The Word and the Spirit are God. You do not control Him, He must control you or you fail to be transformed.
Things that jeopardize salvation
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The Word and the Spirit are God. You do not control Him, He must control you or you fail to be transformed.
Answer my question. David went to the end of the Earth to try to get away from God so did Jonah. I know that I have God within me, always talking to me, whether I mess up or not. I question whether you do, and how would I get God out of me or how would I get him to leave me alone? How would I get God to stop talking to me and stop pulling me toward him whether I want to or not in a sense. How do I get unborn?
And then I guess the question is after you’ve received the baptism in the Holy Spirit, how do you get unbaptized in the Holy Spirit?
Then, if you die and go to heaven, how do you get out of heaven?
Possibly not in the verbal but in sin offering according to the law the example is clear.
Jesus died according to scripture.
Well, you got through the list with only a degree of attacks. Soon heading into dangerous territory in this exploration.
Agreed. A lot of such opportunity in theology. Oddly makes sense since growth is a goal.
Jesus answered, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick.” Luke 5 v 31 The Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost. Luke 19 v 10 For the Son of Man came to save the lost. Matthew 18 v 11 I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners. Matthew 9 v 13b, Mark 2 v 17b I will seek the lost, bring back the strays, bind up the broken, and strengthen the weak; but the sleek and strong I will destroy. Ezekiel 34 v 16
Then I guess you will never be caught DUI, driving under the influence of the Spirit.
1 Corinthians 6:19
Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?
This is now the second time your wording suggests to me you do not think the Holy Spirit is God. Could you please clarify for me whether you do indeed think the Holy Spirit is not the third person of the Trinity?
Do you think the high priest saw anyone sitting on the mercy seat when he went into the holy of holies on the day of atonement? No he did not. God dwells in his temple through his spirit.
Yes, the holy spirit is one with the Godhead.
Hebrews 3:7-8
New International Version
7 So, as the Holy Spirit says:
“Today, if you hear his voice,
8 do not harden your hearts
as you did in the rebellion,
during the time of testing in the wilderness,
New International Version
7 So, as the Holy Spirit says:
“Today, if you hear his voice,
8 do not harden your hearts
as you did in the rebellion,
during the time of testing in the wilderness,
And His temple now are our bodies ergo, God is in us. And as Jesus said, the Spirit is like the wind. You don't see the wind but you are aware of it's effects. Jn.3:8 In the same way, we do not see the Spirit so I think your comment about the High Priest is a tad silly tbh.
1 Corinthians 6:19
Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath,strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21
So:
So:
- Who is Paul explaining this to?
- Is "do such things" in this version a good translation?
- Why do such sins jeopardize or not jeopardize salvation?
Practice is a better translation than do
G4238 πράσσω prasso (pras'-sō) v.
1. to practice, i.e. perform repeatedly or habitually.
I have an inkling that what you mean by salvation is not the same thing as what I may mean when it comes specifically to this issue of the way believers live.
A carnal lifestyle for a believer means loss of the sanctification part of salvation. It does not effect your salvation from spiritual death. You remain alive spiritually whether you sin or not because Christ covered all our sins (causing death) into His death. There is no sin a believer can commit that would cause their spirit to return to God and see them dead in their sin once more. If it were so, then Christ did not die for our sin.
For me, the issue isn't whether one can or cannot lose salvation, the real issue is "are you in Christ?" (that's you in the general sense not you personally). What does that mean? Why is it so and how does it work out? I think these are the issues we should be discussing.
my 5c worth.
I'm glad you used Strong's to begin.
BDAG and others note the sense of accomplishing, so the concept of completing.
Friberg is interesting: 1) transitively; (a) of pressing through on an action carry out, do, accomplish; (b) predominately with a negative evaluation commit, do; (c) as denoting intense preoccupation with something busy oneself with, practice.
The sense is this intense, repeated, habitual preoccupation and accomplishing.
It seems to me that Paul is making a very strong point here as he builds to his concluding statement.