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calibob

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Funny that you tell me to give you a direct answer to a question when you never actually deal with any point I make. You avoid dealing with them like the plague. Because you cannot adequately deal with them. Your conspiracy theories are based on air, conjecture, and flaky websites. Every thing you write is fluff and supposition, with no visible means of support.

What happens with Trump in office has no bearing on the United States. Prophecy has not, does not now, and will not in the future center on the United States. Prophecy revolves around Jesus, Israel, and the realm of the Middle east, in that order. Anything outside of that sphere is merely part of the greater scope of the fulfillment of the prophecy and is tangential to the goal of the End Times: The restoration of Israel and Jesus' promised 1000 year reign on the Earth. It is academic what happens to the United States since they will not be a major player in the End Times. Every nation abandons Israel in the end. That would include America. By the time the Tribulation rolls around, America is going to be a 3rd-world also-ran. We are already on our way there now.

Trump is nothing but a momentary roadblock to eventual Socialism and complete moral, social and monetary decay.
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The revelation of John is the future of the entire world! Yeah Israel is going to blown away. Sodom and Gomorrah would seem like a picnic compared to what happens to the cities that rejected the Lord and the Apostles shook the dust from their sandals at. The Beast will sit in the mercy seat and proclaim himself to be God before the Lord, the angels and saints come through the eastern gate. Trump is only a patsy or stooge. He's not rich, smart or personable enough to be the antichrist and neither is Bernie or Hillary.
 
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"We have met the enemy...and it is US!"


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calibob said:
The revelation of John is the future of the entire world! Yeah Israel is going to blown away. Sodom and Gomorrah would seem like a picnic compared to what happens to the cities that rejected the Lord and the Apostles shook the dust from their sandals at. The Beast will sit in the mercy seat and proclaim himself to be God before the Lord, the angels and saints come through the eastern gate. Trump is only a patsy or stooge. He's not rich, smart or personable enough to be the antichrist and neither is Bernie or Hillary.
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Trump is just another politician. He is not some Svengali or figurehead for some bogus conspiracy theory. He is popular, at this time, because he does not embrace the Progressive Liberal rhetoric that is being spewed from D.C. ad nauseam by every Democrat out there. And the majority of the general populace is sick of hearing it as well. The DNC does not speak for the majority of America, but despite the fact that the majority of America is patriotic and anti-socialist, the majority of them also have no real moral core, and they are not worried about the severe moral decay of the country.

Yes, Israel suffers greatly during the Tribulation, but in the end, they are redeemed. That is the entire point. The rest of the world, at that time, will still steadfastly refuse to accept Christ, despite all the suffering and death that they know is being caused by God. That is the entire point. And Jesus receives His promised throne. That is the entire point. Individual nations beyond Israel are unimportant to the main focus of Revelation.
 
calibob

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cobalt1959 said:
Trump is just another politician. He is not some Svengali or figurehead for some bogus conspiracy theory. He is popular, at this time, because he does not embrace the Progressive Liberal rhetoric that is being spewed from D.C. ad nauseam by every Democrat out there. And the majority of the general populace is sick of hearing it as well. The DNC does not speak for the majority of America, but despite the fact that the majority of America is patriotic and anti-socialist, the majority of them also have no real moral core, and they are not worried about the severe moral decay of the country.

Yes, Israel suffers greatly during the Tribulation, but in the end, they are redeemed. That is the entire point. The rest of the world, at that time, will still steadfastly refuse to accept Christ, despite all the suffering and death that they know is being caused by God. That is the entire point. And Jesus receives His promised throne. That is the entire point. Individual nations beyond Israel are unimportant to the main focus of Revelation.
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Don't you believe Israel's inheritance was taken away and handed over to the gentiles when they rejected Christ? The Christians in Israel are saved of course but Israel the nation will be judged for it's adultery and destroyed with every other nation on the earth.
 
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calibob said:
Don't you believe Israel's inheritance was taken away and handed over to the gentiles when they rejected Christ? The Christians in Israel are saved of course but Israel the nation will be judged for it's adultery and destroyed with every other nation on the earth.
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According to Scripture, Israel will accept Him at His seconding coming. A remnant will be protected during the 1260 reign of the anti-Christ and will survive. Jesus will rule the world for 1000 years from Jerusalem as the king of the Jews.
The nation ceased to exist in 70 AD until 1948 because they rejected Christ.
God always saved a few with each attempt to destroy them all.
The regathering of the Jews and the establishing of a nation in 1948, and they being restored for 70 years, is a fulfillment of Scripture.
When the anti-Christ attacks Israel and drives them into the wilderness (Negev desert) you will know that the second coming of Jesus is only 1260 days away.
Israel will be the only nation that survives the wrath of God.
 
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I don't know about the catholic church but I do know know that Trump is the most non christian president we have ever had. the things he does that seem to be fore the church is all for their vote period heck what 8 years ago he was pro choice .
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Try OBAMA.....he coddled the Muslim Brotherhood and done away with standing traditions like PRAYER breakfast......
 
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dcontroversal said:
Try OBAMA.....he coddled the Muslim Brotherhood and done away with standing traditions like PRAYER breakfast......
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Choosing between the lesser of two evils is like choosing between Cyanide and Strychnine. They will both kill us if we are not careful. Choosing between evils is still choosing evil. The Devil is a trickster he tried to trick the Lord and he's trying to trick the rest of the world!
 
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SpoonJuly said:
According to Scripture, Israel will accept Him at His seconding coming. A remnant will be protected during the 1260 reign of the anti-Christ and will survive. Jesus will rule the world for 1000 years from Jerusalem as the king of the Jews.
The nation ceased to exist in 70 AD until 1948 because they rejected Christ.
God always saved a few with each attempt to destroy them all.
The regathering of the Jews and the establishing of a nation in 1948, and they being restored for 70 years, is a fulfillment of Scripture.
When the anti-Christ attacks Israel and drives them into the wilderness (Negev desert) you will know that the second coming of Jesus is only 1260 days away.
Israel will be the only nation that survives the wrath of God.
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I suppose it depends on how we define nation. If as Christians we are adopted into the family of God are we not also now the descendant's of Abraham? Not from the flesh but by being circumcised within the heart. Are not the new nation of Israel?

After the resurrection and the rapture will not every land and all of the people who have rejected the Messiah and/or chose to obey the beast be destroyed with every standing nation left in the world?
 
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calibob said:
Choosing between the lesser of two evils is like choosing between Cyanide and Strychnine. They will both kill us if we are not careful. Choosing between evils is still choosing evil. The Devil is a trickster he tried to trick the Lord and he's trying to trick the rest of the world!
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I never chose anyone, just making a point that OBAMA was way more anti-Christian than Trump......
 
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calibob said:
I suppose it depends on how we define nation. If as Christians we are adopted into the family of God are we not also now the descendant's of Abraham? Not from the flesh but by being circumcised within the heart. Are not the new nation of Israel?

After the resurrection and the rapture will not every land and all of the people who have rejected the Messiah and/or chose to obey the beast be destroyed with every standing nation left in the world?
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The key is that Israel will repent and accept Jesus at His second coming.
They will never obey the beast. The beast will try to destroy Israel but God will not allow it to happen as He protects them from the beast for 1260 days that ends at Jesus' second coming.
Study Zachariah 12 and Ezekiel 34.
 
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dcontroversal said:
I never chose anyone, just making a point that OBAMA was way more anti-Christian than Trump......
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I wasn't singling you out but made the statement for the followers of this thread. I agree the Obama is evil! Maybe the most antichristian pres. of our lifetimes so far.
 
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SpoonJuly said:
The key is that Israel will repent and accept Jesus at His second coming.
They will never obey the beast. The beast will try to destroy Israel but God will not allow it to happen as He protects them from the beast for 1260 days that ends at Jesus' second coming.
Study Zachariah 12 and Ezekiel 34.
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I thought they had to repent BEFORE he returns or face his wrath. Isn't it too late after won't he say depart from me I never knew you and cast them into the lake of fire with all who never asked the Lord into their lives? The time for repentance is now!
 
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calibob said:
I thought they had to repent BEFORE he returns or face his wrath. Isn't it too late after won't he say depart from me I never knew you and cast them into the lake of fire with all who never asked the Lord into their lives? The time for repentance is now!
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They will not acknowledge him until the look upon him whom they pierced and then they will weep for him like one weeps for a first born son.....Zechariah
 
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calibob said:
I wasn't singling you out but made the statement for the followers of this thread. I agree the Obama is evil! Maybe the most antichristian pres. of our lifetimes so far.
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Well he as much as admitted to being Muslim when he said the Muslim call to prayer was the most wonderful sound on earth. I mean, have you ever heard that shrill crap? And you hear it all over the city? That would drive me nuts after one day. No Christian would say that, it sounds demonic to me.
 
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kaylagrl said:
Well he as much as admitted to being Muslim when he said the Muslim call to prayer was the most wonderful sound on earth. I mean, have you ever heard that shrill crap? And you hear it all over the city? That would drive me nuts after one day. No Christian would say that, it sounds demonic to me.
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Indeed.............and I agree
 
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calibob said:
Don't you believe Israel's inheritance was taken away and handed over to the gentiles when they rejected Christ? The Christians in Israel are saved of course but Israel the nation will be judged for it's adultery and destroyed with every other nation on the earth.
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No, I do not. What you are advocating is known as Replacement Theology. The Church Age, i.e., the "Gentile" Church ends at the Rapture. You need to study Romans 11. Paul does not believe Israel's inheritance has been removed from them.
 
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cobalt1959 said:
No, I do not. What you are advocating is known as Replacement Theology. The Church Age, i.e., the "Gentile" Church ends at the Rapture. You need to study Romans 11. Paul does not believe Israel's inheritance has been removed from them.
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Ok, I've just re-read it and because it was written before John's revelation I thein the part of the Hebrews that will be saved is the 144,000 that are taken with the first resurrection and the rapture. That the only way to be saved after is to refuse to worship the beast or take the mark unto death.

And that being a born again Gentile my self. I can only carry the message of salvation or pity to those who won't receive it. I am not an anti Semite nor any other genealogical group of people. Those who don't receive the Lord before the first death will face judgment will be dealt with very harshly but some will still rise with the second resurrection when the devil is loosed upon us and them again. Then the final judgement will occur and the wheat will be sepperated from the wheat and the weeds will be burned.

Most of the Jews that have or will be saved will be taken in the rapture and all who are left will have to suffer the tribulation. I THINK. I don't claim to be an expert on the end times and I've been taught pre, mid and late trib., rapture theories. So I'll admit that 'I' certainly can't claim to know for sure.
 
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dcontroversal said:
Indeed.............and I agree
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Just another false man made religion like Mormonism Joseph Smith and Mohamed may have been visited by the same or similar demons. The stories are to similar. I doubt if they are a coincidence The whole of them are most likely sincere and some devoted. Sincerely mistaken that is. :cry:
 
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kaylagrl said:
Well he as much as admitted to being Muslim when he said the Muslim call to prayer was the most wonderful sound on earth. I mean, have you ever heard that shrill crap? And you hear it all over the city? That would drive me nuts after one day. No Christian would say that, it sounds demonic to me.
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Obama openly mocked the Bible and almost always referred to the Koran as "holy."
 
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calibob said:
Just another false man made religion like Mormonism Joseph Smith and Mohamed may have been visited by the same or similar demons. The stories are to similar. I doubt if they are a coincidence The whole of them are most likely sincere and some devoted. Sincerely mistaken that is. :cry:
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Very similar due to the same source of evil....
 
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