There is no need to suffer with sickness.

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As a child of GOD there is no need for you to suffer with sickness. I repeat it again, there is no need for you to suffer with sickness. There are two reasons why my precious beloved brethren are suffering with illnesses. The first reason is Ignorance of the Word of GOD. For thus says the LORD "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge (Hosea 4:6)." And the second reason is that they have refused to believe the Word of GOD. For thus says the LORD, "Why do you call me, 'LORD, LORD,' and do not do what I say?...(Luke 4:46-49)."

For example, look at Aeneas in the book of Acts. He was a Christian, a child of GOD but he was suffering with illness because of his ignorance of the Word of GOD. He was paralyzed and bedridden for eight years because of his ignorance of the Word of GOD.Thanks be to GOD ALMIGHTY, for Apostle Peter was sent to him to tell him the Truth. Peter said to him, "Aeneas, JESUS CHRIST heals you. Get up and make your bed. Immediately Aeneas got up. (Acts 9:34)." Aeneas believed what Peter said, and he was healed immediately. Peter didn't pray for Aeneas, he just told him the truth about what JESUS had done for him, and he believed it and was healed. Now, you can clearly see that Aeneas suffering with sickness was because of his ignorance of the Truth which is the Word of GOD. The LORD JESUS said, " You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free (John 8:32)."

Here is another example: a christian lady in the USA was crippled and was being assisted with a wheelchair for many years. A man of GOD came to her and she was expecting him to pray for her but the Man of GOD said to her "Do you know that JESUS CHRIST has healed you?". She was so surprised and the Man of GOD told her to read 1 Peter 2:24 which says "He himself bore our sins' in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; 'by his wounds you have been healed.'" The lady read it and believed it, and immediately she started praising and thanking GOD for healing her two thousand years ago. She stopped asking for healing and started praising and thanking GOD for healing her. As she did this, she got up from her wheelchair and was walking and dancing and praising GOD. She received her healing because she accepted what the Word of GOD says in 1 Peter 2:24 "... by his wounds you have been healed". Look at the tenses here, it is past tense.

Now you can clearly see that this lady was suffering with illness because of her ignorance of the Word of GOD. But thanks be to GOD ALMIGHTY that she believed the Word, she accepted the Word and she was healed.
Unfortunately, many of my beloved brethren are still ignorant to the Word of GOD and some have refused to accept the Word of GOD. So they keep on suffering with sickness.
Today, I am telling you that as a child of GOD, there is no need for you to suffer with sickness. No matter what the sickness is whether cancer, HIV AIDS, kidney problem, diabetes etc.

JESUS loves you. It is time for you to know his Word, believe His Word, and accept His Word. The Word of GOD is Truth and the only Truth in the whole universe. For no Word of GOD will ever fail. Every Word of GOD proves true (Proverbs 30:5).
Thanks,
JESUS IS LORD.
 
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Heavenian said:
As a child of GOD there is no need for you to suffer with sickness. I repeat it again, there is no need for you to suffer with sickness. There are two reasons why my precious beloved brethren are suffering with illnesses. The first reason is Ignorance of the Word of GOD. For thus says the LORD "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge (Hosea 4:6)." And the second reason is that they have refused to believe the Word of GOD. For thus says the LORD, "Why do you call me, 'LORD, LORD,' and do not do what I say?...(Luke 4:46-49)."

For example, look at Aeneas in the book of Acts. He was a Christian, a child of GOD but he was suffering with illness because of his ignorance of the Word of GOD. He was paralyzed and bedridden for eight years because of his ignorance of the Word of GOD.Thanks be to GOD ALMIGHTY, for Apostle Peter was sent to him to tell him the Truth. Peter said to him, "Aeneas, JESUS CHRIST heals you. Get up and make your bed. Immediately Aeneas got up. (Acts 9:34)." Aeneas believed what Peter said, and he was healed immediately. Peter didn't pray for Aeneas, he just told him the truth about what JESUS had done for him, and he believed it and was healed. Now, you can clearly see that Aeneas suffering with sickness was because of his ignorance of the Truth which is the Word of GOD. The LORD JESUS said, " You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free (John 8:32)."

Here is another example: a christian lady in the USA was crippled and was being assisted with a wheelchair for many years. A man of GOD came to her and she was expecting him to pray for her but the Man of GOD said to her "Do you know that JESUS CHRIST has healed you?". She was so surprised and the Man of GOD told her to read 1 Peter 2:24 which says "He himself bore our sins' in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; 'by his wounds you have been healed.'" The lady read it and believed it, and immediately she started praising and thanking GOD for healing her two thousand years ago. She stopped asking for healing and started praising and thanking GOD for healing her. As she did this, she got up from her wheelchair and was walking and dancing and praising GOD. She received her healing because she accepted what the Word of GOD says in 1 Peter 2:24 "... by his wounds you have been healed". Look at the tenses here, it is past tense.

Now you can clearly see that this lady was suffering with illness because of her ignorance of the Word of GOD. But thanks be to GOD ALMIGHTY that she believed the Word, she accepted the Word and she was healed.
Unfortunately, many of my beloved brethren are still ignorant to the Word of GOD and some have refused to accept the Word of GOD. So they keep on suffering with sickness.
Today, I am telling you that as a child of GOD, there is no need for you to suffer with sickness. No matter what the sickness is whether cancer, HIV AIDS, kidney problem, diabetes etc.

JESUS loves you. It is time for you to know his Word, believe His Word, and accept His Word. The Word of GOD is Truth and the only Truth in the whole universe. For no Word of GOD will ever fail. Every Word of GOD proves true (Proverbs 30:5).
Thanks,
JESUS IS LORD.
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And Hobart Freeman (who agrees completely with your belief) was killed by a completely treatable infection that God Had "Healed him" of. Whether you like it or not, God isn't a "One trick pony". Hobart Freeman's "Body count" in his congregation was over 100 by time he died himself.
 
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Heavenian said:
As a child of GOD there is no need for you to suffer with sickness. I repeat it again, there is no need for you to suffer with sickness. There are two reasons why my precious beloved brethren are suffering with illnesses. The first reason is Ignorance of the Word of GOD. For thus says the LORD "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge (Hosea 4:6)." And the second reason is that they have refused to believe the Word of GOD. For thus says the LORD, "Why do you call me, 'LORD, LORD,' and do not do what I say?...(Luke 4:46-49)."

For example, look at Aeneas in the book of Acts. He was a Christian, a child of GOD but he was suffering with illness because of his ignorance of the Word of GOD. He was paralyzed and bedridden for eight years because of his ignorance of the Word of GOD.Thanks be to GOD ALMIGHTY, for Apostle Peter was sent to him to tell him the Truth. Peter said to him, "Aeneas, JESUS CHRIST heals you. Get up and make your bed. Immediately Aeneas got up. (Acts 9:34)." Aeneas believed what Peter said, and he was healed immediately. Peter didn't pray for Aeneas, he just told him the truth about what JESUS had done for him, and he believed it and was healed. Now, you can clearly see that Aeneas suffering with sickness was because of his ignorance of the Truth which is the Word of GOD. The LORD JESUS said, " You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free (John 8:32)."

Here is another example: a christian lady in the USA was crippled and was being assisted with a wheelchair for many years. A man of GOD came to her and she was expecting him to pray for her but the Man of GOD said to her "Do you know that JESUS CHRIST has healed you?". She was so surprised and the Man of GOD told her to read 1 Peter 2:24 which says "He himself bore our sins' in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; 'by his wounds you have been healed.'" The lady read it and believed it, and immediately she started praising and thanking GOD for healing her two thousand years ago. She stopped asking for healing and started praising and thanking GOD for healing her. As she did this, she got up from her wheelchair and was walking and dancing and praising GOD. She received her healing because she accepted what the Word of GOD says in 1 Peter 2:24 "... by his wounds you have been healed". Look at the tenses here, it is past tense.

Now you can clearly see that this lady was suffering with illness because of her ignorance of the Word of GOD. But thanks be to GOD ALMIGHTY that she believed the Word, she accepted the Word and she was healed.
Unfortunately, many of my beloved brethren are still ignorant to the Word of GOD and some have refused to accept the Word of GOD. So they keep on suffering with sickness.
Today, I am telling you that as a child of GOD, there is no need for you to suffer with sickness. No matter what the sickness is whether cancer, HIV AIDS, kidney problem, diabetes etc.

JESUS loves you. It is time for you to know his Word, believe His Word, and accept His Word. The Word of GOD is Truth and the only Truth in the whole universe. For no Word of GOD will ever fail. Every Word of GOD proves true (Proverbs 30:5).
Thanks,
JESUS IS LORD.
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And yet we all die...
 
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And yet we all die...
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How ignorant. We all can be translated like Enoch too. Also, we should never hunger...just make bread of stones. I don't know how all the ignorant Christians have made it this far.
 
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I just finished reading the gospel of Mark again last night. I love that book.

I have seen and experienced supernatural healings.

One thing that I learned was that the KJV records correctly the events following the resurrection, then everything in the last paragraph are recorded in Acts. The only exception is that one about drinking anything deadly. Then it occured to me that if someone knew ahead of time that someone poisoned their cup, they would not drink it.
The poison of both statements was covered by the snake that bit Paul from the firewood that he threw into the fire anyhow.

The signs that followed them, vs 17 were no longer necessary once God confirmed His written Word which is now available to all.
Elsewhere these apostles were granted "special miracles." That's why those who claim to have the gift of healing don't have entire towns and cities of nursing home residents lined up along the streets.
Preachers are not given those specific gifts of healing any more.
When Jesus was here, He healed just about everyone except for those of His own home town. He still heals, but not always. The special miracles that occured in Acts helped to establish the messages of the Apostles until written Scriptures were completed and circulated to the churches. We should still pray with faith in the Lord. Just because He doesn't always heal or right when we want Him to, doesn't mean that we lack faith or not walking with Him. Ie. Job, and the man born blind.


"17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. 19So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. 20And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen."
 
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He still heals, but not always. The special miracles that occured in Acts helped to establish the messages of the Apostles until written Scriptures were completed and circulated to the churches. We should still pray with faith in the Lord. Just because He doesn't always heal or right when we want Him to, doesn't mean that we lack faith or not walking with Him. Ie. Job, and the man born blind.
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No, no, no, my beloved brother. The bold and underline sentences in your message are wrong. Do you think that GOD ALMIGHTY who is LOVE is happy to see His children suffering with sickness? As a Father yourself, are you happy to see your children suffering with sickness or the children of others? No father or mother will be happy to see his/her children suffering with sickness. If human beings who are wicked are not happy to see any of their children suffering with sickness then how much more about GOD ALMIGHTY our HOLY FATHER who is LOVE HIMSELF, do you think HE is happy to see His children suffering with sickness? He has done with sickness. "by his wounds you have been healed. 1 Peter 2:24 "... " Past tense. If you refuse to believe the Word then you will suffer like others but those who have chosen to believe the Word as it is are walking in divine health. They don't need healing from anybody. They know that sickness has been dealt with 2000 years ago but JESUS CHRIST.

Concerning Job, he was the cause of his own calamity with his mouth.

Our RIGHTEOUS FATHER love us so much and HE doesn't want us to suffer with sickness.
Thanks,
JESUS IS LORD.
 
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How ignorant. We all can be translated like Enoch too
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Thank you my beloved brother. I agreed with you. Ignorance of the Word of GOD and refusal to believe the Word of GOD are what is destroying the children of GOD. The only suffering a child of GOD should suffer is persecution for the Name of JESUS and not sickness or whatsoever.
 
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Thank you my beloved brother. I agreed with you. Ignorance of the Word of GOD and refusal to believe the Word of GOD are what is destroying the children of GOD. The only suffering a child of GOD should suffer is persecution for the Name of JESUS and not sickness or whatsoever.
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I was being facetious. While I do think Christians know too little of what it means to walk by faith and don't live in the fulness of all God in Christ has made available to us, your oversimplification of the subject reflects a name it and claim it mentally that is simply false. If Jesus learned obedience through the things He suffered, how much more suffering is required of those not nearly as perfect?
 
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Heavenian said:
The bold and underline sentences in your message are wrong. Do you think that GOD ALMIGHTY who is LOVE is happy to see His children suffering with sickness?.
Concerning Job, he was the cause of his own calamity with his mouth.

Our RIGHTEOUS FATHER love us so much and HE doesn't want us to suffer with sickness.
Thanks,
JESUS IS LORD.
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I'm open to further perspectives.
I just think that there are various causes of sickness, injuries, birth defects. In this case it looks like Satan attacked God's most righteous man. I don't think there's a question as to that. Job's friends accused Job that his suffering was because of his own mouth.

I've had to gain strength through this passage in my time of suffering this month.

Although you see him complaining later, God humbled Job later and rather rebuked the four "friends." He wouldn't even listen to their prayers.
I recently mentioned my own personal testing and was accused of sinning. I DO sin, but it wasn't apparent that my trials were resulting from God's chastening. There are people who have had a fairly easy life and teaching that often jump to such judgements against believers who suffer beyond their comprehension.

21And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD. 22In all this Job sinned not, nor charged God foolishly.
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After the boils over his entire body and a nagging wife manipulated by the devil, this is what Job has to say in the next chapter.

So went Satan forth from the presence of the LORD, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown. 8And he took him a potsherd to scrape himself withal; and he sat down among the ashes. 9Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still retain thine integrity? curse God, and die. 10But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.
 
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Heavenian said:
As a child of GOD there is no need for you to suffer with sickness. I repeat it again, there is no need for you to suffer with sickness. There are two reasons why my precious beloved brethren are suffering with illnesses. The first reason is Ignorance of the Word of GOD. For thus says the LORD "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge (Hosea 4:6)." And the second reason is that they have refused to believe the Word of GOD. For thus says the LORD, "Why do you call me, 'LORD, LORD,' and do not do what I say?...(Luke 4:46-49)."

For example, look at Aeneas in the book of Acts. He was a Christian, a child of GOD but he was suffering with illness because of his ignorance of the Word of GOD. He was paralyzed and bedridden for eight years because of his ignorance of the Word of GOD.Thanks be to GOD ALMIGHTY, for Apostle Peter was sent to him to tell him the Truth. Peter said to him, "Aeneas, JESUS CHRIST heals you. Get up and make your bed. Immediately Aeneas got up. (Acts 9:34)." Aeneas believed what Peter said, and he was healed immediately. Peter didn't pray for Aeneas, he just told him the truth about what JESUS had done for him, and he believed it and was healed. Now, you can clearly see that Aeneas suffering with sickness was because of his ignorance of the Truth which is the Word of GOD. The LORD JESUS said, " You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free (John 8:32)."

Here is another example: a christian lady in the USA was crippled and was being assisted with a wheelchair for many years. A man of GOD came to her and she was expecting him to pray for her but the Man of GOD said to her "Do you know that JESUS CHRIST has healed you?". She was so surprised and the Man of GOD told her to read 1 Peter 2:24 which says "He himself bore our sins' in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; 'by his wounds you have been healed.'" The lady read it and believed it, and immediately she started praising and thanking GOD for healing her two thousand years ago. She stopped asking for healing and started praising and thanking GOD for healing her. As she did this, she got up from her wheelchair and was walking and dancing and praising GOD. She received her healing because she accepted what the Word of GOD says in 1 Peter 2:24 "... by his wounds you have been healed". Look at the tenses here, it is past tense.

Now you can clearly see that this lady was suffering with illness because of her ignorance of the Word of GOD. But thanks be to GOD ALMIGHTY that she believed the Word, she accepted the Word and she was healed.
Unfortunately, many of my beloved brethren are still ignorant to the Word of GOD and some have refused to accept the Word of GOD. So they keep on suffering with sickness.
Today, I am telling you that as a child of GOD, there is no need for you to suffer with sickness. No matter what the sickness is whether cancer, HIV AIDS, kidney problem, diabetes etc.

JESUS loves you. It is time for you to know his Word, believe His Word, and accept His Word. The Word of GOD is Truth and the only Truth in the whole universe. For no Word of GOD will ever fail. Every Word of GOD proves true (Proverbs 30:5).
Thanks,
JESUS IS LORD.
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however, everyone will never be healed on earth. some will be healed instantaneously at the Rapture with brand new glorified bodies.
 
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Heavenian said:
As a child of GOD there is no need for you to suffer with sickness. I repeat it again, there is no need for you to suffer with sickness. There are two reasons why my precious beloved brethren are suffering with illnesses. The first reason is Ignorance of the Word of GOD. For thus says the LORD "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge (Hosea 4:6)." And the second reason is that they have refused to believe the Word of GOD. For thus says the LORD, "Why do you call me, 'LORD, LORD,' and do not do what I say?...(Luke 4:46-49)."

For example, look at Aeneas in the book of Acts. He was a Christian, a child of GOD but he was suffering with illness because of his ignorance of the Word of GOD. He was paralyzed and bedridden for eight years because of his ignorance of the Word of GOD.Thanks be to GOD ALMIGHTY, for Apostle Peter was sent to him to tell him the Truth. Peter said to him, "Aeneas, JESUS CHRIST heals you. Get up and make your bed. Immediately Aeneas got up. (Acts 9:34)." Aeneas believed what Peter said, and he was healed immediately. Peter didn't pray for Aeneas, he just told him the truth about what JESUS had done for him, and he believed it and was healed. Now, you can clearly see that Aeneas suffering with sickness was because of his ignorance of the Truth which is the Word of GOD. The LORD JESUS said, " You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free (John 8:32)."

Here is another example: a christian lady in the USA was crippled and was being assisted with a wheelchair for many years. A man of GOD came to her and she was expecting him to pray for her but the Man of GOD said to her "Do you know that JESUS CHRIST has healed you?". She was so surprised and the Man of GOD told her to read 1 Peter 2:24 which says "He himself bore our sins' in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; 'by his wounds you have been healed.'" The lady read it and believed it, and immediately she started praising and thanking GOD for healing her two thousand years ago. She stopped asking for healing and started praising and thanking GOD for healing her. As she did this, she got up from her wheelchair and was walking and dancing and praising GOD. She received her healing because she accepted what the Word of GOD says in 1 Peter 2:24 "... by his wounds you have been healed". Look at the tenses here, it is past tense.

Now you can clearly see that this lady was suffering with illness because of her ignorance of the Word of GOD. But thanks be to GOD ALMIGHTY that she believed the Word, she accepted the Word and she was healed.
Unfortunately, many of my beloved brethren are still ignorant to the Word of GOD and some have refused to accept the Word of GOD. So they keep on suffering with sickness.
Today, I am telling you that as a child of GOD, there is no need for you to suffer with sickness. No matter what the sickness is whether cancer, HIV AIDS, kidney problem, diabetes etc.

JESUS loves you. It is time for you to know his Word, believe His Word, and accept His Word. The Word of GOD is Truth and the only Truth in the whole universe. For no Word of GOD will ever fail. Every Word of GOD proves true (Proverbs 30:5).
Thanks,
JESUS IS LORD.
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Well, your statement in your 1st sentence is a lie. You are going to deceive children of God.
 
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Heavenian said:
Concerning Job, he was the cause of his own calamity with his mouth.
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COMPLETELY unBiblical!

Such a pernicious doctrine, that ultimately tells people their life's situation of poor health and poverty is because they don't have strong enough faith.

Oh the damage this heresy has wrought on so many people.
 
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Heavenian said:
As a child of GOD there is no need for you to suffer with sickness. I repeat it again, there is no need for you to suffer with sickness. There are two reasons why my precious beloved brethren are suffering with illnesses. The first reason is Ignorance of the Word of GOD. For thus says the LORD "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge (Hosea 4:6)." And the second reason is that they have refused to believe the Word of GOD. For thus says the LORD, "Why do you call me, 'LORD, LORD,' and do not do what I say?...(Luke 4:46-49)."

For example, look at Aeneas in the book of Acts. He was a Christian, a child of GOD but he was suffering with illness because of his ignorance of the Word of GOD. He was paralyzed and bedridden for eight years because of his ignorance of the Word of GOD.Thanks be to GOD ALMIGHTY, for Apostle Peter was sent to him to tell him the Truth. Peter said to him, "Aeneas, JESUS CHRIST heals you. Get up and make your bed. Immediately Aeneas got up. (Acts 9:34)." Aeneas believed what Peter said, and he was healed immediately. Peter didn't pray for Aeneas, he just told him the truth about what JESUS had done for him, and he believed it and was healed. Now, you can clearly see that Aeneas suffering with sickness was because of his ignorance of the Truth which is the Word of GOD. The LORD JESUS said, " You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free (John 8:32)."

Here is another example: a christian lady in the USA was crippled and was being assisted with a wheelchair for many years. A man of GOD came to her and she was expecting him to pray for her but the Man of GOD said to her "Do you know that JESUS CHRIST has healed you?". She was so surprised and the Man of GOD told her to read 1 Peter 2:24 which says "He himself bore our sins' in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; 'by his wounds you have been healed.'" The lady read it and believed it, and immediately she started praising and thanking GOD for healing her two thousand years ago. She stopped asking for healing and started praising and thanking GOD for healing her. As she did this, she got up from her wheelchair and was walking and dancing and praising GOD. She received her healing because she accepted what the Word of GOD says in 1 Peter 2:24 "... by his wounds you have been healed". Look at the tenses here, it is past tense.

Now you can clearly see that this lady was suffering with illness because of her ignorance of the Word of GOD. But thanks be to GOD ALMIGHTY that she believed the Word, she accepted the Word and she was healed.
Unfortunately, many of my beloved brethren are still ignorant to the Word of GOD and some have refused to accept the Word of GOD. So they keep on suffering with sickness.
Today, I am telling you that as a child of GOD, there is no need for you to suffer with sickness. No matter what the sickness is whether cancer, HIV AIDS, kidney problem, diabetes etc.

JESUS loves you. It is time for you to know his Word, believe His Word, and accept His Word. The Word of GOD is Truth and the only Truth in the whole universe. For no Word of GOD will ever fail. Every Word of GOD proves true (Proverbs 30:5).
Thanks,
JESUS IS LORD.
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YOU, NEED to watch this. Start at about the 26 minute mark:

https://www.youtube.com/live/5bSpkKGWUgA?feature=share
 
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@PennEd and all who may not know this... if you want to post a video from youtube and have
it start at a particular point (not the beginning- some intros are waaaayyyyyy too long LOL),
pause the vid where you want it to start and then right click the video, which will bring
up a number of options, the third of which is Copy video URL at current time. Select it.
That puts the info you need on your "clipboard" so you can the enter it using the media
icon above(situated near the centre above message box, to the right side of the smilie face).
 
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COMPLETELY unBiblical!

Such a pernicious doctrine, that ultimately tells people their life's situation of poor health and poverty is because they don't have strong enough faith.

Oh the damage this heresy has wrought on so many people.
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My beloved brother, if you don't know or understand something please ask the HOLY SPIRIT who lives in you and in all His children. If you make conclusion of what you don't know, how would you learn and grow in the things of the LORD? For it is written, grow in the grace and knowledge of our LORD and SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST (2 Peter 3:18).
Some of our brethren have greater revelation of the WORD OF GOD, so learn from them. That's what I do because I know some have grown in the grace and knowledge of the our LORD more than others. Sometime, I asked the LORD if what they are saying is right or wrong. And the glorious thing is that the LORD always answered his children. The LORD is so good all the time.

Now let me explain to you according to the Word of GOD that Job was the caused for his own problem.

Now come to Job our beloved brother. He was ignorant of the Word of GOD, and he was living a life of fear, and fear is not faith. When you read the story of Job carefully through the help of the Holy Spirit, you will see and discover that Job was the caused of his problem through his mouth. Job was a Righteous man, but he was living a life of fear and he spoke his fears. Listen to what Job said, and you will see that he was living a life of fear. He said, “For the thing I feared has overtaken me, and what I dreaded has befallen me. I am not at ease or quiet; I have no rest, for trouble has come (Job 3”25-26).” As you can see here that, Job himself said that the things he feared had come upon him and he was not quiet about it, so he spoke out his fears. Now look at this Spiritual law in the Bible which says, “whosoever breaketh an hedge, a serpent shall bite him (Ecclesiastes 10:8).” This is a Spiritual Law and Job breaks this law with his own mouth. And so the serpent (satan) bite him by bringing all those calamity to him. GOD put a hedge around Job, but Job breaks it with his own mouth when he spoke out his fears. For the Holy Spirit says, “And he who compresses his lips brings evil to pass (Proverbs 16:30).” This was what Job did and he brought evil to pass in his life. Again, it is written, “Death and life are in the power of the tongue, And those who love it and indulge it will eat its fruit and bear the consequences of their words (Proverbs 18:21).” For the Holy Spirit says, GOD never tempts anyone as it is written, "When tempted, no one should say, 'GOD is tempting me.' For GOD cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He tempt anyone (James 1:13)." Now, you can clearly see that Job was the caused of his problem with his own month and it was not the Will of GOD for all these things to happen to him. And GOD can not change his Word; for it is written, "whosoever breaketh an hedge, a serpent shall bite him (Ecclesiastes 10:8).”

Again, listen to the words of Job to show you how ignorant he was about the Word of GOD. Job said. " Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD." Job said "the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away" but Job was wrong because It was not the LORD who took away his wealth and children. It was devil that took away his wealth and children not GOD. For it is written, "For God's gifts and His call are irrevocable (Romans 11:29)". When GOD give you something, He doesn't take it away from you later. Because of the ignorant of Job, he asked a lot of questions to GOD to know why these things happened to him but when GOD answered him and asked him questions, he was unable to answer GOD and he repented and said, “My ears had heard of you but now my eyes have seen you. Therefore I despise myself and repent in dust and ashes (Job 42:5-6).”

My beloved brother, if you are still in doubt of what I said, just ask the LORD if what I am saying is true or not. May the Holy Spirit help you understand his Word.
Thanks,
JESUS IS LORD.
 
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HealthAndHappiness said:
I'm open to further perspectives.
I just think that there are various causes of sickness, injuries, birth defects. In this case it looks like Satan attacked God's most righteous man. I don't think there's a question as to that. Job's friends accused Job that his suffering was because of his own mouth.

I've had to gain strength through this passage in my time of suffering this month.

Although you see him complaining later, God humbled Job later and rather rebuked the four "friends." He wouldn't even listen to their prayers.
I recently mentioned my own personal testing and was accused of sinning. I DO sin, but it wasn't apparent that my trials were resulting from God's chastening. There are people who have had a fairly easy life and teaching that often jump to such judgements against believers who suffer beyond their comprehension.

21And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD. 22In all this Job sinned not, nor charged God foolishly.
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After the boils over his entire body and a nagging wife manipulated by the devil, this is what Job has to say in the next chapter.

So went Satan forth from the presence of the LORD, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown. 8And he took him a potsherd to scrape himself withal; and he sat down among the ashes. 9Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still retain thine integrity? curse God, and die. 10But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.
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My beloved brother, no matter the cause of any sickness whether injuries or birth defects, JESUS CHRIST our Blessed LORD has healed us from it all. To manifest this in our lives is simply just to believe what His Words says and act on it because His Word is true and reality. Remember that GOD can not lie. Everything He has said in His Word is True and Reality. For it is written, " it is impossible for God to act or tell a lie (Number 23:19)." For the Word of GOD says in 1 Peter 2:24 "... by his wounds you have been healed". Look at the tenses here, it is past tense.

Now, let me explain to you according to the Word of GOD that Job was the caused for his own problem.

Now come to Job our beloved brother. He was ignorant of the Word of GOD, and he was living a life of fear, and fear is not faith. When you read the story of Job carefully through the help of the Holy Spirit, you will see and discover that Job was the caused of his problem through his mouth. Job was a Righteous man, but he was living a life of fear and he spoke his fears. Listen to what Job said, and you will see that he was living a life of fear. He said, “For the thing I feared has overtaken me, and what I dreaded has befallen me. I am not at ease or quiet; I have no rest, for trouble has come (Job 3”25-26).” As you can see here that, Job himself said that the things he feared had come upon him and he was not quiet about it, so he spoke out his fears. Now look at this Spiritual law in the Bible which says, “whosoever breaketh an hedge, a serpent shall bite him (Ecclesiastes 10:8).” This is a Spiritual Law and Job breaks this law with his own mouth. And so the serpent (satan) bite him by bringing all those calamity to him. GOD put a hedge around Job, but Job breaks it with his own mouth when he spoke out his fears. For the Holy Spirit says, “And he who compresses his lips brings evil to pass (Proverbs 16:30).” This was what Job did and he brought evil to pass in his life. Again, it is written, “Death and life are in the power of the tongue, And those who love it and indulge it will eat its fruit and bear the consequences of their words (Proverbs 18:21).” For the Holy Spirit says, GOD never tempts anyone as it is written, "When tempted, no one should say, 'GOD is tempting me.' For GOD cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He tempt anyone (James 1:13)." Now, you can clearly see that Job was the caused of his problem with his own month and it was not the Will of GOD for all these things to happen to him. And GOD can not change his Word; for it is written, "whosoever breaketh an hedge, a serpent shall bite him (Ecclesiastes 10:8).”

Again, listen to the words of Job to show you how ignorant he was about the Word of GOD. Job said. " Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD." Job said "the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away" but Job was wrong because It was not the LORD who took away his wealth and children. It was the devil that took away his wealth and children not GOD. For it is written, "For God's gifts and His call are irrevocable (Romans 11:29)". When GOD give you something, He doesn't take it away from you later. Because of the ignorant of Job, he asked a lot of questions to GOD to know why these things happened to him but when GOD answered him and asked him questions, he was unable to answer GOD and he repented and said, “My ears had heard of you but now my eyes have seen you. Therefore I despise myself and repent in dust and ashes (Job 42:5-6).”

My beloved brother, if you are still in doubt of anything, just ask the LORD if what I am saying is true or not. May the Holy Spirit help you understand his Word.
Thanks,
JESUS IS LORD.
 
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wolfwint said:
Well, your statement in your 1st sentence is a lie. You are going to deceive children of God.
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My beloved brother, every word I said is Truth. And Truth can never decieve anyone because the Word of GOD is Truth and the Word is JESUS. As a child of GOD there is no need for you to suffer with sickness. Sickness doesn't bring glory to GOD and that's why JESUS healed us from all sickness. 1 Peter 2:24 "... by his wounds you have been healed".
 
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Cameron143 said:
I was being facetious. While I do think Christians know too little of what it means to walk by faith and don't live in the fulness of all God in Christ has made available to us, your oversimplification of the subject reflects a name it and claim it mentally that is simply false. If Jesus learned obedience through the things He suffered, how much more suffering is required of those not nearly as perfect?
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My beloved brother, the Word of GOD is so simple but people make it difficult because they do not allow the Author Himself who is the Holy Spirit to teach them His Word. JESUS our LORD didn't suffer with sickness. He suffered persecution, and this is the only suffering a child of GOD should suffer. Our Blessed LORD said, "It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household! (Matthew 10:25)."
 
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