There will be no Rapture!!!

[Nehemiah6]

The Bible doesn't say that Jesus ascended after telling Mary Magdalene not to touch Him and came back down. That's a rather speculative interpretation. I don't see it in commentaries from those who knew Greek, either.

That is NOT speculative at all. Firstly if that is what Christ told Mary then that is exactly what happened. Secondly He took His blood to the heavenly Sanctuary immediately after His resurrection. You will find that in Hebrews. Thirdly He took all the OT saints from Sheol/Hades to Heaven. You will find that in Ephesians. It is obvious that you have not studied this matter.

 

[presidente]

That is NOT speculative at all. Firstly if that is what Christ told Mary then that is exactly what happened. Secondly He took His blood to the heavenly Sanctuary immediately after His resurrection. You will find that in Hebrews. Thirdly He took all the OT saints from Sheol/Hades to Heaven. You will find that in Ephesians. It is obvious that you have not studied this matter.

You are interpreting Christ's words to mean He was ascending right that minute? This opinion does not seem to be shared by Greek experts who write Bible commentaries that I have looked at.

What verse in Hebrews says that Jesus went to heaven before the events of Acts 1 to offer His blood?

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

There is another scene where John sees the multitude that came out of the great tribulation. Keep in mind that John is looking at future figures and future events in some of these passages. There is no reason to align the timing with the pre-trib theory. To justify that, [...]

I wonder if you think I've said anything about the "a great multitude... of all the nations" who are shown "coming out of the great tribulation" (Rev7:9,14) as having anything to do with "our Rapture"... because I do not.
The latter verses of that chpt (vv.15b-17) correspond with Isaiah 49:10, and earthly Millennial Kingdom passage / context.

In that it states that these are "coming out of the great tribulation" (rather than "kept from" it), this referring specifically to the second half of the trib yrs, following the AOD MID-point... it means they were in it and experiencing it and are "coming out from it" / coming out from being in it and experiencing it (it, meaning, the second half / "the GREAT tribulation"). That doesn't translate in any way to "pre-trib," nor to "rapture / caught up [G726]"... so I'm not sure why you would think I've suggested they were (if that's what you're suggesting I've said).

In one of my earlier posts, I pointed out how Rev7:9 (I know you can "look this up") about the "a great multitude... of all the nations" corresponds time-wise and theme-wise (so to speak) with the message that will be going forth IN / WITHIN the trib years: Matt24:14 [/26:13]..., which is what takes place FOLLOWING "our Rapture" (just as everything from Matt24:4 onward does).

 

[presidente]

During the great tribulation not only Israel suffers. Saints from every tribe come out of the great tribulation.

@TheDivineWatermark

 

[DRobinson]

No post tribber has ever won in a pre-trib debate in the history of CC.
And never will. For obvious reasons.

Very obvious.
Pre-tribers have a closed mind and an inability to understand what the Scripture states so plainly.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

^ @DRobinson ,

"Pre-tribers have a closed mind and an inability to understand what the Scripture states so plainly."

[quoting]

Ad hominem (Latin for 'to the person'), short for argumentum ad hominem, is a term that refers to several types of arguments, most of which are fallacious. Typically this term refers to a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself. This avoids genuine debate by creating a diversion to some irrelevant but often highly charged issue.

[end quoting]



To be honest, I've not heard any "corrective" explanation to any of the posts of mine (and some other pre-tribbers) to which you've applied your Red X marks.

Care to give it a shot? Or is it your habit to just slam persons [namely, pre-tribbers alone] instead?

 

[ewq1938]

He is "marrying" ONE virgin.

Not five.

Millions is likely.

 

[ewq1938]

Tell me you are kidding buddy. PLEASE.
Beast = AC "Satan/man".

Let us know when you find a man born that has 7 heads and ten horns! Good luck. Also, take some courses in Greek so you don't make such obvious and simplistic mistakes.

 

[cv5]

During the great tribulation not only Israel suffers. Saints from ???every tribe?? come out of the great tribulation.

First question:
Like the tribe of MacPherson, Fernandez and Van den Berg?

Second question:
Are post-tribbers are in the habit of making fools of themselves?

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

2Cor11:2 makes it clear (as does Rev19:7, distinct from v.9), by its wording:

Berean Literal Bible
For I am jealous as to you [plur.; corporate 'you'] with the jealousy of God. For I have betrothed you [plur.; corporate 'you'] to one husband, to present a pure virgin [singular] to Christ.

King James Bible
For I am jealous over you [plur.; corporate 'you'] with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you [plur.; corporate 'you'] to one husband, that I may present you as [understood 'you'] a chaste virgin [singular] to Christ.

He is "marrying" ONE virgin.

Millions is likely.

You've overlooked the clear grammar of 2Cor11:2, shown above.






And... the singular "bride / wife" of Rev19:7 is distinct from the plural invited guests (wedding FEAST / SUPPER folks) in Rev19:9.

 

[cv5]

Very obvious.
Pre-tribers have a closed mind and an inability to understand what the Scripture states so plainly.

Your incapacity and inability to provide a cogent rebuttal has secured yet another bone-crushing victory for the pre-tribbers.

Cleaned house. Again. Always have, always will.

Reminds me of David and Gol of Gath aka Goliath. Pre-tribber exegesis right on target bringing about an effortless victory.

 

[cv5]

There is no "bride / wife [singular]" being spoken of in the Matt25 passage, because it is not a passage about a "marriage," but the "marriage-feast/supper" (aka the earthly MK age, and their entrance into it upon His RETURN to the earth, just as in the Lk12 passage and others). Again, the same "G1062" word is used in both passages. Context determines which meaning... and by its saying "5 virgins," it clearly is not the ONE He is "MARRYING"

Winning. Its a good feeling!

Rev 7:4
And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Rev 14:1
And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
Rev 14:3
And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
Rev 14:4
These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

 

[cv5]

Let us know when you find a man born that has 7 heads and ten horns! Good luck. Also, take some courses in Greek so you don't make such obvious and simplistic mistakes.

Winning bro winning. It's exhilarating. You have to try it just once in your life.

 

[cv5]

It is not a contest to be 'won'.

It is a warning to be heeded.

If the "it" is the "debate", then yes, "it" is a contest to be won. And has been.

As for the warning aspect.....that seems to be my day job. Running around warning every creature about the imminent 70th week tribulation. And the fact of the harpazo that comes beforehand for those who believe.

 

[cv5]

Let us know when you find a man born that has 7 heads and ten horns! Good luck. Also, take some courses in Greek so you don't make such obvious and simplistic mistakes.

There you go buddy. Fixed it for you.....

Rev 17:9
And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Rev 17:10
And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Rev 17:11
And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition

 

[JTB]

If the "it" is the "debate", then yes, "it" is a contest to be won. And has been.

As for the warning aspect.....that seems to be my day job. Running around warning every creature about the imminent 70th week tribulation. And the fact of the harpazo that comes beforehand for those who believe.

And what if you are wrong?

Jesus DID say that many will turn away from Him because they were not prepared for what is coming (implyig they dismissed all the warnings as meaningless). Why give warnings for something you're not going to face?

Personally, my take is:

Pray for pre
Prepare for post
And any other time, like right now, would be just fine by me

 

[cv5]

And what if you are wrong?

Prove it. If indeed you can.
Just to let you know......post-tribbers are batting zero thus far.
And pre-trib confidence levels extremely high. In terms of the whole council of God, the pre-trib rapture is inevitable.

 

[cv5]

Jesus DID say that many will turn away from Him because they were not prepared for what is coming (implyig they dismissed all the warnings as meaningless). Why give warnings for something you're not going to face?

70th week of Daniel dynamics (which are those that Jesus is speaking to in Matt 24) are vastly different from that of the Church age.
Which, Biblically, is to be expected.....

2Th 2:7
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

 

[cv5]

The Bible doesn't say that Jesus ascended after telling Mary Magdalene not to touch Him and came back down. That's a rather speculative interpretation. I don't see it in commentaries from those who knew Greek, either.

Come on man. This question has been answered waaaay back on page 13.

https://christianchat.com/threads/there-will-be-no-rapture.212356/post-5144859

 

[cv5]

The Church saints will be in Heaven while the Antichrist rules on earth, and I will be with them.

Amen to your Biblically accurate and correct assertion. And a joyful one at that. See you there buddy!