razed to the ground, and 580,000 men were slain in various raids and battles, and the number of those who perished by famine, disease and fire was past finding out.
End Quote.

tanakh · Jun 19, 2020

VCO said:

Its more than some Jews. This has been the position of Israel at least since the destruction of the old one. Jesus was expected defeat the Romans and physically take over the country by his disciples. It was the common belief based on their understanding of scripture. Messiah means annointed one. The kings of Israel were annointed with oil and were called Messiahs. Jesus fulfilled the role of the Messiah when he rode in Jerusalem on a Donkey this was prophesied.

RE The False Prophet
It was not a reference to the antichrist. That was my take on the false prophet. They are two different individuals which is indicated by the fact that both are thrown into the lake of fire. John the Baptist was the last of the OT prophets. He paved the way for Christs ministry The false Prophet appears to support the Antichrist and urges people to worship his idol. His role and relationship with
the antichrist to me appears similar but not identical to John the Baptists role and relationship with jesus.

VCO · Jun 19, 2020

tanakh said:

Interesting, but we just call him the False Prophet.

Revelation 19:20 (ASV)
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought the signs in his sight, wherewith he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast and them that worshipped his image: they two were cast alive into the lake of fire that burneth with brimstone:

Can you imagine the expression on their faces when the Two Witnesses reveal to them WHO their MESSIAH Actually IS.

ripeolive · Jun 20, 2020

VCO, the city of David is not in the New Testament, except for in Luke 2:4,11, because of "where David was" (John 7:42) (1 Samuel 16:1,18, 17:12,15,58, 20:6,28). When "they brought up the ark of the LORD" (1 Kings 8:4) (2 Chronicles 5:5), "out of the city of David, which is Zion" (1 Kings 8:1, 2 Chronicles 5:2), "the things which David his father had dedicated" (1 Kings 7:51) (2 Chronicles 5:1) had already been brought "in" (1 Kings 7:51, 2 Chronicles 5:1) to the temple. So at the same time they were bringing "the tabernacle of the congregation" (1 Kings 8:4, 2 Chronicles 5:5), from "Gibeon" (1 Kings 3:4, 1 Chronicles 16:39, 21:29, 2 Chronicles 1:3,13), "and all the holy vessels that were in the tabernacle" (1 Kings 8:4, 2 Chronicles 5:5), "up" (1 Kings 8:4, 2 Chronicles 5:5) to the temple - for the temple to be "dedicated" (1 Kings 8:63, 2 Chronicles 7:5).

The "tabernacle of David" (Acts 15:16, Amos 9:11, Isaiah 16:5) is talking about the temple that is about to be built, as it is "After this" (Acts 15:16) - talking about after "how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name" (Acts 15:14) (Acts 15:8), it is "In that day" (Amos 9:11) - as "one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day" (2 Peter 3:8) - in the same day as "the eyes of the LORD GOD are upon the sinful kingdom" (Amos 9:8), glory to God forever and ever, as he keeps the kingdom of Israel destroyed "from off the face of the earth" (Amos 9:8) since 2 Kings 17:6,23, while not destroying "the house of Jacob" (Amos 9:8), as the tribe of Judah, the Jews, continue until this day, glory to God - and they are beginning to go back today, as it is the LORD who has established the country of Israel, and is building up Zion (Psalms 102:16), and it is during the time (because of "And" (Isaiah 16:5)) the word of God says "hide the outcasts" (Isaiah 16:3), and "Let mine outcasts dwell with thee, Moab" (Isaiah 16:4) - during the "tribulation" (Matthew 24:29, Mark 13:24), that the temple will (already) be built - all before Jesus comes back. And the temple that is about to be built will not be built and then torn down, and then another one built after that. It will be the same "temple" (Revelation 11:2, Malachi 3:1) that goes through the tribulation, and the same one that Jesus reigns as King from when he comes back. Glory to God.

And tanakh you need to give everything you have against everyone to the Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 6:15). I forgive you and Dino246, and everyone else that have come against me here in this place. I love all of you, and am just trying to do the best I can, with what the Lord has given me. Glory to God.

bojack · Jun 20, 2020

ripeolive said:

VCO, the city of David is not in the New Testament, except for in Luke 2:4,11, because of "where David was" (John 7:42) (1 Samuel 16:1,18, 17:12,15,58, 20:6,28). When "they brought up the ark of the LORD" (1 Kings 8:4) (2 Chronicles 5:5), "out of the city of David, which is Zion" (1 Kings 8:1, 2 Chronicles 5:2), "the things which David his father had dedicated" (1 Kings 7:51) (2 Chronicles 5:1) had already been brought "in" (1 Kings 7:51, 2 Chronicles 5:1) to the temple. So at the same time they were bringing "the tabernacle of the congregation" (1 Kings 8:4, 2 Chronicles 5:5), from "Gibeon" (1 Kings 3:4, 1 Chronicles 16:39, 21:29, 2 Chronicles 1:3,13), "and all the holy vessels that were in the tabernacle" (1 Kings 8:4, 2 Chronicles 5:5), "up" (1 Kings 8:4, 2 Chronicles 5:5) to the temple - for the temple to be "dedicated" (1 Kings 8:63, 2 Chronicles 7:5).

The "tabernacle of David" (Acts 15:16, Amos 9:11, Isaiah 16:5) is talking about the temple that is about to be built, as it is "After this" (Acts 15:16) - talking about after "how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name" (Acts 15:14) (Acts 15:8), it is "In that day" (Amos 9:11) - as "one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day" (2 Peter 3:8) - in the same day as "the eyes of the LORD GOD are upon the sinful kingdom" (Amos 9:8), glory to God forever and ever, as he keeps the kingdom of Israel destroyed "from off the face of the earth" (Amos 9:8) since 2 Kings 17:6,23, while not destroying "the house of Jacob" (Amos 9:8), as the tribe of Judah, the Jews, continue until this day, glory to God - and they are beginning to go back today, as it is the LORD who has established the country of Israel, and is building up Zion (Psalms 102:16), and it is during the time (because of "And" (Isaiah 16:5)) the word of God says "hide the outcasts" (Isaiah 16:3), and "Let mine outcasts dwell with thee, Moab" (Isaiah 16:4) - during the "tribulation" (Matthew 24:29, Mark 13:24), that the temple will (already) be built - all before Jesus comes back. And the temple that is about to be built will not be built and then torn down, and then another one built after that. It will be the same "temple" (Revelation 11:2, Malachi 3:1) that goes through the tribulation, and the same one that Jesus reigns as King from when he comes back. Glory to God.

And tanakh you need to give everything you have against everyone to the Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 6:15). I forgive you and Dino246, and everyone else that have come against me here in this place. I love all of you, and am just trying to do the best I can, with what the Lord has given me. Glory to God.

Mt Zion, Bethlehem , City of David .. Jesus became the Tabernacle of God through David, right ?

VCO · Jun 20, 2020

bojack said:

NOT exactly, IT IS GOD INCARNATE.

2 Corinthians 5:19 (ASV)
19 to wit, that God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself, not reckoning unto them their trespasses, and having committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

tanakh · Jun 20, 2020

ripeolive said:

VCO, the city of David is not in the New Testament, except for in Luke 2:4,11, because of "where David was" (John 7:42) (1 Samuel 16:1,18, 17:12,15,58, 20:6,28). When "they brought up the ark of the LORD" (1 Kings 8:4) (2 Chronicles 5:5), "out of the city of David, which is Zion" (1 Kings 8:1, 2 Chronicles 5:2), "the things which David his father had dedicated" (1 Kings 7:51) (2 Chronicles 5:1) had already been brought "in" (1 Kings 7:51, 2 Chronicles 5:1) to the temple. So at the same time they were bringing "the tabernacle of the congregation" (1 Kings 8:4, 2 Chronicles 5:5), from "Gibeon" (1 Kings 3:4, 1 Chronicles 16:39, 21:29, 2 Chronicles 1:3,13), "and all the holy vessels that were in the tabernacle" (1 Kings 8:4, 2 Chronicles 5:5), "up" (1 Kings 8:4, 2 Chronicles 5:5) to the temple - for the temple to be "dedicated" (1 Kings 8:63, 2 Chronicles 7:5).

The "tabernacle of David" (Acts 15:16, Amos 9:11, Isaiah 16:5) is talking about the temple that is about to be built, as it is "After this" (Acts 15:16) - talking about after "how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name" (Acts 15:14) (Acts 15:8), it is "In that day" (Amos 9:11) - as "one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day" (2 Peter 3:8) - in the same day as "the eyes of the LORD GOD are upon the sinful kingdom" (Amos 9:8), glory to God forever and ever, as he keeps the kingdom of Israel destroyed "from off the face of the earth" (Amos 9:8) since 2 Kings 17:6,23, while not destroying "the house of Jacob" (Amos 9:8), as the tribe of Judah, the Jews, continue until this day, glory to God - and they are beginning to go back today, as it is the LORD who has established the country of Israel, and is building up Zion (Psalms 102:16), and it is during the time (because of "And" (Isaiah 16:5)) the word of God says "hide the outcasts" (Isaiah 16:3), and "Let mine outcasts dwell with thee, Moab" (Isaiah 16:4) - during the "tribulation" (Matthew 24:29, Mark 13:24), that the temple will (already) be built - all before Jesus comes back. And the temple that is about to be built will not be built and then torn down, and then another one built after that. It will be the same "temple" (Revelation 11:2, Malachi 3:1) that goes through the tribulation, and the same one that Jesus reigns as King from when he comes back. Glory to God.

And tanakh you need to give everything you have against everyone to the Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 6:15). I forgive you and Dino246, and everyone else that have come against me here in this place. I love all of you, and am just trying to do the best I can, with what the Lord has given me. Glory to God.

I stand by what I said. There are too many people spreading ideas that the Corona Virus doesnt exist or its 'just flu' these are dangerous ideas that can lead gullible people to take risks that they wouldnt otherwise take. I have relatives that work in Hospitals
with Corona victims but according to you they are deluded by Satan into thinking the Virus is real. As for the rest of your post well
this is a web site where people discuss and debate all sorts of things. If you cant stand the heat.......

VCO · Jun 21, 2020

ripeolive said:

I have explained the NUMEROUS TIMES. The City of DAVID, was the NICKNAME in the OLD Testament times of King David and King Solomon, and it's legal name was JERUSALEM. At that time, their was NOTHING on the HIGH HILL of the Mount Moriah the RIDGE that runs from north of the Dome of the ROCK all the way down to southern most tip of the CURRENT CITY OF DAVID. City of DAVID became the Name of the city, after Jerusalem got moved further NORTH. SO the CITY OF DAVID, was ONCE JERUSALEM starting at the southern part of the OPHEL running south to Kidron Valley, and THE Mount MORIAH RIDGE at the Center flat top Peak was the single Peak of Mount Zion, on the southern part of the OPHEL.

There is King Solomon's Jerusalem, also nicknamed City of David, and NOT THERE IS NOTHING ON THE HIGH HILL at that time. After the ROMAN Tenth Legion, occupied Jerusalem they built Fortress Antonia on the High Hill. A Roman Legion is 6000 Soldiers and about 4000 Support Staff. A short lived return to Jerusalem, 132 A.D. - 136 A.D. by Simon bar Kokhba and his forces defeated the Tenth Legion. But his forces GOT TOTALLY WIPED OUT by the RETURN OF THE ROMANS. no survivors, and estimated 580,000 Jews were KILLED in the whole country during War. The surviving Jews in other towns were exiled out of the country from 136 A.D. - 438 A.D. After the Jews returned from exile, in 438 and the 70 Rabbi's erroneously VOTED the High Hill had to be Temple once stood. So Old City Jerusalem, is NOT older that 438 A.D., because Jerusalem was completely TORN DOWN by the ROMANS in 70 A.D. In fact the destruction was so complete it looked like a plowed field.

Some people do not want to believe me that the Old City of DAVID a nickname, but IT is actually the Old City JERUSALEM. So listen to Jerome Spielman, Vice President of the modern CITY OF DAVID, as HE explains the modern City of David used to be in Old Testament times, JERUSALEM.

garee · Jun 21, 2020

bojack said:

Yes through mankind. Not lifeless temples made with corrupted human hands. The abomination of desolation!

VCO · Jun 21, 2020

I should explain, that the flat top of Mount ZION was no more than a few meters high, but it was was obviously a raised top no larger than a Hill. HOWEVER, in 132 A.D. Prince Simon bar Kokhba, after he kicked the ROMANS out of the COUNTRY, he decided that the Temple of Jupiter that the ROMANS built there DEFILED the whole bedrock. So he built a Rock Quarry there, and leveled the hill side down to the GROUND LEVEL, and used the rock for a building project south of Jerusalem, also known as the CITY of DAVID.

QUOTE:
Zion
HILL, JERUSALEM
WRITTEN BY:

The Editors of Encyclopaedia Britannica

See Article History
Zion, in the Old Testament, the easternmost of the two hills of ancient Jerusalem. It was the site of the Jebusite city captured by David, king of Israel and Judah, in the 10th century BC (2 Samuel 5:6–9) and established by him as his royal capital. Some scholars believe that the name also belonged to the “stronghold of Zion” taken by David (2 Samuel 5:7), which may have been the fortress of the city. The Jewish historian Josephus, in the 1st century AD, identified Zion with the western hill of Jerusalem, where most of the city lay in his day. This incorrect identification of the site was retained until the late 19th or early 20th century, when the site of Zion was identified as the eastern hill (modern Ophel). The site was not included in the walls of Jerusalem’s 16th-century fortifications.
. . .
In the Old Testament, Zion is overwhelmingly a poetic and prophetic designation and is infrequently used in ordinary prose. It usually has emotional and religious overtones, but it is not clear why the name Zion rather than the name Jerusalem should carry these overtones. The religious and emotional qualities of the name arise from the importance of Jerusalem as the royal city and the city of the Temple. Mount Zion is the place where Yahweh, the God of Israel, dwells (Isaiah 8:18; Psalm 74:2), the place where he is king (Isaiah 24:23) and where he has installed his king, David (Psalm 2:6). It is thus the seat of the action of Yahweh in history.
END QUOTE.

The Biblical Mount ZION is where the THRESHING FLOOR that David Bought from Ornan the Jebusite. Now the second Hill that also is call Mount Zion, is not the BIBLICAL Mount Zion, is west of the Biblical Mount ZION.

MOUNT ZION in KING DAVID's DAY

Second Hill also called the Mount Zion.

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