The Trinity

[JacobMartinMertens]

great! thank you! the Greek words you gave are the ones we combine in English for the word theology... words about God, in a sense.

since you're familiar with Spanish, and i am, too, let's use a Spanish example. in a Spanish Bible, Jn 1:18 may begin
A Dios nadie no ha visto nunca

or, translation dependent

Nadie ha visto jamás a Dios

my point is, often when translating from one language to another, word order changes. grammar and syntax rules change.
i appreciate you reading this, and i also appreciate your courtesy in this thread.

Thank you. I don't know how to translate this Spanish. It starts, To God... .

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Thank you. I don't know how to translate this Spanish. It starts, To God... .

the point he is trying to make is a very valid one.

the Hebrew Language has 22 Letters and each individual Letter are also the Numbers for their counting system.
and they took the Egyptian Hieroglyphs, when they were Slaves in Egypt, and took those images and contorted them to a new symbol/image and that became their Alphabet - Lettering and Mathematical - Numbering System.

so, the Hebrew Language, is unlike many other known Languages.
that makes it hard to not just understand the "word" being translated, but when the Scribes write the Scroll, the words in the Bible give meaning to both the Letter and Number Value for Letter in a Word + they emphasize the flow of the text.

so, when Greek tries to translate a Hebrew word, Greek, only can translate the root word, not what the number means or how the flow of this Story is to be told and understood. it's close, but not anywhere one can claim it to be absolute.


so, when you can take the Hebrew and translate directly to English, or the Aramaic, because Aramaic is literally Short Hand Hebrew, to English, you see why the Hebrew to English and Aramaic to English have similar word characters, meanings, and numbering system + the flow of Context.

so then, when we Translate Yeshua [Jesus] saying, I AM THE LIVING GOD, we know it's pretty darn close to Absolute!

 

[Mem]

These teaching are absent from the Bible.

So, since it isn't written in the Bible, do you suppose that there is a possibility the Father and the Spirit do not possess the fullness of deity in any form whatsoever?

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

the point he is trying to make is a very valid one.

the Hebrew Language has 22 Letters and each individual Letter are also the Numbers for their counting system.
and they took the Egyptian Hieroglyphs, when they were Slaves in Egypt, and took those images and contorted them to a new symbol/image and that became their Alphabet - Lettering and Mathematical - Numbering System.

so, the Hebrew Language, is unlike many other known Languages.
that makes it hard to not just understand the "word" being translated, but when the Scribes write the Scroll, the words in the Bible give meaning to both the Letter and Number Value for Letter in a Word + they emphasize the flow of the text.

so, when Greek tries to translate a Hebrew word, Greek, only can translate the root word, not what the number means or how the flow of this Story is to be told and understood. it's close, but not anywhere one can claim it to be absolute.


so, when you can take the Hebrew and translate directly to English, or the Aramaic, because Aramaic is literally Short Hand Hebrew, to English, you see why the Hebrew to English and Aramaic to English have similar word characters, meanings, and numbering system + the flow of Context.

so then, when we Translate Yeshua [Jesus] saying, I AM THE LIVING GOD, we know it's pretty darn close to Absolute!

I don't follow you in all of this. Meaning, I don't accept what you are saying.

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

So, since it isn't written in the Bible, do you suppose that there is a possibility the Father and the Spirit do not possess the fullness of deity in any form whatsoever?

The text doesn't say anything about these matters.

 

[Mem]

In times past, God overlooked ignorance but now commands all men everywhere to repent (Act 17:30)

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

In times past, God overlooked ignorance but now commands all men everywhere to repent (Act 17:30)

Amen.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

I don't follow you in all of this. Meaning, I don't accept what you are saying.

no worries if you accept it or not, i am posting what everyone, but YOU, already knows because it's been proven by Science and Research to be fact. It's beyond a Theory, that can be changed, it is a FACT, that will remain forever!

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

no worries if you accept it or not, i am posting what everyone, but YOU, already knows because it's been proven by Science and Research to be fact. It's beyond a Theory, that can be changed, it is a FACT, that will remain forever!

You are speaking in broad generalities I think.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

You are speaking in broad generalities I think.

i am speaking about how the Hebrew Language is Structured, no other Language matches it so you can never get the truest interpretation.

unless, you have those whom Speak both Languages [Hebrew/Aramaic to English] fluently, like many Scribes do, and can write what Text Correctly means.

so, the ancient Greek, never got it fully right.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Papias included a brief account in his Expositions regarding the composition of Matthew: “Matthew collected (συνετVξατο, sunetaxato) the oracles (τ λ`για, ta logia) in the Hebrew language ({ΕβραÄδι διαλXκτå, Hebraidi dialekto-i), and each interpreted (ºρµZνευσεν, hermeneusen) them as best he could.”16


this says: Matthew collected the Oracles in the Hebrew Language, and each interpreted them [[as best]] he could.

so, none of them are 100% correct, and Papias only could say...THEY DID BEST HE COULD lololololololololol

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Jacob, what you can take to the Bank and Guarantee based upon Your Own Salvation, is what Jesus says in these [[3]] Verses of Scripture:

Matthew Chapter 14:

25. But in the fourth watch of the night, Yeshua came unto them, while he was walking on the water.
26. And his disciples saw him, that he was walking on the water, and they were alarmed and they were saying, "It is a hallucination", and they cried out in fear.
7. But Yeshua immediately spoke with them and he said, "Take heart; I AM THE LIVING GOD*. Do not be afraid."
28. And Kaypha answered and he said to him, "My Lord, if you are He, command me to come unto you on the water."
29. And Yeshua said to him, "Come", and Kaypha went down from the ship and he walked on the water to come to Yeshua.

Mark 14:

60. The High Priest stood up in the center and asked Yeshua, and he said, "Do you not answer? Why are these testifying against you?"
61. But he was silent, and he did not answer him anything. And again, The High Priest asked him and said, "Are you The Messiah, The Son of The Blessed One?"
62. But Yeshua said to him, "I AM THE LIVING GOD, and you shall behold The Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of Heaven."
63. But The High Priest ripped his tunic and he said, "Why now do we need witnesses?"
64. "Behold, you have heard the blasphemy from his own mouth. How does it appear to you?" But they all judged that he deserved death.

John Chapter 8:

56. "Abraham your father desired to see my day, and he saw it and rejoiced."
57. The Jews were saying to him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and you have seen Abraham?"
58. Yeshua said to them: "Timeless truth I speak to you: Before Abraham would exist, I AM THE LIVING GOD."
59. And they picked up stones to stone him, and Yeshua hid himself and went out from The Temple and passed through their midst and moved on.

You can count on this TRUTH, said by Jesus: Yeshua said to him, I AM THE LIVING GOD!!

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

Would a doctrine of the Trinity include a set of verses for each of three gods?

 

[CS1]

Would a doctrine of the Trinity include a set of verses for each of three gods?

That is the what the Trinity is nor is it understandable fully. One cannot Comprehend Fully The Divine Nature of God we can only apprehend.

 

[ewq1938]

Would a doctrine of the Trinity include a set of verses for each of three gods?

The Trinity isn't 3 separate gods. The three form a single God. God in this concept isn't a person like god's created in the imagination of man.

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

That is the what the Trinity is nor is it understandable fully. One cannot Comprehend Fully The Divine Nature of God we can only apprehend.

Interesting. But do you have a verse about the Divine Nature? Is the Divine Nature God?

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

The Trinity isn't 3 separate gods. The three form a single God. God in this concept isn't a person like god's created in the imagination of man.

So would you say that you agree with one or both of the following?

There is a Father, a Son, and a Holy Spirit.

And...

There is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

 

[CS1]

Interesting. But do you have a verse about the Divine Nature? Is the Divine Nature God?

There are only three Revelations of God to man.

1. General Revelation: we know God is by what He created.
2. Special Revelation HIS word Genesis to Revelation
3. Ilumnation by the relationship we have Through The Lord Jesus Christ and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit that Bares witness that we are HIS.

We know from the Word of God He has Attributes:


Omnipotent
Omnipresent
Omniscient
Immutable
Impartial
Incomprehensible
Infinite
Righteous
Self-existent
Self-sufficient
Sovereign
Holy
Loving
Merciful
Forgiving

• Genesis 1:26-27. ...
• John 4:24. ...
• John 1:1-4. ...
• John 14:6-11. ...
• John 1:18. ...
• John 17:3. ...
• 1 John 3:1-2. ...
• John 17:20-24.

 

[ewq1938]

So would you say that you agree with one or both of the following?

There is a Father, a Son, and a Holy Spirit.

And...

There is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

This is correct as long as one does not think these are 3 Gods. If that is confusing wording then this might be better:

There is God: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Think of the Trinity/God like the bride of Christ. There is one bride of Christ, yet a large number of men and women form this one bride. Each individual will spiritually wed Christ but that doesn't equal there being a large number of brides in the grander picture where it's just one groom and one bride.

Three forming a single God and and a large number of Christians forming a single bride. There isn't multiple Gods anymore than there are multiple brides.

 

[CS1]

Interesting. But do you have a verse about the Divine Nature? Is the Divine Nature God?

YOU have a nature and attributes. Are you who you say you are? Or do your actions speak of what you are?


God is Divine Because he is Spirit unless you deny that. God has a personality we see in the word of God and He has attributes as the word of God says.

God is not a man that HE should lie.
God is Holy; there is no other
God is all-knowing
God is all presence
God is unchanging
God speaks
God heals
God is a Jealous God

Those are all attributes of the Living God that speak of HIS Nature.