There will be no Rapture!!!
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Does this look familiar to you?
Hebrews 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the Holy of Holies by the blood of Jesus,
The KJV doesn't have that, and that's what I learned from, but I may have read that verse in another translation
Could be. Ask me later my friend. Don't want to derail the thread.
So He's a disembodied spirit in heaven? So much for getting a body like His.
Philippians 3:21
who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.
Once again, spiritualizing everything and ignoring the practical realities.
<shrug>You and I will not agree. Best to leave it here I think.
grace and peace.
No, of course not, but he is the head and we are his body. One spirit similar to how a man and woman are one flesh
As I said, when Christ says he comes back his location is the Earth so that's where we would be with him. There is no taking anyone anywhere in the text after he has returned.
The " no rapture" gang has a serious dilemma on their hands when they basically are saying to us all that they are NOT sealed by Holy Spirit unto salvation right now, because those of that crowd who do end up left behind here on earth after the rapture, and end up taking the mark, they will indeed not be saved, thus nullifying any assumption that they were ever sealed by Holy Spirit unto salvation before the rapture. Either that, or they believe that Holy Spirit has a very weak grasp upon those whom were/are sealed by His own Power. I mean, how powerless do they think the Lord is if He cannot seal us unto salvation?
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The pre-trib rapture is a rupture of sound doctrine. The only rapture that will exist is a pre-wrath rapture when the 7th trumpet sounds. So I dub thee pre-trib rupture, which will probably happen to many pre-tribbers faith when they realize it's a lie
Do you honestly think we are that shallow that such a thing would destroy our faith?
I'm pretty sure I can speak for the others here when I say we have complete confidence in the sure and certain hope of the Resurrection and if our timing did happen to prove wrong? We will not be shaken from our hope.
What I meant was that many will probably be offended when the trumpets start sounding and they realize that their happy escape to heaven isn't coming.
And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. Matthew 24:10
And once again your lack of understanding of your brothers and sisters in Christ is sadly woeful if this is what you think.
There's as much integrity in the idea of there being no rapture as there is in the idea that altruism is a morally uplifting ethic and sound philosophy.
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This makes no sense. Have you never seen people who call themselves Christians, but have absolutely no idea who Christ is and in works deny him?
Most who claim to be Christian aren't really, though they may love the Lord we have been horribly mislead since Constantine blended paganism with true worship.
His command to His Own was to heal, raise,cleanse, etc. , a begrudged hour of "playing church" once a week on the day previously reserved to worship a pagan god, and not the true Sabbath just doesn't cut it.
blessings
His command to His Own was to heal, raise,cleanse, etc. , a begrudged hour of "playing church" once a week on the day previously reserved to worship a pagan god, and not the true Sabbath just doesn't cut it.
blessings
As an Israeli, I can say that we are blessed under the Gospel of Grace to not have to observe the sabbath. We Messianics enjoy sabbaticals when we can, and work when we must.
MM
You are not discussing the Rapture with such people. We don't call you lot masochists who prefer to fix your sights on the Earth's sufferings and woes than the glory of heaven. So don't try to call us cop outs or escapists who are nothing more than a bunch of shallow cowards because that is exactly what your statement inferred.
The reality is we have both come to the conclusions we have because of how we interpret the scriptures. It does not in anyway mean either one of us are "fair weather believers", therefore think a little clearer before you open your mouth next time to speak ill of those who disagree with you. Thankyou.
grace and peace.
I wasn't talking about you. I was referring to Christians In Name Only (CINO) who believe in the rapture.
This seemed only to generate the snooty, holier than thou spirit in churchgoers, a body of the **EDITED**.
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