The truth behind the Law
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To remove any part of the Law is a sin, and there for Yeshua would be wrong to remove any part. I have seen many times that people wish to set one set of Laws a side, yet hold on to other parts. This simply can not be done and then say GIVE Tithes, or don't use drugs. They are not a part of the 10 C, so they should removed as well. Yet the people that follow teh idea of the Law being removed, hold fast to the parts they like. Why?
Goes back to what I asked above.
Even though you give this definition, Strongs, (not the best I know) as well as Brown give a different meaning. So on that we are going to say ok, and agree to disagree. Sorry, I have seen nothing to sway my thinking as yet. Besides, I still left with the understanding that with Law being removed, or abolished, there is no sin in the world, as I posted already, Rom. 5:13 and
1Jo. 3:4. I know this was not an easy thing to agree on, yet we can learn much in it's study. Though I have seen compelling statements, I have yet to see any that tells us, how Mat. 5:17-18 has changed anything.
As for looking to Paul, is it not Paul that said he didn't teach contrary to the Law? Ok it was said just like that, however in Acts, 21 we do find that this thought is being given. So for us to true around and say he has, would be placing his teaching under some rather questionable scrutiny, would it not?
There are 1050 Laws in the New testament. 613 in the Old.
When one looks at what is in the OT, they are repeated, hinted at, or refereed to in the NT. I once removed every word from the NT that, repeated, hinted at, or refereed to the OT. I came up with only one passage left. Jesus Wept.
That in fact made sense in my mind, as they only had the OT to teach from. Now I can't speak for any one other than myself. Yet to find that, and understand they had only the OT. If I was to find teaching that went contrary to the only scripture they had to teach from, then I would have to think something was wrong. That would, (as we know) have to my thinking. Can you see why this topic is dear to my heart now?
Now that is something I can understand. Logic, placed with true scripture works every time for me.
Really? Jesus magnified something that mankind is unable to keep?
Have you never read "The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law."
Jesus did exactly what He said He did, He came to fulfill the Law i.e to satisfy its requirements because mankind was unable to. If you put yourself under the Law, then you are obligated to fulfill the whole Law. And if you break it in one place, you break the whole thing and are guilty.
"Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.
I'm always amazed at those who don't understand how they are saved.
The Law has been fulfilled on our behalf. To live under after Jesus freed us from it, is to dishonor Christ.
Thats an easy one. I won't place any scripture here, as it would take way to long. The list would be close to the whole of the Torah.
HaShem in his wisdom, gave us a set of laws to live by. He also placed the laws in an orderly fashion for us. He took the time to divide them into both life stills, and peoples. (That is an over simplification,sorry) It is on us to study them out, seek out laws are meant for what Peoples, and so on. The laws that are for all Peoples, would be the ones that we should follow.
I know I heard it many times, "They were all give only to the Jewish people." That however is not true. When I hear this I simply know in my hear that someone needs to take a class on Biblical Law. You see there are Laws that were given long before there were any Hebrew people. That is what we must know, follow, and live by. After all IN Rev. as I pointed out, are we not told that saints keep the law, and the faith .
I am always left with the idea that for a person to say they follow Torah, others think, "they keep the sacrifices, oh my they are going to burn in Hell." I find that thinking sad, and Yes I have bee told that. Even though even the Hebrew People were told HaShem didn't want that from them. That comes from the OT.
I know this is way short, of everything that went through my mind, yet it does kind of answer your question in full.
I understand you to mean that He gave a clear understanding of it. I can agree with that yes. As is well seen, He showed us that Rabbinic law was sinful, and it is not the letter of the law we are to try to live up to, rather it is the Spirit of the law. Just as it has always been.
I can make it simpler: Are you attempting to obtain salvation by live according to the Law or are you saved by grace through faith?
I feel those passages fit into my teachings in the following ways. One, that Jesus as you call him HaShem, has come to teach me or us, whatever have you, that it is possible to live up too God's word and obey him. Two, that until we truly obey him or learn how to truly obey him, none of his laws will every be erased. Obviously, I know I'm not Jesus and will never come close to being him, but if he was able to live without sex, alcohol, drugs, what have you. Stands no reason the rest of us shouldn't be able to do the same. That's how I personally look at it.
HE said unless your righteousness exceed that of the Pharisees you will in no wise enter the kingdom of GOD
Its awesome what GOD has done because tell me a man who will profess himself apart from CHRIST and HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS and I will show you a man who is a fool and doesn't understand the magnitude of what GOD has done for us in HIS SON
Provided we remain IN HIM and do not "go out" from HIM
Shouldn't I be both. Trying to do what God's says and be saved through the faith I have in him???
HE died for us because there was no other way but by through and in HIM to be reconciled back to GOD and it's through faith in HIS sanctifying work that we live and follow and obey HIM by HIS LIFE and LEADING SPIRIT
My understanding of it, is that I have received God/Jesus in my mind,heart,and soul. And have asked him to show me how to live through his eyes. And I'm saved because one I have repented, and I have faith and believe that he is indeed going to show me the way. But if this is incorrect, please enlighten me on the correct way.
Yes I know, that's why I feel we should also have no troubles listening to a man, that honored his father by dying for my sins. I sometimes wonder, why have I ever been so easily influenced by people, especially people I know for a fact would not get up on a cross and be crucified for me. But thankfully because I know Jesus did, it gets easier and easier for me to personally just do what God tells me.