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Dave-L said:
Theology isn't personal opinion. “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.” 2 Peter 1:20 (KJV 1900)
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While your assertion, "Theology isn't personal opinion" is correct, the verse you quoted has nothing to do with that assertion.

Peter was talking about prophecy specifically. Biblical prophecy does not have its origin in human interpretations. Many people misinterpret that verse.
 
Dino246 said:
While your assertion, "Theology isn't personal opinion" is correct, the verse you quoted has nothing to do with that assertion.

Peter was talking about prophecy specifically. Biblical prophecy does not have its origin in human interpretations. Many people misinterpret that verse.
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The NT was given mostly by prophecy and tongues. They were the only new covenant words spoken by the Church. Jesus was a prophet so include him too.
 
Dave-L said:
The NT was given mostly by prophecy and tongues. They were the only new covenant words spoken by the Church. Jesus was a prophet so include him too.
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Which NT are you reading? The New Testament in the Bible was written by the apostles or their close associates, not "given by prophecy and tongues". I suppose you could stretch the meaning as all Scripture is theopneustos (2 Tim 3:16), but that's not the normal meaning of prophecy.
 
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Dino246 said:
Which NT are you reading? The New Testament in the Bible was written by the apostles or their close associates, not "given by prophecy and tongues". I suppose you could stretch the meaning as all Scripture is theopneustos (2 Tim 3:16), but that's not the normal meaning of prophecy.
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They were prophets.
 
Dave-L said:
They were prophets.
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Irrelevant to the point. The verse says "no prophecy OF Scripture". If Peter meant to say, "No Scripture", he would have done so. Proverbs 5:8 is Scripture, but it is not prophecy. Acts 19:4 is Scripture, but it is not prophecy. Much of Scripture is not prophecy. Most of the New Testament is not prophecy.
 
Dino246 said:
Irrelevant to the point. The verse says "no prophecy OF Scripture". If Peter meant to say, "No Scripture", he would have done so. Proverbs 5:8 is Scripture, but it is not prophecy. Acts 19:4 is Scripture, but it is not prophecy. Much of Scripture is not prophecy. Most of the New Testament is not prophecy.
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“And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” Revelation 19:10 (KJV 1900)
 
Dave-L said:
Theology isn't personal opinion. “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.” 2 Peter 1:20 (KJV 1900)
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actually a lot is, if you read further in Peters letter he talks about false prophets. Peters claim no prophecy of the scriputre is of private interpratation is because the holy spirit moved him to speak. Peter was actually eyewitness to His majesty, being one of the first there at the resurrection, he wasnt making up stories about Jesus. Also of the scriptures in the OT they were all pointing toward Jesus, that was why he was able to speak them.
 
there are a lot of weird theologies out there, some might have a grain of truth but many are mixed up with a lot of half truths.

while they are interesting I wouldnt rely on Cs Lewis or Jean Calvin or Wayne Grudrem to tell me all about God. I can experience God myself, and I can go straight to scripture. This is what The OT is preserved for us and also the NT. God gave us apostles...and Paul was one of those appointed for the gentiles and his words are noted as scripture today thousands of years later.
I dont really need someone else to tell me,so I find a lot of theology books redundant if you read the bible.
 
Lanolin said:
actually a lot is, if you read further in Peters letter he talks about false prophets. Peters claim no prophecy of the scriputre is of private interpratation is because the holy spirit moved him to speak. Peter was actually eyewitness to His majesty, being one of the first there at the resurrection, he wasnt making up stories about Jesus. Also of the scriptures in the OT they were all pointing toward Jesus, that was why he was able to speak them.
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Scripture is all prophecy.
 
Dave-L said:
“And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” Revelation 19:10 (KJV 1900)
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How about discussing instead of proof-texting?
 
plato was one of the philosphers of theology who was studying what he believed was God way before the gospel was widely known in the greek world so...it is not true that all theology is correct or even about God as revealed through Jesus Christ.

That is why there are different kinds of theology and I would label all of them christian, things like universalism appear to be Christian but on closer examination are not.
 
Actually Paul and Peter were apostles not prophets Just pointing that out. When they did speak prophecy, they were actually quoting the old testament prophets.
when they were speaking in tongues, they were praising and magnifying God.

I wouldnt say Peter and Paul were theologians, although Paul tried to speak the language of theology to the greeks so they would understand who their unknown God really was.
 
Just to clarify, the apostles actually saw the risen Christ with their own eyes.

The prophets did not. They could only foretell that the Messiah would come.
 
Dave-L said:
I did, Scripture is given by inspiration. And the prophets including Paul and Peter and the rest spoke when inspired.
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I've dealt with this argument before. It's one big fallacy of equivocation.
 
Dave-L said:
So you are arguing with scripture, not me.
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That's a self-righteous and dismissive response. I'm telling you that your position is based on a fallacy and is therefore invalid. Proof-texting cannot make valid what fundamentally is not.
 
Dino246 said:
That's a self-righteous and dismissive response. I'm telling you that your position is based on a fallacy and is therefore invalid. Proof-texting cannot make valid what fundamentally is not.
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Do you believe the prophets spoke and wrote scripture?
 
Dave-L said:
Do you believe the prophets spoke and wrote scripture?
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I'm not going to respond further to your sniping. If you aren't willing to discuss the issue properly, then say so. If you are, then start by dealing with your rejection of basic grammar.
 
Dino246 said:
I'm not going to respond further to your sniping. If you aren't willing to discuss the issue properly, then say so. If you are, then start by dealing with your rejection of basic grammar.
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Please find something else to do..... by all means.
 
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