There will be no Rapture!!!

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FollowerofShiloh said:
Notice the whole world is getting their butts kicked so it can't be just 2 people as witnesses. It's as I explained to effect the whole world.
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The tragedies and death across the whole earth is not just what the two witnesses are doing. The idea that the two witnesses are hosts of people...poppycock! The olive trees supply the fruit for the oil that fuels the lamps whose light shines through the two witnesses. Pushing typologies to the extreme as you have only leads to further difficulties, as we are seeing here in your eschatology while you wiggle around trying to make it all sensible.

MM
 
Genez said:
Dear Follower of Shallow.....

Enjoy your own tribulation.

The First Church of the Masochist will be holding its first summer school service on Wednesday at 8 PM..
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That was funny I still am wiping the tears away from laughing so hard (y)
 
Musicmaster said:
The tragedies and death across the whole earth is not just what the two witnesses are doing. The idea that the two witnesses are hosts of people...poppycock! The olive trees supply the fruit for the oil that fuels the lamps whose light shines through the two witnesses. Pushing typologies to the extreme as you have only leads to further difficulties, as we are seeing here in your eschatology while you wiggle around trying to make it all sensible.

MM
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You don't know if the bowls and vials are related to the Witnesses or not because it does not say that.
 
Musicmaster said:
You really are selective in your responses, and in taking in the entire panorama of the day of the Lord. It is the Hand of Yahshuah who is opening those seals, releasing the horsemen, which bring the horrid calamities upon the world through the power emanating from the Lord. Those horsemen are not the witnesses, nor is there any mention for them being tied to the witnesses, nor are the trumpets tied to the witnesses. It is said that the witnesses can and do stop the rains from happening in accordance with their own will, but the rest of it all, it is directly from the Hand of the Lord and under the direction of Him directly.

So, can you answer the question or not? Where is there any comfort in any of that?

Anyone else?

MM
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The Day of the Lord is the Second Coming. Always has meant that in Eschatology.
 
So, the silly interpretation of the typologies of the olive trees and the two lampstands within the image of the two witnesses, as them instead being hosts of followers of Yahshuah all across the earth, both Gentiles and Jews, will be out there witnessing to the world during the tribulation, and killing anyone who dares try to harm them.

One of many problems that view creates for those who follow it is that, allegedly, witnessing has taken on a whole new dimension in the tribulation period...meaning that, rather than to suffer for the testimony of Christ as a host of witnesses for the Lord as was the case through century after century up TO the tribulation, the tribulation period in the first half, the Lord will THEN have His plethora of witnesses killing their adversaries rather than losing their lives at the hands of the naysayers.

That is such a MASSIVE character shift within the deity the followers of that belief claim is the originator of that belief. Meanwhile, the Yah described in the Bible said that He does not change.

Where do we see Yah claiming to have gone through such a massive character shift in His dealings with the more aggressive of the unsaved?

MM
 
FollowerofShiloh said:
You don't know if the bowls and vials are related to the Witnesses or not because it does not say that.
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Now you're arguing from silence in favor of a contrived presupposition. Come on! Are you really so willing to protect an inferior interpretation on that basis? Are you saying that Yah is so lacking in His ability to draw His own lines of parallel within the text without someone like you coming along and drawing them on the basis of mere suggestion?

MM
 
Musicmaster said:
So, the silly interpretation of the typologies of the olive trees and the two lampstands within the image of the two witnesses, as them instead being hosts of followers of Yahshuah all across the earth, both Gentiles and Jews, will be out there witnessing to the world during the tribulation, and killing anyone who dares try to harm them.

One of many problems that view creates for those who follow it is that, allegedly, witnessing has taken on a whole new dimension in the tribulation period...meaning that, rather than to suffer for the testimony of Christ as a host of witnesses for the Lord as was the case through century after century up TO the tribulation, the tribulation period in the first half, the Lord will THEN have His plethora of witnesses killing their adversaries rather than losing their lives at the hands of the naysayers.

That is such a MASSIVE character shift within the deity the followers of that belief claim is the originator of that belief. Meanwhile, the Yah described in the Bible said that He does not change.

Where do we see Yah claiming to have gone through such a massive character shift in His dealings with the more aggressive of the unsaved?

MM
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How can the whole world be effected by 2 people as witnesses and know when they die to celebrate. We don't know things like that now so it makes no sense it would be known then. The AC don't even force the Mark until the 2nd half. The HEBREW explanation of Olive Tree and Lampstand means whole congregations. Whole congregations would keep the whole world in this type of knowledge than anything else.

It's simple logic which the pre-trib Rapture is completely void of. It's not even Biblically logical.
 
With all those dead saints in just the first half of the tribulation standing before the throne in chapter 7 of Revelation, which John described as being beyond numbering, how did THEY die? Did a bunch of vagabonds have fire extinguishers to douse the flames from their mouths while trying to defend themselves against martyrdom? Oh, I get it. They are the resulting converts from those pre-tribulation people who DID have the ability to kill their adversaries, and the new converts will have no such power...right? Oh, this just keeps getting better and better all the time...

MM
 
Musicmaster said:
Now you're arguing from silence in favor of a contrived presupposition. Come on! Are you really so willing to protect an inferior interpretation on that basis? Are you saying that Yah is so lacking in His ability to draw His own lines of parallel within the text without someone like you coming along and drawing them on the basis of mere suggestion?

MM
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God works through us now. Why would that change?
 
Musicmaster said:
With all those dead saints in just the first half of the tribulation standing before the throne in chapter 7 of Revelation, which John described as being beyond numbering, how did THEY die? Did a bunch of vagabonds have fire extinguishers to douse the flames from their mouths while trying to defend themselves against martyrdom? Oh, I get it. They are the resulting converts from those pre-tribulation people who DID have the ability to kill their adversaries, and the new converts will have no such power...right? Oh, this just keeps getting better and better all the time...

MM
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When are the Saints Dead?
 
FollowerofShiloh said:
How can the whole world be effected by 2 people as witnesses and know when they die to celebrate. We don't know things like that now so it makes no sense it would be known then. The AC don't even force the Mark until the 2nd half. The HEBREW explanation of Olive Tree and Lampstand means whole congregations. Whole congregations would keep the whole world in this type of knowledge than anything else.

It's simple logic which the pre-trib Rapture is completely void of. It's not even Biblically logical.
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Your lack of vision for even what is happening today, that speaks loud volumes to your willful blindness. Look at Israel today. It is a stamp-sized country that has the entire world up in arms against them, with the rest of the world defending the terrorists who raped, tortured, burned and killed babies, children, parents and the old and infirmed, and you wonder how two men unable to be killed can stir up the world against them...the very two men who can seal up the heavens so that rain ceases to fall on the crops of the world?

Man, you really need to start rethinking your beliefs of all this stuff.

MM
 
FollowerofShiloh said:
God works through us now. Why would that change?
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Really? How many adversaries have you or any other other true believer today breathed fire at to kill in order to defend against adversaries? Are you really this unwilling to broaden the scope of your understanding and think more critically about your pet beliefs?

MM
 
Musicmaster said:
Your lack of vision for even what is happening today, that speaks loud volumes to your willful blindness. Look at Israel today. It is a stamp-sized country that has the entire world up in arms against them, with the rest of the world defending the terrorists who raped, tortured, burned and killed babies, children, parents and the old and infirmed, and you wonder how two men unable to be killed can stir up the world against them...the very two men who can seal up the heavens so that rain ceases to fall on the crops of the world?

Man, you really need to start rethinking your beliefs of all this stuff.

MM
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Being Practical and not living off of a fantasy that cannot be found in the Bible like pre-trib Rapture.
 
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Musicmaster said:
Really? How many adversaries have you or any other other true believer today breathed fire at to kill in order to defend against adversaries? Are you really this unwilling to broaden the scope of your understanding and think more critically about your pet beliefs?

MM
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Every day I get out of bed all of Hell is on alert. How many people have you preached to and led to Jesus this year?
 
FollowerofShiloh said:
Every day I get out of bed all of Hell is on alert. How many people have you preached to and led to Jesus this year?
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Oh wow. We have an evangelist here who wants to tout his numbers, which is something that a TRUE evangelist would never do on his worst day.

What a pathetic way of dealing with questions you can't answer without derisive doubletalk!

Figures!

2 Peter 3:3-4
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as [they were] from the beginning of the creation.

MM
 
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