The truth of sin

[Blain]

There is an association that exists in scripture, a point made over and over that likens "sin" simply to being a part of the human condition. That is, sin- is likened to 'the flesh' and our physical nature. To be human, is to be sinful. It's a part of our existence, and a natural outcome of being human.

I never thought of it that way that is a great way to view it. yes if we liken sin to the flesh it may make it easier to take notice of when we sin and not burden ourselves so much with the fact we do sin. it is human but what does it mean to be human well it means to be incompatable with God for one but once we are born again what does it mean then?

 

[Leastofall]

The wages of sin is death. Death to the soul. It can make a person unredeemable. That is one of the reasons God hates it so much.
It not only separates man from God but it corrupts the heart and inturn corrupts the soul. It's a slow progressing cancer that can infiltrate even the genetics of a person and be passed down to generations.
It is more than just disobedience to God. It is poison to the soul.
"And God saw all that he created was very good" as we read on we get to the sixth chapter "in his sight all that he saw was continuous evil". This is sin left unchecked the new testament describes it as lawlessness.
When we read the story of cain and able we can't escape the fact that God had taught his ways even back then. For he told cain to present his offering again accordingly and all would be well. But if he did not sin lays at his door...."heart". His refusal brought hatred for his brother which brought murder. Sin escalated.
The evil that God saw in chapter six was far more than disobedience it was a evil that generated and enticed Satan and his demons to join in the abomination causing even the bloodline to be corrupt. Read Genesis 3 where God addresses the serpent.
Satan has a seed.

 

[homwardbound]

yes it does remind us to be humble and to respond in a mature and Christ like manner heated debates do that they can either bring the worst out of us or it can humble us and so this is why heated debates can be good for us

Yes, there is a lot of learning from them, and if not willing to learn, then one can and does eventually go viral, I think evil depends on one, anyone going viral, over what I see as stress thought(s) over troubles happening to them or even others, that they appreciate in love and care for too.
So, I see whenever I begin to get stinking thinking again over anything bad happening, I see to stop, ask, receive from God comfort within trust to God Father in risen Son given me
Thank you Blain

 

[MrE]

I never thought of it that way that is a great way to view it. yes if we liken sin to the flesh it may make it easier to take notice of when we sin and not burden ourselves so much with the fact we do sin. it is human but what does it mean to be human well it means to be incompatable with God for one but once we are born again what does it mean then?

I wanted to look at that "incompatibility with God" concept you mentioned. I think I understand what you mean, if you are referring to a holy God, set apart, different, but certainly not indifferent when it comes to created, humans. -For God so loved the world....

But yes, the spirit (God is spirit) and the flesh (man is flesh) are in some ways like oil and water, even when together in one container, wholly different because God is holy--different, set apart, set above.

To be born again, is to be born from above. His words then, leading up to that most famous verse about God sending His son, explained the concept better than I can now>>>

“I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born of water and spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. What is born of the flesh is flesh, and what is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must all be born from above.’ The wind blows wherever it will, and you hear the sound it makes, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

I believe him. I believe that to be born again is to be heaven-sent. Though we are clothed in soiled and sinful human flesh, we serve Him who first delivered us from sin, then sent us to minister to our brothers and sisters, similarly held captive. This is our mission and purpose and His plan of deliverance for humanity.

 

[Blain]

I wanted to look at that "incompatibility with God" concept you mentioned. I think I understand what you mean, if you are referring to a holy God, set apart, different, but certainly not indifferent when it comes to created, humans. -For God so loved the world....

But yes, the spirit (God is spirit) and the flesh (man is flesh) are in some ways like oil and water, even when together in one container, wholly different because God is holy--different, set apart, set above.

To be born again, is to be born from above. His words then, leading up to that most famous verse about God sending His son, explained the concept better than I can now>>>

“I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born of water and spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. What is born of the flesh is flesh, and what is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must all be born from above.’ The wind blows wherever it will, and you hear the sound it makes, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

I believe him. I believe that to be born again is to be heaven-sent. Though we are clothed in soiled and sinful human flesh, we serve Him who first delivered us from sin, then sent us to minister to our brothers and sisters, similarly held captive. This is our mission and purpose and His plan of deliverance for humanity.

Yes this is exactly what I mean with the incompatability with God as when we are living in the flesh before we come to God and he being that of the spirit and holy set apart from flesh and sin. I like how you refered to it as oil and water as well that is actually something I used to refer to as well

it is also good to note that the only way fire can exist with water is with oil if there is oil in water fire can stand on top of the water if we refer tp fire as the holy spirit then water as God and oil as us then all three can coexist.

 

[MrE]

Yes this is exactly what I mean with the incompatability with God as when we are living in the flesh before we come to God and he being that of the spirit and holy set apart from flesh and sin. I like how you refered to it as oil and water as well that is actually something I used to refer to as well

it is also good to note that the only way fire can exist with water is with oil if there is oil in water fire can stand on top of the water if we refer tp fire as the holy spirit then water as God and oil as us then all three can coexist.

When the hearts of God and a child of his make that special intimate connection a wondrous power is born and a flame ignites that can never be put out

 

[homwardbound]

I thank both of you in God leading in God's Spirit and Truth
I see this oil and water, further now in the fire burning holy on the oil
thank you Blain and MrE

Now, I saw a connecting that flesh does in sermons
Flesh connects in flesh by taking Oil and Water in a glass filled and seals the oil and water. Then shakes up the glass and it appears mixed and we the people get excited in our flesh bodies, I know I have, going out of there all pumped up. yet when I saw the glass put down and not being shaken up as was , the oil and water settled, I saw no connection anymore, it came back to being separated, And no Holy Fire, just flesh trying to do what is already done by Son for them to be new, still needing the Holy Fire, born again the Holy God's Spirit and Truth for them, By the done work of Son, amazing grace this is to stand in thankfully and seriously see, without emotions leading anymore, for me at least

God in truth, the Holy God of Son that is risen that separated sin from death for us to be thankful in and approach God Father free of charge to learn from God how to let go of sin without trying to do it anymore as have been taught to do by religion in our first birth, at least me in my growing up, Son's done work was/is never meant for anyone to continue to sin. seeing now presently what under Law does to all, at least did to me. Now, I see to be careful to not get puffed up over exciting things others get excited over.
That is what I think Jesus meant, when he said watch out for the Leaven of the Pharisees
Not only those, in anyone that gets me puffed up, I am seeing a redflag to be careful in where is this going, and what is the motive. For, I do not see emotions leading as good for me ever. I see emotions as well for me, when I follow in believe the truth of God he reconciled, forgave all then and there in Son's willing death alone. That is done left us the people to decide to believe God or not, and then be given new life from above, thank you Daddy, PaPa, Father.
God has never forsaken me and in truth will not or does not forsake anyone. Those, that think God does, has not yet been reveled to true God of love and mercy for them through
Son yet I have not always listened either, now am, not in my own first birth anymore, it is dead Romans 6:11-12 Standing in the present settled and ground seeing new in Luke 21:14-15 for me at least, thanking Father and Son forever for this reconciliation given before new life could ever be given to anyone and now is ready to be given that begins on day one of anyone that decides to believe God too
We see new
accepted by God through Son's done work
Forgiven by God through Son going to that cross willingly for us all to believe it or not\
sealed to see the truth from God what got done by Son and stand in that forever, never to be moved out of it ever, standing in humility over it, and by being permeated through and through in God's Holy Fire of Love for all getting imputed 1 Cor 13:4-7 from God, that is everlasting, one, anyone else can rest now as in Hebrews 4 thank you

 

[Blain]

I thank both of you in God leading in God's Spirit and Truth
I see this oil and water, further now in the fire burning holy on the oil
thank you Blain and MrE

Now, I saw a connecting that flesh does in sermons
Flesh connects in flesh by taking Oil and Water in a glass filled and seals the oil and water. Then shakes up the glass and it appears mixed and we the people get excited in our flesh bodies, I know I have, going out of there all pumped up. yet when I saw the glass put down and not being shaken up as was , the oil and water settled, I saw no connection anymore, it came back to being separated, And no Holy Fire, just flesh trying to do what is already done by Son for them to be new, still needing the Holy Fire, born again the Holy God's Spirit and Truth for them, By the done work of Son, amazing grace this is to stand in thankfully and seriously see, without emotions leading anymore, for me at least

God in truth, the Holy God of Son that is risen that separated sin from death for us to be thankful in and approach God Father free of charge to learn from God how to let go of sin without trying to do it anymore as have been taught to do by religion in our first birth, at least me in my growing up, Son's done work was/is never meant for anyone to continue to sin. seeing now presently what under Law does to all, at least did to me. Now, I see to be careful to not get puffed up over exciting things others get excited over.
That is what I think Jesus meant, when he said watch out for the Leaven of the Pharisees
Not only those, in anyone that gets me puffed up, I am seeing a redflag to be careful in where is this going, and what is the motive. For, I do not see emotions leading as good for me ever. I see emotions as well for me, when I follow in believe the truth of God he reconciled, forgave all then and there in Son's willing death alone. That is done left us the people to decide to believe God or not, and then be given new life from above, thank you Daddy, PaPa, Father.
God has never forsaken me and in truth will not or does not forsake anyone. Those, that think God does, has not yet been reveled to true God of love and mercy for them through
Son yet I have not always listened either, now am, not in my own first birth anymore, it is dead Romans 6:11-12 Standing in the present settled and ground seeing new in Luke 21:14-15 for me at least, thanking Father and Son forever for this reconciliation given before new life could ever be given to anyone and now is ready to be given that begins on day one of anyone that decides to believe God too
We see new
accepted by God through Son's done work
Forgiven by God through Son going to that cross willingly for us all to believe it or not\
sealed to see the truth from God what got done by Son and stand in that forever, never to be moved out of it ever, standing in humility over it, and by being permeated through and through in God's Holy Fire of Love for all getting imputed 1 Cor 13:4-7 from God, that is everlasting, one, anyone else can rest now as in Hebrews 4 thank you

This is very insighful and a fantastic way of expressing it

 

[homwardbound]

Those words, are flooring me, it was not my words flowing through, reviewing, what got said through me
Woe is me, a man of unclean lips, has got given the Holy Fire placed on my lips, What can one, anyone do, but reside from lying, cheating, stealing, defrauding, getting others to think I am someone, I am not anyone special ever, nor is anyone else, God having no respect to anyone as if one is better than another, we are equaled on the field in the one time death of Son, in that one time willing death, all got equaled, The first birth defeated that lead anyone first, only that first birth defeated as one and many individuals turn to God and become willing to God's will of love and mercy for all, not self any longer, and says God Your will not mine and then each person's water Baptism, that they chose to get (does not have to do it, chooses), from Father, Daddy, PaPa spiritually becomes real and troubles or not follow and we each go through the earth fire of corruption, unto the Holy Fire of Elohim (Family of God and Son as Won (One) to relax in and not be anybody better than anybody else.
I now see, what Moses Saw, a burning bush, that does not burn up. The Holy Fire of God for us all to see and be new in trust to Father and Son as Won for us all
Wow, Father, thank you this being for us all to choose to stand in you too, thank you

 

[PaulThomson]

We all understand the basics of sin and what Jesus died for but there seem to be many different views about sin for instance this verse here
1 John 3:9:

"No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God

This can be viewed in different ways one of which is kind of astonishing because some take this verse and even claim they have no sin in them or do not sin this verse can be understood to mean that it is simply not possible for one born of God to sin another way is one is clean from sin because they are born of God but they still sin they just are free from it's power over them being human it makes sense another way is the understanding that one must not practice sin and practice being the key word here but they still fall short and thus rely on his grace when they do but a more concerning one is the train of thought for some that is since I still sin maybe I am not born again or some fear of losing their salvation because they cannot stop sinning the more they try the more they seem to screw up

However the bible is clear about one thing and that is that Christ died for our sins we all agree on this but then you have perfectionism the hypergrace term that came about in the past you have people who try hard to not sin and some call it works and others still who knowing they still sin do not fear it's power because Christ is thier shepherd and their advocate
But what are your thoughts on the topic of sin? where do you stand? what would you teach a new believer when discussing sin?

personally I fear for people with mental instability or depression because sin has a fear factor ruling their lives soin my view the blood of Christ cleanses us from sin and while we should not practice it we will fall short but that is when his grace takes over

The good news is that God's love for us and His passionate desire to have a loving relationship with you and me is proven by Jesus' willingness to be born as a human being, in order to bring this message to us personally, completely rejecting any violence towards those opposing Him, even to the point of allowing them to torture and kill Him for offering this loving relationship to people his opponents did not want Him to love and embrace. Jesus died to demonstrate God's willingness to forgive our sins and not hold them against us, so that we can enjoy intimacy with God.

67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,
68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,
69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;
70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:
71 That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;
72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;
73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,
74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,
75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.
76 And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways;
77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,
78 Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us,
79 To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace.

God knows we are dust: we are imperfect. Our spirit may be willing, but our flesh is weak. So, he has granted forgiveness to all people for all sins, and has only one requirement for us to be able to nestle under His wings: that we put our trust in Jesus. This means that we be grateful for Jesus coming, that we desire to know Jesus better, and that we genuinely desire to become like Jesus. We cannot draw near to God while we are not trusting Jesus, and we cannot be trusting Jesus at the same time as we are also practising behaviour of which Jesus disapproves. At such times we have stopped keeping Jesus in our knowledge, and are not trusting Him. If we insist on pushing Jesus out of our knowledge so that we can keep on doing what Jesus considers unloving, we risk becoming the kind of person the apostle Paul describes
Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened...
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient.

But God is always ready to renew our intimacy with Him, whenever we return to trusting Jesus. So, it is important that we discipline our minds to remind ourselves constantly that Jesus is present with and within us. And it is important that whenever we slip from the remembrance of Jesus we repent, we turn our mind back to Him and re-establish communion with our heavenly Father.

Isa 26:3 Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee.
Isa 26:4 Trust ye in the LORD for ever: for in the LORD JEHOVAH is everlasting strength:

 

[Jordon]

very interesting take on it So then if I may ask what do you think about the power of sin? what I mean is do you think sin has any power over a believer or are we perhaps no longer slaves to sin? true enough we all sin even being born again believers but how much influence do you think it has on even those in Christ?

Once a time Sin had power because the once a time the power of death was held by satan, I mean because of sin and the fall, all mankind was heading towards a spiritual death,

So once a time.sin had power, and we know that Jesus came and gave all who would believe in him to hold power over sin.

So before Jesus this was reversed and only a few could rule over sin, through constantly taking there thoughts to God.

However I feal this has not changed and we still need to take every thought captive, as we still battle against the flesh.

However as we grow through faith we get cleansed of all unrighteousness and we learn to live a life pleasing to lord,l.

Through fellowship and communion and talking things over no matter how trivial or minor including exposing the enemy through our spiritual ears
we learn all the ways of which we can overcome.

Plus.through fellowship we learn all the ways of the enemy.

.but most importantly through fellowship we faith build each other 😊

Peace and grace to you in the lord.
.

 

[Seeker47]

Am I crazy? Does anyone else see something missed here? (I hope it's just not me!)

God, through the blood of his Son, forgives spiritual sin. That sin no longer holds the power to separate us from the Creator God, it is gone, dead and buried forever. But God does not at the same time, absolve us of the earthly consequences of our sin, those remain. Commit murder, cheat on your spouse, drive drunk, lie to the IRS; you will find consequences, even after you have been forgiven.

Yet we have a God of unlimited mercy and grace who seeks a broken and contrite heard. When we confess our sins and receive God's spiritual forgiveness we must still deal with the earthly consequences which fall upon us. That means minimizing the earthly damage we have caused; accepting responsibility, correcting broken relationships, taking definitive steps to help ensure it does not happen again and serving as a positive example for others who may be tempted. Our consequences may still remain to one degree or another but we have pleased the Source Of All Grace and can seek his mercy.

I am not an expert on the end times but it appears to me even those forgiven and heaven bound are called to account for their earthly works.

 

[Jordon]

Am I crazy? Does anyone else see something missed here? (I hope it's just not me!)

God, through the blood of his Son, forgives spiritual sin. That sin no longer holds the power to separate us from the Creator God, it is gone, dead and buried forever. But God does not at the same time, absolve us of the earthly consequences of our sin, those remain. Commit murder, cheat on your spouse, drive drunk, lie to the IRS; you will find consequences, even after you have been forgiven.

Yet we have a God of unlimited mercy and grace who seeks a broken and contrite heard. When we confess our sins and receive God's spiritual forgiveness we must still deal with the earthly consequences which fall upon us. That means minimizing the earthly damage we have caused; accepting responsibility, correcting broken relationships, taking definitive steps to help ensure it does not happen again and serving as a positive example for others who may be tempted. Our consequences may still remain to one degree or another but we have pleased the Source Of All Grace and can seek his mercy.

I am not an expert on the end times but it appears to me even those forgiven and heaven bound are called to account for their earthly works.

I'm not sure why you would think there's something crazy going on ?

I suspect every Christian knows sin can be forgiven 😊 well at least those who are saved that is.

I believe sin still separates people from God untill the sinner asks Jesus into there life, as the only way to the father is through the son. But Jesus said in those days many will say lord lord, but Jesus says I will say to those people I never knew you.

But God will know who is sincere who is who an who is predestined and who isn't.

So you could say in that meaning sin still holds the power of death. as if the sinner does not ask Jesus into there life then there heading for a spiritual death, and to which they will also die in there sin and not be cleansed.

As in be cast into the lake of fire where the spirit is destroyed.

And who will destroy the spirit well that will also be the very word that saves, which is Jesus.

As the word say fear hime who the power to save and destroy the soul. That is Jesus

As Jesus is the word.
And his word his powerful, a double edged sword that judges every thought and motive, including how sincere a person is in seeking forgiveness, because it's one thing to ask for forgiveness, it's another to know that it's wrong and still keep in doing it.

The holy spirit can not just save all because ot such a person, because he has to be handed over by the father, who hands people to the son and the father is intelligent enough to know who to send to the son.

For me my views is the father knows who he will save and who he won't.

For those he won't maybe just maybe by some miraculous turn around, it may just happen but many will seek and few are chosen.

Jesus is not a free ticket to paradise.

And he should not be treated like one.

With all the said I will say peace and grace to you in the lord.

 

[homwardbound]

The good news is that God's love for us and His passionate desire to have a loving relationship with you and me is proven by Jesus' willingness to be born as a human being, in order to bring this message to us personally, completely rejecting any violence towards those opposing Him, even to the point of allowing them to torture and kill Him for offering this loving relationship to people his opponents did not want Him to love and embrace. Jesus died to demonstrate God's willingness to forgive our sins and not hold them against us, so that we can enjoy intimacy with God.

67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,
68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,
69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;
70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:
71 That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;
72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;
73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,
74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,
75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.
76 And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways;
77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,
78 Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us,
79 To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace.

God knows we are dust: we are imperfect. Our spirit may be willing, but our flesh is weak. So, he has granted forgiveness to all people for all sins, and has only one requirement for us to be able to nestle under His wings: that we put our trust in Jesus. This means that we be grateful for Jesus coming, that we desire to know Jesus better, and that we genuinely desire to become like Jesus. We cannot draw near to God while we are not trusting Jesus, and we cannot be trusting Jesus at the same time as we are also practising behaviour of which Jesus disapproves. At such times we have stopped keeping Jesus in our knowledge, and are not trusting Him. If we insist on pushing Jesus out of our knowledge so that we can keep on doing what Jesus considers unloving, we risk becoming the kind of person the apostle Paul describes
Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened...
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient.

But God is always ready to renew our intimacy with Him, whenever we return to trusting Jesus. So, it is important that we discipline our minds to remind ourselves constantly that Jesus is present with and within us. And it is important that whenever we slip from the remembrance of Jesus we repent, we turn our mind back to Him and re-establish communion with our heavenly Father.

Isa 26:3 Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee.
Isa 26:4 Trust ye in the LORD for ever: for in the LORD JEHOVAH is everlasting strength:

It is a continued belief, a no denying God, even if ever feel like to deny God over troubles. Kind of like seeing to be a Job in the book of JobThen deeper in Jesus going all the way to death and had never sinned once, was crucified for being good, better than the religious leaders that were there then. They got jealous and even saw truth, Jesus was/is the Son Of the most high
Matthew 21:38
But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.
Mark 12:7
But those husbandmen said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and the inheritance shall be ours.
Luke 20:14
But when the husbandmen saw him, they reasoned among themselves, saying, This is the heir: come, let us kill him, that the inheritance may be ours.

Yet this murder of the religious leaders, backfired, when saw him as risen
Paul spoke of the risen Son Jesus in Col 1,2 read it all please to stay in the context of truth from God through Paul to uni thank you
than what is written from you will give perfect peace in you, as I see you have and many others do too, thank you

 

[Seeker47]

I'm not sure why you would think there's something crazy going on ?

I suspect every Christian knows sin can be forgiven 😊 well at least those who are saved that is.

I believe sin still separates people from God untill the sinner asks Jesus into there life, as the only way to the father is through the son. But Jesus said in those days many will say lord lord, but Jesus says I will say to those people I never knew you.

But God will know who is sincere who is who an who is predestined and who isn't.

So you could say in that meaning sin still holds the power of death. as if the sinner does not ask Jesus into there life then there heading for a spiritual death, and to which they will also die in there sin and not be cleansed.

As in be cast into the lake of fire where the spirit is destroyed.

And who will destroy the spirit well that will also be the very word that saves, which is Jesus.

As the word say fear hime who the power to save and destroy the soul. That is Jesus

As Jesus is the word.
And his word his powerful, a double edged sword that judges every thought and motive, including how sincere a person is in seeking forgiveness, because it's one thing to ask for forgiveness, it's another to know that it's wrong and still keep in doing it.

The holy spirit can not just save all because ot such a person, because he has to be handed over by the father, who hands people to the son and the father is intelligent enough to know who to send to the son.

For me my views is the father knows who he will save and who he won't.

For those he won't maybe just maybe by some miraculous turn around, it may just happen but many will seek and few are chosen.

Jesus is not a free ticket to paradise.

And he should not be treated like one.

With all the said I will say peace and grace to you in the lord.

Tank you for your thoughtful response. I have no issue with what you have said.

The craziness is the failure to acknowledge the spiritual AND earthly consequences of sin. They have separate consequences and both need to be addressed while we are here. The earthly results of our sin may be wiped clean when we die, but un-addressed sin can devastate out lives. Just ask David, the one God said was a man, "... after His own heart." David suffered terrible earthly consequences for his sins with very little evidence he ever sought atonement.

We ignore the First Testament and focus on the Second at our own peril.

 

[Seeker47]

Thank you for your thoughtful response. I have no issue with what you have said.

The craziness is the failure to acknowledge the spiritual AND earthly consequences of sin. They have separate consequences and both need to be addressed while we are here. The earthly results of our sin may be wiped clean when we die, but un-addressed sin can devastate out lives. Just ask David, the one God said was a man, "... after His own heart." David suffered terrible earthly consequences for his sins with very little evidence he ever sought atonement.

We ignore the First Testament and focus on the Second at our own peril.

 

[homwardbound]

Tank you for your thoughtful response. I have no issue with what you have said.

The craziness is the failure to acknowledge the spiritual AND earthly consequences of sin. They have separate consequences and both need to be addressed while we are here. The earthly results of our sin may be wiped clean when we die, but un-addressed sin can devastate out lives. Just ask David, the one God said was a man, "... after His own heart." David suffered terrible earthly consequences for his sins with very little evidence he ever sought atonement.

We ignore the First Testament and focus on the Second at our own peril.

the age of grace was never meant to get or be taken for granted and be under Law still.
There is a fine line, Under Law/in Grace
God teaches God's kids new, and there is no taking grace for granted as the Corinthians did and Paul wrote to about this misuse in being 100% forgiven by God forever, reconciled through Son (2 Corinthians 5:17-20)
In the 2 Corinthians 7 the Chapter, I see Paul saw and heard they repented, ( they repented, Changed their minds) to belief and were then willing to get taught new from God Father in God's Holy Spirit and Truth (John 4:23-24) No more being like a wave in the sea, out and in. Or like a Teeter-Totter up and down one day and then the next, Tossed to and from by man's inventions of Doctrine in things to do or say
Matthew 23:15
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Do we, think that does not go one today still? Hoping God makes us each wise and remain harmless once know this truth too, thank you

 

[Jordon]

Tank you for your thoughtful response. I have no issue with what you have said.

The craziness is the failure to acknowledge the spiritual AND earthly consequences of sin. They have separate consequences and both need to be addressed while we are here. The earthly results of our sin may be wiped clean when we die, but un-addressed sin can devastate out lives. Just ask David, the one God said was a man, "... after His own heart." David suffered terrible earthly consequences for his sins with very little evidence he ever sought atonement.

We ignore the First Testament and focus on the Second at our own peril.

understood what you meant now ty. 😊

Thought I would ask coz i felt you had more to explain, I suppose it depends on who where hearing from, as in mature Christians or those who are growing.

All tho I sense we are discussing a topic that perhaps the author is trying to reach out to those struggling, i can speak of my own experience.

And my biggest weakest side I had was self control.

Its not easy at first it does get easier, but what makes self.comtrol harder to control, is when something else is also controling you, as in the things that cause addiction.

It's not untill i broke those habits that I really got a control on myself.