You tell me. Goats are definitely lost and unsaved. But so are sheep before they are found. What do you make of it?
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I do have a goatee, but I say "baa", not "maa".I don't know do you have a goaty beard
Maybe it should be called a sheeptee.
well what I was thinking was Adam died a spiritual death but yet the father clothed him.
And where still here 6000 years later
What I'm describing is the mindset of our father.
Like how did he manage to keep us in a place for 4000 years so we could be saved by his son
With man it is impossible, but all things are possible with God. And when God purposes a thing, it is often spoken of in past tense even prior to it coming to pass because of the certainty of it doing so.well what I was thinking was Adam died a spiritual death but yet the father clothed him.
And where still here 6000 years later
What I'm describing is the mindset of our father.
Like how did he manage to keep us in a place for 4000 years so we could be saved by his son
The wording you used is not correct.The Koran does not say at all that Jesus did not die on the cross.It says that Jesus didn't really die or actually dead.
If a believer dies, can you say that this person is actually dead?
Yes, that re-arrangement of words that you used means: All what people saw and experienced was an illusion.
This is like saying "We didn't go to the Moon". All that we saw was an illusion.
Conspiracy 101.
Except that we didn't go to the moon, but Jesus' resurrection is demonstrably true beyond all reasonable doubt.
Lol, Moses please don't throw a wrench with your hat because the situation is very confusing as it is.
We have a guy from China (Obidience) who speaks better English than ThunderMetal who's next door to England (Welsh) and we are talking about human experience and testimony followed by facts (such as the laser we bounce in the moon) or that the Japanese landed there again yesterday and the fact that the whole town or city would remember the death on the cross of the most influential person who healed the sick and raised the dead.
So, let's just have a coffee instead.
I think I'm discussing problems with illiterate people. The book says I'm alive, and people who study insist that I'm watching live TV.
It could be a misunderstanding so we can clear it up with more discussion.
The Koran says that crucifixion didn't happen.
What about all the people who saw the crucifixion?
Conspiracy?
This is hearsay.You'd better read what's written in the book yourself.
God said that there is only one true God in the world, but he never said that there is only one book about the true God.
Okay, so this is where the conversation hinges then. On this detail.
So, let's verify the detail then, right?
Tell me what you know about the crucifixion of Jesus according to the Koran and i will respond accordingly.
Send me a few sources, because all the sources i've spoken to and read, say that Jesus didn't die on the cross according to the Koran.
This is true and one of the least relevant things at all when looking into Islam. We want to go to the text they use to find out what is taught, and it's horrible, degenerate, and just about everything that God has told us not to be. This doesn't make "all Muslims" bad, in fact the vast majority have no clue how filthy Mohammed was, nor that allah is in fact satan of the Bible. It's a wicked system created by a wicked group of men. It doesn't matter how great any individual acts, that can never change the pure evil Islam is at it's core.
understood brother
So now this brings me to the father
In your opinion brother who said the words never will I leave you or never will I forsake you, was that the son or the father
I don't believe a distinction is necessary. We are kept in both Jesus' hands and the hands of the Father. In John 14 we tabernacle with both the Father and the Son. It's a package deal. We are saved to commune with the Father through the Son by the Spirit.understood brother
So now this brings me to the father
In your opinion brother who said the words never will I leave you or never will I forsake you, was that the son or the father
And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, the messenger of Allāh." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.
https://quran.com/4/157?translations=17,19,20,21,85,18,22,95,84,101
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