There will be no Rapture!!!

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Or a link to what you quoted from would be nice. That might have the actual quotes I seek

 

[The_Parson]

Posting the actual quotes so I can review them would be nice. I suspect they are referring to pre-wrath removal and the tribulation that precedes that, but something gets lost in the wording/translation, or it is assumed or read into the text to be pre-trib removal by someone.

Church history can drive one nut's sometimes with placing concepts and that with other ideologies can be mind boggling. Amen...

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

You seem quite the literalist.

Literalist meaning actualist, that is correct. Literal can mean natural or spiritual depending on the context and the author's actual intent

 

[The_Parson]

Or a link to what you quoted from would be nice. That might have the actual quotes I seek

Some things will have an internet link, and some are right here in my noggin, notes and such. I'll do what I can.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Some things will have an internet link, and some are right here in my noggin, notes and such. I'll do what I can.

That's OK, don't trouble yourself. Not that important to me. I just kind of follow where my nose leads me sometimes

 

[The_Parson]

Or a link to what you quoted from would be nice. That might have the actual quotes I seek

Sure, how about this? The Epistle of Barnabas (translation J.B. Lightfoot)

 

[The_Parson]

That's OK, don't trouble yourself. Not that important to me. I just kind of follow where my nose leads me sometimes

Sorry, you posted about the same time I did.

 

[sawdust]

After he comes back, TO THE EARTH, he does not say he takes anyone anywhere. We will be where he is, which is the Earth.

No mate, He's in heaven. The earth is where He comes back to, not where He is.

 

[sawdust]

Christ ascended twice in fulfillment of the day of atonement in which the high priest would enter the holy of holies twice, first with blood for himself, then with blood for his people. So likewise, first Christ ascended to God to present his blood as proof of his death, returned to earth and then ascended again later to make reconciliation for his people, where he still remains. Notice that before his first ascension he tells Mary not to touch him, but after he exits heaven and returns to earth he instructs his disciples to touch him. He remained on earth for 40 days teaching the disciples and then entered the holy of holies the 2nd time in Acts 1, where he will remain until he exits the holy of holies to send off the scapegoat into the lake of fire and execute judgment on the world, ie day of wrath

Nice theory.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

op: No rapture?
Yes, there will not be "no" rapture:

IOW: There Will Be "The Body Of Christ Catching Up For Judgment/Assigning of ruling/reigning positions" Vacated by the evil angels when they fall to the earth in the Great Tribulation!:

Rightly Divided Distinction # 21:

 

[sawdust]

The text doesn't say he will take us somewhere, it says he will receive us, ie, accept us, so that we can be with him. A badly translated word is leading you astray

G3880 παραλαμβάνω paralambano (pa-ra-lam-ɓa'-nō) v.
1. to receive near, i.e. associate with oneself (in any familiar or intimate act or relation).

And a badly preconceived idea is leading you astray. Our citizenship is in heaven, it is where Christ is preparing our eternal home, it is where He is. He said He would receive us where He is, not where we are. We have already been received where we are for it is Christ that lives in us. We have yet to be received into Heaven where our home is being prepared.

 

[The_Parson]

Holy of Holies

Where in the Bible, any Bible do we find this term? Just curious...

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

And a badly preconceived idea is leading you astray. Our citizenship is in heaven, it is where Christ is preparing our eternal home, it is where He is. He said He would receive us where He is, not where we are. We have already been received where we are for it is Christ that lives in us. We have yet to be received into Heaven where our home is being prepared.

The kingdom of God/heaven is within us, which means it is on earth and he is one earth in us, ie, his body.

 

[sawdust]

Where in the Bible, any Bible do we find this term? Just curious...

I think you have the wrong poster. I think you meant to quote post #3325.

 

[The_Parson]

I think you have the wrong poster. I think you meant to quote post #3325.

You're right. Sorry about that... I'm correcting that mistake...

Christ ascended twice in fulfillment of the day of atonement in which the high priest would enter the holy of holies twice, first with blood for himself, then with blood for his people. So likewise, first Christ ascended to God to present his blood as proof of his death, returned to earth and then ascended again later to make reconciliation for his people, where he still remains. Notice that before his first ascension he tells Mary not to touch him, but after he exits heaven and returns to earth he instructs his disciples to touch him. He remained on earth for 40 days teaching the disciples and then entered the holy of holies the 2nd time in Acts 1, where he will remain until he exits the holy of holies to send off the scapegoat into the lake of fire and execute judgment on the world, ie day of wrath

ChristRoseFromTheDead, where in the Bible, any Bible do we find this term "holy of holies"? Just curious...

 

[sawdust]

The kingdom of God/heaven is within us, which means it is on earth and he is one earth in us, ie, his body.

So He's not coming back? He's here to stay or is He going to have a third ascension?

Christ lives in us by means of His word, He is not physically here on the earth. He went away so the Spirit could come and literally live in us. We are the temple of God by means of the indwelling Holy Spirit.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Where in the Bible, any Bible do we find this term? Just curious...

That's a really good question. That's what I've always called it, so I assumed it was in the bible, but I can't find it except in the LXX. But it is an accurate translation of both the Hebrew and Greek (άγια αγίων), I just don't know where I got it from.

And thou shalt put the veil on the posts, and thou shalt carry in thither within the veil the ark of the testimony; and the veil shall make a separation for you between the holy and the holy of holies. Exodus 26:33 (LXX)​

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[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

From Exodus 26:34

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

So He's not coming back? He's here to stay or is He going to have a third ascension?

Christ lives in us by means of His word, He is not physically here on the earth. He went away so the Spirit could come and literally live in us. We are the temple of God by means of the indwelling Holy Spirit.

His body is here to stay until the resurrection/translation, but he himself will remain in heaven until the 7th trumpet, at which point he returns and remains forever, and is joined by God the father 1000 years later when the new Jerusalem touches down after the earth has been cleansed of all evil.

 

[The_Parson]

That's a really good question. That's what I've always called it, so I assumed it was in the bible, but I can't find it except in the LXX. But it is an accurate translation of both the Hebrew and Greek (άγια αγίων), I just don't know where I got it from.

And thou shalt put the veil on the posts, and thou shalt carry in thither within the veil the ark of the testimony; and the veil shall make a separation for you between the holy and the holy of holies. Exodus 26:33 (LXX)​

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Could it have been something hidden in your heart? Or maybe you remember it from a thread on this board. This is a list of threads I found searching the forum:

• A look at Leviticus 16; "Entering into the HOLY of Holies"
• Holy of Holies...
• The Most Holy Place
• How to enter the Holy of Holies