THIRD TEMPLE NEWS

[miknik5]

The tribulation saints who will suffer a period of tribulation are the church.

Along with their Jewish brothers and sisters who come in at the last hour...who turn to faith in JESUS before they physically die.
ONE HOUSE.

 

[miknik5]

John represents THE ONE WHOM JESUS LOVED...
We too, (THE CHURCH) represent THE ONE WHOM JESUS LOVES...

 

[tanakh]

AMEN!


I get a newspaper from Israel online, I am connected to a church in Israel who keeps the current news updated on all matters. According to those resources, they claim to have a copy of the actual Temple built 10 miles from where the literal site of the 3rd Temple will go. They claim to have every piece already built and can be assembled within 2 weeks time. They claim they have went to the United Nations 4 times and have been denied claiming it is Muslim Territory. But here is the kicker, they already have voted in a "High Priest" designate to perform daily sacrifice. They haven't had a High Priest designate for over 2,000 years. They are even thinking of going against the United Nations and just rebuild their Temple on its original site. All I am basing this on and thinking towards is that this is ready and in place. Scripture claims the "Antichrist" [will stop] "Daily Sacrifice." That means, there will be a Temple, there will be Daily Sacrifice, it will stop at Mid-Trib, and the Antichrist will sit in this Temple pretending to be the "Messiah."

I not sure what you are trying to prove apart from the fact that a vocal minority of Jews want to build a Temple. Why would a Church want a Temple even a duplicate one? Does this Church recognise Jesus as Lord and Messiah?

 

[biker]

I not sure what you are trying to prove apart from the fact that a vocal minority of Jews want to build a Temple. Why would a Church want a Temple even a duplicate one? Does this Church recognise Jesus as Lord and Messiah?

Personally, I want the Temple rebuilt because it means the end of this wicked world is almost finished, and I will be with my Lord and Maker for all of Eternity.

 

[massorite]

Agreed. Peace is an effect....in effect. But very likely there be a truce of some kind therein as part of a multi-lateral, multi-national accord that will thrust the AC into super-stardom on the world political stage.

There are no physical bodies in Heaven sir...which is why the souls under the altar are under the altar and are given a white garment and told to wait...

I did not, nor did I say that Johnś physical body went up into Heaven...
Like all things, GOD shows us what will occur through signs and visions and visible things so that we can understand HIS HIGHER and HIDDEN and INVISIBLE SPIRITUAL TRUTHS that we can not be understood without HIM giving us some sort of sign...

John was given what he was given, but his command to come up here, and see what must come afterwards is NOT for John only...

I never said there were physical bodies in heaven. Didn't you read the scripture I quoted about flesh and blood can not inter into heaven?
The souls under the throne are just that. Souls! Not flesh.
"John was given what he was given, but his command to come up here, and see what must come afterwards is NOT for John only..."
Of course not and I never said it was for John Only. Where did you get that from?

 

[VCO]

I not sure what you are trying to prove apart from the fact that a vocal minority of Jews want to build a Temple. Why would a Church want a Temple even a duplicate one? Does this Church recognise Jesus as Lord and Messiah?

Because all true believers get Called Out to go to the WEDDING OF THE LAMB just before the Third Temple is FINISHED.

I already have my INVITE to GO TO THE WEDDING, in my HEART.

DO YOU ? ? ?

 

[VCO]

**slanderous quoted post removed**
You are denying scripture. if you say the New Covenant did not replace the old. Why judge people and expect not to be judged the same way?

TRUE O.T. Assembly - believed GOD, that the MESSIAH would Come to Pay for our SINS.

TRUE N.T. Assembly - believed GOD, that the MESSIAH did Come to Pay for our SINS.

WE HAVE THE EXACT SAME FAITH! That is what it means by the FAITH OF ABRAHAM.

John 10:16 (HCSB)
16 But I have other sheep that are not of this fold {Last of the Old Testament ASSEMBLY, are the PEOPLE HE is talking to about US the N.T. ASSEMBLY.}; I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. Then {At the RAPTURE.} there will be one flock, one shepherd.


GOD IS THE AUTHOR OF POETIC JUSTICE.
JUST THINK, GOD WOULD BE JUSTIFIED TO
PUT ONE JEW ON EITHER SIDE OF YOU,
AS WE STAND BEFORE THE THRONE OF GRACE.

 

[cv5]

the first 3.5 years is a time of peace. So peaceful. Israel is using their temple in war torn jerusalem and no one is against them.

The rest of the world must be living in some sort of peace also. As the antichrist has used peace and safety to gain control of the nations.

The tribulation, or time of Gods wrath, would occure after the abomination of desolation in Dan 9

I just conducted a little review. There is no reason to think that here is worldwide peace. Hell on earth is breaking out all over in fact.

 

[garee]

I just conducted a little review. There is no reason to think that here is worldwide peace. Hell on earth is breaking out all over in fact.

Hell began breaking out . . .You shalt surely not die.

The wrath of the greatest kind of tribulation death is being revealed from heaven. Men are carrying out the wage of sin suffering in bodies of death . The great tribulation the last days began When Jesus said it is finished . One like never before or ever again .The Jews that trusted in their own corrupted flesh are still crying out to the stones.. The spirit of the antichrist. They lost their value to deceive all the nations that they were Gods people they claim proven by what the eyes see the temporal no faith needed.

Why divide the tribulation that is already being revealed as the wrath of God as if it was not already being revealed daily?

Placing the things seen the visible in the invisible place of God who is not a man as us.(the abomination of desolation )

Jesus when was called Good Master knowing no man can serve two as his life demonstrated that he gave Glory to the father unseen and said one is Good. . God . Call no man on earth Teacher .One is the teacher the Holy anointing Spirit of God, Christ.

Is being revealed not will be.

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.Romans1: 18-25

 

[tanakh]

Personally, I want the Temple rebuilt because it means the end of this wicked world is almost finished, and I will be with my Lord and Maker for all of Eternity.

The timing of the second coming is in the hands of God. We will all be with our Lord and Maker at some point in our lives whether
a Temple is built in our Generation or not. Meanwhile our purpose here is to be a light in the world and bring the Gospel to the lost

 

[biker]

The timing of the second coming is in the hands of God. We will all be with our Lord and Maker at some point in our lives whether
a Temple is built in our Generation or not. Meanwhile our purpose here is to be a light in the world and bring the Gospel to the lost

Amen!

There is nothing you wrote that I can say or claim any different. My point in the prior post was out of "hope."

 

[Dave-L]

TRUE O.T. Assembly - believed GOD, that the MESSIAH would Come to Pay for our SINS.

TRUE N.T. Assembly - believed GOD, that the MESSIAH did Come to Pay for our SINS.

WE HAVE THE EXACT SAME FAITH! That is what it means by the FAITH OF ABRAHAM.

John 10:16 (HCSB)
16 But I have other sheep that are not of this fold {Last of the Old Testament ASSEMBLY, are the PEOPLE HE is talking to about US the N.T. ASSEMBLY.}; I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. Then {At the RAPTURE.} there will be one flock, one shepherd.


GOD IS THE AUTHOR OF POETIC JUSTICE.
JUST THINK, GOD WOULD BE JUSTIFIED TO
PUT ONE JEW ON EITHER SIDE OF YOU,
AS WE STAND BEFORE THE THRONE OF GRACE.

But, a third temple makes the blood of Christ worthless. Even if it never happens, you still deny the blood of Christ.

 

[garee]

Yes you are correct. But we need to remember that millions and millions of believers have been killed during the last 2000 years. The all died for their testimony and they all did not love their own lives even to the death. So even before the coming period of Tribulation gets here there are already who knows (God knows) how many souls who have died who are under the throne of God crying out and saying
How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
I believe that those souls under the throne of God are all of the saints who have already suffered great tribulation and died because of the name of Christ. The early church suffered great tribulation over a period of 300 years off and on again at the hands of the Romans.
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellows servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
I believe that the "fellow servants" spoken of in Rev. 6:11 are us who are living in this day and time. millions of us will be persecuted and killed during a period of great tribulation in the future and as we die we also will be gathered under the throne of God until the time of our persecution should be fulfilled.

It seems you are adding tribulation to the tribulation and time periods to time periods .God works the same in all ages and periods . Purifying the hearts of all men by a work of His faith that works in us to do His will.

Mankind is not what we are to divide God does not literally number souls . When David performed that many lives were lost .

We walk by faith the unseen eternal . Not as those who are the number according to the measure of man . 1 = 1 The souls under dead alseep is the golden reed of measurement . The measure of faith (the unseen )

2 Corinthians 10:12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.

We walk by faith. Not of the number. or numbered.

One day is as if it was a thousand years .God is not subject to our time periods. For as David was moved to declare in the Palms. A thousand years in His sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.. . a twinkling of the eye.Or Solomon in Ecc. though he live a thousand years twice over, yet has he seen no good: do not all go to one place? thousand equaling a unknown .No need to know as those who are of the number.

All the soul of the redeemed are signified by a number no man could count. 144,000 to represent the chaste virgin bride the Church (Revelation 21).

She is made of of many lively stones.God does not give out literal numbers in parables.

Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Beautiful picture of His chaste virgin bride bride in Revelation 12. Looking back at mankind from the heavenly perspective no temple there..

 

[miknik5]

I never said there were physical bodies in heaven. Didn't you read the scripture I quoted about flesh and blood can not inter into heaven?
The souls under the throne are just that. Souls! Not flesh.
"John was given what he was given, but his command to come up here, and see what must come afterwards is NOT for John only..."
Of course not and I never said it was for John Only. Where did you get that from?

Why does it seem that you do not answer with a clear response....you implied that somehow I was confused when I said, John was told to come up here and you respond, flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom...

As if somehow I thought that John went up into heaven in his physical body...that was the only conclusion I came to from your response.

 

[miknik5]

John does not represent the church in Rev 4:1 and there is no scripture to prove that he was a representative of the church. The idea that Rev 4:1 represents the resurrection of the church before the very events that John had visions about is a made up, non biblical doctrinal belief created by those who would perpetuate the Pre Tribulation resurrection doctrinal belief. Proof that it is a false belief is that there are no scriptures to re enforce that belief. The Apostle John lived for many years after he finished the book of Revelations.
Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
Yes but the physical body of John did not go up into heaven. He was translated up to heaven in the spirit and he didn't stay in heaven, he was sent back. Otherwise he would never have been able to write down on parchment his visions. John was imprisoned on the island of Potmos when he had his visions and wrote the book of Revelation.
Rev 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Some believe he died of natural causes. However no one knoews if he died on Potmos or was released from prison and died some place else.
Rev 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
No flesh and blood can not go into heaven.
1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Here is your response...I highlighted the portions of your response which led me to believe that you thought I was suggesting that John had gone up into heaven in his fleshly body.

 

[VCO]

It seems you are adding tribulation to the tribulation and time periods to time periods .God works the same in all ages and periods . Purifying the hearts of all men by a work of His faith that works in us to do His will.

Mankind is not what we are to divide God does not literally number souls . When David performed that many lives were lost .

We walk by faith the unseen eternal . Not as those who are the number according to the measure of man . 1 = 1 The souls under dead alseep is the golden reed of measurement . The measure of faith (the unseen )

2 Corinthians 10:12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.

We walk by faith. Not of the number. or numbered.

One day is as if it was a thousand years .God is not subject to our time periods. For as David was moved to declare in the Palms. A thousand years in His sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.. . a twinkling of the eye.Or Solomon in Ecc. though he live a thousand years twice over, yet has he seen no good: do not all go to one place? thousand equaling a unknown .No need to know as those who are of the number.

All the soul of the redeemed are signified by a number no man could count. 144,000 to represent the chaste virgin bride the Church (Revelation 21).

She is made of of many lively stones.God does not give out literal numbers in parables.

Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Beautiful picture of His chaste virgin bride bride in Revelation 12. Looking back at mankind from the heavenly perspective no temple there..

GOD IS NOT FINISHED WITH ISRAEL!

You Are TOTALLY WRONG. YES you are CONFUSING Prophesies about the Bride of Christ in our immortal BODIES,
which the MORTAL Bodies of the 144,000 and their Descendants.


Do NOT USE THIS THREAD to advance your FALSE TEACHING, and PROPAGANDA ANY MORE.
START YOUR OWN THREAD.


Ezekiel 37:24-25 (HCSB)
24 My servant David will be king over them, and there will be one shepherd for all of them. They will follow My ordinances, and keep My statutes and obey them.
25 “They will live in the land that I gave to My servant Jacob, where your fathers lived. They will live in it forever with their children and grandchildren, and My servant David will be their prince forever.


Ezekiel 37:26-28 (HCSB)
26 I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting covenant with them. I will establish and multiply them and
will set My sanctuary among them forever.
27 My dwelling place will be with them; I will be their God, and they will be My people.
28 When My sanctuary is among them forever, the nations will know that I, Yahweh, sanctify Israel.”


QUOTE:
And the heathen shall know that I the Lord do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore
[Ezek. 37:28].

This is going to come to pass -- it has not yet come to pass.

"When my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore." There will be a millennial temple for an eternal temple down here on the earth. In Revelation where it speaks of there not being a temple, it is referring to the New Jerusalem, which is where the church will be and which is not to be upon this earth. The eternal home of the children of Israel will be upon this earth, and God's temple will be in their midst. Although there is no doubt that Israel is the subject of Ezekiel, and especially of chapters 37 -- 39, we can certainly make an application of it for our personal lives.

Thru The Bible with J. Vernon McGee. END QUOTE.

QUOTE:
The visible reminder of God's presence will be His sanctuary, His dwelling place. Then again God added, I will be their God, and they will be My people (cf. 11:20; 14:11; 36:28; 37:23). These promises anticipate the detailed plans for God's new sanctuary (chaps. 40-43). This literal structure will serve as a visual object lesson to Israel and the nations of God's presence in the midst of His people.
The Bible Knowledge Commentary: An Exposition of the Scriptures by Dallas Seminary Faculty. END QUOTE.

 

[Dave-L]

GOD IS NOT FINISHED WITH ISRAEL!

You Are TOTALLY WRONG. YES you are CONFUSING Prophesies about the Bride of Christ in our immortal BODIES,
which the MORTAL Bodies of the 144,000 and their Descendants.


Do NOT USE THIS THREAD to advance your FALSE TEACHING, and PROPAGANDA ANY MORE.
START YOUR OWN THREAD.


Ezekiel 37:24-25 (HCSB)
24 My servant David will be king over them, and there will be one shepherd for all of them. They will follow My ordinances, and keep My statutes and obey them.
25 “They will live in the land that I gave to My servant Jacob, where your fathers lived. They will live in it forever with their children and grandchildren, and My servant David will be their prince forever.


Ezekiel 37:26-28 (HCSB)
26 I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting covenant with them. I will establish and multiply them and
will set My sanctuary among them forever.
27 My dwelling place will be with them; I will be their God, and they will be My people.
28 When My sanctuary is among them forever, the nations will know that I, Yahweh, sanctify Israel.”


QUOTE:
And the heathen shall know that I the Lord do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore
[Ezek. 37:28].

This is going to come to pass -- it has not yet come to pass.

"When my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore." There will be a millennial temple for an eternal temple down here on the earth. In Revelation where it speaks of there not being a temple, it is referring to the New Jerusalem, which is where the church will be and which is not to be upon this earth. The eternal home of the children of Israel will be upon this earth, and God's temple will be in their midst. Although there is no doubt that Israel is the subject of Ezekiel, and especially of chapters 37 -- 39, we can certainly make an application of it for our personal lives.

Thru The Bible with J. Vernon McGee. END QUOTE.

QUOTE:
The visible reminder of God's presence will be His sanctuary, His dwelling place. Then again God added, I will be their God, and they will be My people (cf. 11:20; 14:11; 36:28; 37:23). These promises anticipate the detailed plans for God's new sanctuary (chaps. 40-43). This literal structure will serve as a visual object lesson to Israel and the nations of God's presence in the midst of His people.
The Bible Knowledge Commentary: An Exposition of the Scriptures by Dallas Seminary Faculty. END QUOTE.

In scripture Jesus is Israel revealed in the New Covenant. Only believers make up his body.

A third temple rejects his death on the cross and reinstitutes animal sacrifices that cannot save.

 

[John146]

In scripture Jesus is Israel revealed in the New Covenant. Only believers make up his body.

A third temple rejects his death on the cross and reinstitutes animal sacrifices that cannot save.

But the Jews did reject Jesus. Why wouldn’t they want their temple rebuilt?

 

[Dave-L]

But the Jews did reject Jesus. Why wouldn’t they want their temple rebuilt?

They will probably rebuild it. But it's not Ezekiel's temple. Christ fulfilled his temple in himself. And animal sacrifices can only bring God continued wrath upon them.

 

[massorite]

In scripture Jesus is Israel revealed in the New Covenant. Only believers make up his body.

A third temple rejects his death on the cross and reinstitutes animal sacrifices that cannot save.

We need to remember that the Israel as a people and a nation have never recognized Christ as the son of God who died on the cross for their sins. John146 is correct! Just because a third temple is built doesn't mean that true believers are rejecting the Sacrifice made for us.
It means that if the Word of God says that there will be another Temple built it will happen and God has His reasons for doing it. The antichrist will bring all three religions together in peace and all three have a claim on the Temple mount. Right now in Jerusalem there is a group called "The Temple Mount Faithful" look it up. They have already recreated the instruments needed to go back to animal sacrifice according to the instruction given to Moses in the book of Exodus. They are a non Messianic Jews who reject Christ as the son of God.
But even though the temple will be rebuilt the animal sacrifice will never take place because scripture says,
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
The antichrist must have a temple to sit in before he can sit in it and declare to the world that he is god.
Building a new temple doesn't have anything to do with the rejection of the sacrifice that Christ gave for us and everything to do with fulfilling prophetic scripture. Srcipture tells us that God will send great delusion and a new temple would be part of that great delusion.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.