There will be no Rapture!!!

[The_Watchers_2017]

The "secret" is only hidden from unbelievers. But believers know that when "the fulness of the Gentiles" is accomplished within the Church, the Rapture will take place. When that will happen is is God's hands. See Romans 11.
Actually we do know when the Tribulation will actually begin. It will begin with the start of the reign of the Antichrist. See Revelation 12 and 13.

that still does not help anyone.

i said, if Jesus said He Returns on 1st Day of Tribulation. Who knows when that day is [[until]] it ""literally and factually"" happens, other than God knows.

No One knows, so it is a SECRET to EVERYONE, including Believers.

Sinners and Saved both know EQUALLY when Jesus will Return! Nope, we don't!

even if Jesus said I come day 1 Tribulation.

No One can think right now and say, ok, Tribulation begins here: No One knows and it is IMPOSSIBLE to know when that day will happen. so, your point made, is only something you created for your own consciousness, because, no one has the advantage of literally knowing when Jesus Returns.

It's literally and Equally RAINING on both the Just and Unjust in your theory.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

joe says, ill be there tomorrow.
we all know tomorrow, joe, will be here

but if Jesus said I return Day 1 Tribulation
NO ONE KNOWS, because, NO ONE can possibly know when Tribulation begins.

so, we are all in the same boat.


the difference is, the SAVED, are LOOKING for the Return of Jesus, the Unsaved, are not.

 

[Cameron143]

joe says, ill be there tomorrow.
we all know tomorrow, joe, will be here

but if Jesus said I return Day 1 Tribulation
NO ONE KNOWS, because NO ONE can possibly know when Tribulation begins.

so, we are all in the same boat.

That's the problem. People are in boats and God said no more floods.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

That's the problem. People are in boats and God said no more floods.

yes, He did indeed say that!

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

here's the real question:

we know, not until Daily Sacrifice ends [day 1290], the AC, will claim he is God

but before then, he will just be a Ruler on Earth.

as a Ruler on Earth, he makes a 1 week covenant with Israel.

then at midpoint, claims he is God.


So, until the entire World is under the Leadership of ONE MAN, before he claims to be God, how will we KNOW until the World becomes led by One Man?

We won't know, until that DAY, when one man Rules Earth and Nations.

So, we can say, yes, Trib begins with AC in Power.

But, we still don't specifically know when that day or hour happens [[UNTIL]] it happens.

 

[bluto]

Lol.....honestly, that what you came up with huh?
You have been quoting Daniel till the cows come home, misapplying it to Christians and the rapture.
And I have to actually type this post to mentally que you into the connection that I am making to your earlier posts.
All of which are leading you to erroneous assumptions and conclusions.

Hopeless.

Are you still at it cv5? Btw, how that go with you wanting to turn in and ban all the post tribbers in the world?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

some have been following Russia and this past 1 year conflict awaiting for them to attack Israel and kick off Ezekiel 38.

here, they were certain Putin was taking us to that point.

but ukraine is starting to phase itself out of the war.

most likely, Putin, will pull back and rebuild the weapons he lost.

but one day, it will happen, Russia, will attack Israel.

Then we know, the One World Leader/AC will be arriving soon.

but as of this very second, that scenario could be another 5 years or more away.

therefore, we don't know anything at all by this issue between Russia and Ukraine, as in, if it is tied to Biblical Prophecy.

as of right now, it does not.

 

[Inquisitor]

here's the real question:

we know, not until Daily Sacrifice ends [day 1290], the AC, will claim he is God

but before then, he will just be a Ruler on Earth.

as a Ruler on Earth, he makes a 1 week covenant with Israel.

then at midpoint, claims he is God.


So, until the entire World is under the Leadership of ONE MAN, before he claims to be God, how will we KNOW until the World becomes led by One Man?

We won't know, until that DAY, when one man Rules Earth and Nations.

So, we can say, yes, Trib begins with AC in Power.

But, we still don't specifically know when that day or hour happens [[UNTIL]] it happens.

In order for a daily sacrifice to end, the daily sacrifice must have first started.

I do not see a generation on social media showing any interest, in the law of Moses.

The false prophet will be pulling all the strings during the end times. The false prophet introduces the mark.
The false prophet forces you to worship the image off the beast.

Try reading the text.

 

[Musicmaster]

One thing is for sure...whoever WANTS to stay here for the Tribulation, they are free to do so.

As for me, I pray the prayer Christ commanded concerning the Harpazo!

MM

 

[LightOfMyLife]

One thing is for sure...whoever WANTS to stay here for the Tribulation, they are free to do so.

As for me, I pray the prayer Christ commanded concerning the Harpazo!

MM

I am ready to go before the tribulation because I believe in the Pre-Trib. Come Quickly, Lord Jesus!

 

[ewq1938]

The false prophet will be pulling all the strings during the end times. The false prophet introduces the mark.
The false prophet forces you to worship the image off the beast.

Because the false prophet is the antichrist, also Paul's man of sin. Both perform miracles to deceive.

 

[ewq1938]

One thing is for sure...whoever WANTS to stay here for the Tribulation, they are free to do so.

As for me, I pray the prayer Christ commanded concerning the Harpazo!

This one?

John 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them [tereo ek] from the evil one.

Jesus did not pray that God would take people out of this world to keep them from the evil one. That means Jesus does not approve of rapturing people out of this world to protect them from the evil one. Since Jesus does not approve of that then why do you (anyone reading that believes in a pre-trib rapture that takes people out of this world to keep them from the evil one) support such a concept?

No one is going to be taken out of the world so they can be "kept" from the evil one. That's not how God does things. The rapture is not an exception to that.

 

[ewq1938]

I am ready to go before the tribulation because I believe in the Pre-Trib. Come Quickly, Lord Jesus!

Careful. A false jesus will be coming first and a false jesus can mean a false rapture too. Paul said the rapture will not happen until the falling away and reveling of the man of sin happen first so no Pre-trib rapture, not from God anyways.

 

[Bruce_Leiter]

Well like I said I am still learning, I will reach out tomorrow night to someone I will see in church and ask. I will bring these verses up to see what is said. I'm for knowing the truth, but out of everything I've been shown....pre-trib is what seems to make the most sense. But you have my attention and will see what is said.

From my long Bible study and preaching years, I came to the conclusion that the best interpretation of Scripture has Jesus coming only once on the clouds of heaven to do judgment of everyone, create the new heaven and earth. raise us with our perfect resurrection bodies, and usher us into his new universe. The "rapture" of 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 is his same coming to bring the souls of believers who have died to be reunited with their new bodies and our rising to meet him in the air and welcoming him back to the new universe.

 

[cv5]

So, we KNOW it ain't the JEWS, who are happy in Day 1335 [because the JEWS are hiding scared to death for their lives in Petra from the AC]. so, who are these people, that will be HAPPY [Jesus' own Words in Daniel 12] since it ain't the JEWS?

the CHURCH, is WHO, is happy at Day 1335!

Epic fail. Just ridiculous on every level. Tragic really. But not my problem.

How I got so lucky I will never know.

 

[cv5]

Just keep in mind how he's going to react when the AC is revealed and he's still here. He'll probably come here begging the admins to delete all his foolish posts.

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Young gamer person:
Are you aware that the embedded graphic you are using for a footer is ridiculously enormous and seriously clutters your postings?
Just trying to help little buddy.

 

[cv5]

I said, where in the Scripture is it mentioned about a Secret Coming of Jesus?

Hey buddy, FYI, the whole idea is that the rapture......IS a secret....TO SATAN AND HIS HOST!

An obvious fact that you could have (and should have) extrapolated from several of my earlier posts.

Oh well.......another fumbled pass. 100% receiver failure rate is never gonna win you the Super Bowl buddy.

 

[Musicmaster]

This one?

John 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them [tereo ek] from the evil one.

Jesus did not pray that God would take people out of this world to keep them from the evil one. That means Jesus does not approve of rapturing people out of this world to protect them from the evil one. Since Jesus does not approve of that then why do you (anyone reading that believes in a pre-trib rapture that takes people out of this world to keep them from the evil one) support such a concept?

No one is going to be taken out of the world so they can be "kept" from the evil one. That's not how God does things. The rapture is not an exception to that.

How does Jesus clarifying His purpose for the prayer have any meaningfulness for the idea that the Harpazo will not happen? This really is a serious departure from discerning the meaning of words and phraseology by trying to force it into a completely different meaning than what was actually said or even implied!

MM

 

[ewq1938]

How does Jesus clarifying His purpose for the prayer have any meaningfulness for the idea that the Harpazo will not happen?

I didn't say it wouldn't happen. I am saying it doesn't happen to remove people to keep them from the evil one which means the Church will be persecuted and killed by the evil one (the antichrist backed by satan). The rapture happens when the trib has ended.

 

[John146]

I agree with the first part. Thx.

You don’t agree with the underline below?

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.