And yet... He's not at the same time. The Father, the Son, and the Spirit are all ONE
God is not 3 different persons no more then you are 3 different persons
The Trinity.
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And yet... He's not at the same time. The Father, the Son, and the Spirit are all ONE
God is not 3 different persons no more then you are 3 different persons
1. No man can see God and live
The Full Glory of God outside the confines of a human body cannot be seen. I agree
2. The voice that spoke " This is my Beloved Son" and was heard BY John the Baptist, who bore a record of what he saw and heard, was God speaking.
Jesus' human nature by right is the Son of God. Jesus' Divine nature is Almighty God.
To understand this scene, we must remember that God is omnipresent. Jesus is God and was God manifested in flesh while on earth. He could not and did not sacrifice His omnipresence while on earth because that is one of God’s basic attributes, and God does not change. Of course, the physical body of Jesus was not omnipresent, but His Spirit was. Furthermore, although the fullness of God’s character was resident in the body of Jesus, the omnipresent Spirit of Jesus could not be so confined. Thus, Jesus could be on earth and in heaven at the same time (John 3:13) and with two or three of His disciples at any time (Matthew 18:20).
3. Jesus called God the Father, and that was not Metaphorical or Symbolism
See. Above
4. Jesus said I go to my Father and was taken up Literally
Jesus said I will not leave you comfortless. If I go, I will send you "Another. " Meaning like the same as me. John 14:15,26, 15:26
In John 14:16, Jesus promised to send another Comforter. In verse 26 He identified the Comforter as the Holy Ghost. Does this imply that the Holy Ghost is another person in the Godhead? No. It is clear from the context that the Holy Ghost is simply Jesus in another form or manifestation. In other words, “another Comforter” means Jesus in the Spirit as opposed to Jesus in the flesh. In verse 16 Jesus told the disciples about the other Comforter. Then in verse 17 Jesus told them they knew the Comforter already, because He dwelt with them and would be in them. Who dwelt with the disciples at that time? Jesus, of —195—course. The Spirit of Jesus dwelt with the disciples since the Spirit was robed in the flesh, but soon the Spirit would be in the disciples through the gift of the Holy Spirit. Jesus made this even clearer when He said in verse 18, “I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.” Jesus went to heaven in His glorified body so He could form a new relationship with His disciples, by sending back His own Spirit as the Comforter. He said to them, “It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you” (John 16:7). The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ (Romans 8:9; II Corinthians 3:17-18). When we have the Spirit in us, we have Christ in us (Ephesians 3:16-17).
Not one person though. You don't know the difference between the Greek Hen and Heis (both words mean "one")
John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
John 10:30
Egoó kaí ho Pateér hén esmen
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I and my Father one are
(Interlinear Transliterated Bible. Copyright (c) 1994 by Biblesoft)
"One. Gr. "hen" Neut., one in essence, not one person which would be "heis", masc. This is the climax of His claim to oneness with The Father in vv. 18, 25, 28, 29. Compare also V. 38; 14:11 Rev 22:3"
According to Bullinger, an accomplished Greek scholar, the word for "one" is "hen" the Neut. form of the word "heis". "heis" means "one" of person but "hen" means "one" in essence and not one person!
John 10:30 I and my Father are one [in essence].
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John 10:30 I and my Father are [spiritually] one.
This is what Christ said.
Matthew Henry also confirms this:
http://www.ccel.org/h/henry/mhc2/MHC43010.HTM
Further to corroborate the security, that the sheep of Christ may have strong consolation, he asserts the union of these two undertakers: "I and my Father are one, and have jointly and severally undertaken for the protection of the saints and their perfection." This denotes more than the harmony, and consent, and good understanding, that were between the Father and the Son in the work of man's redemption. Every good man is so far one with God as to concur with him; therefore it must be meant of the oneness of the nature of Father and Son, that they are the same in substance, and equal in power and glory. The fathers urged this both against the Sabellians, to prove the distinction and plurality of the persons, that the Father and the Son are two, and against the Arians, to prove the unity of the nature, that these two are one. If we should altogether hold our peace concerning this sense of the words, even the stones which the Jews took up to cast at him would speak it out, for the Jews understood him as hereby making himself God (v. 33) and he did not deny it. He proves that none could pluck them out of his hand because they could not pluck them out of the Father's hand, which had not been a conclusive argument if the Son had not had the same almighty power with the Father, and consequently been one with him in essence and operation.
"the union of these two undertakers"
"therefore it must be meant of the oneness of the nature of Father and Son"
"to prove the distinction and plurality of the persons, that the Father and the Son are two"
"one with him in essence and operation"
More ignorant comments from one who is now showing his true colors. Anti-Trinitarianism is heretical.
I never said there was no Father, or Son, or Holy Spirit... did i?
No, I did not.
I'm simply saying God is ONE and He is THREE all at the same time which is what scripture says!
1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are ONE.
Concerning the trinity... the Father, the Son, and the Spirit... are One!
You are getting confused because you are trying to put God in a neat little box that you can understand with your natural mind rather than simply accepting what God says in His Word.
Hang in there man... you'll get it if you keep waiting on the Lord!.... unless you want to claim 1 John 5:7 is a lie???
There is only one God, a Trinity. God the Father, God the Son and God the HS. Maybes it's complex math but three form a single God not 3 Gods.
Example: One soup put into three separate bowls. It's not three different soups but one soup portioned into three containers.
Not one person but one of essence. Your lack of knowledge of the Greek language is causing your error.
John 10:30
Egoó kaí ho Pateér hén esmen
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I and my Father one are
(Interlinear Transliterated Bible. Copyright (c) 1994 by Biblesoft)
"One. Gr. "hen" Neut., one in essence, not one person which would be "heis", masc. This is the climax of His claim to oneness with The Father in vv. 18, 25, 28, 29. Compare also V. 38; 14:11 Rev 22:3"
I know the wording was a little odd. I was just simply trying to show the Omniscient Spirit of God that resides in Christ in all fullness.
Mark 1:9-11
9 And it came to pass in those days that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan.
10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Holy Ghost descending upon him like a dove.
11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
First of ALL what a marvelous picture painted here. I can only Imagine the awe and shock on all there seeing this unfold.
Scripture is very clear God the Father of Jesus (and ALL who would believe) is Speaking to those present and to His Son (Because in His humanity he is The Son, but in His Deity He is God the Father)
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Your lack of simply accepting what God says... is causing you all kinds of trouble over there!
Just agree with what the Lord says...
I'm simply saying God is ONE and He is THREE all at the same time which is what scripture says!
1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are ONE.
Concerning the trinity... the Father, the Son, and the Spirit... are One!
Hang in there bud... you'll get it one of these days!
While I love this verse, the Bible is clear, the The Three, the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit are one. This speaks of unity. The Bible didnt say the Three is one, that makes oneness. The verse is a trinitarian view.
Actually, the TRUE 1 John 5:6-8 is ALL ABOUT ONENESS, the ONENESS, of the Spirit-Water-Blood = JESUS
6. This is he who came by water and blood, Yeshua The Messiah; it was not by water only, but by water and blood.
7. And The Spirit testifies because The Spirit is the truth.
8. And there are three testifying: The Spirit and the water and the blood, and the three of them are in one.
everyone with a clue, like the majority of Biblical scholars and theologians, agree, the Catholics added Father-WORD-Holy Spirit later on by virtue of the Latin Vulgate [this was NEVER in the Original Greek].
6. This is he who came by water and blood, Yeshua The Messiah; it was not by water only, but by water and blood.
7. And The Spirit testifies because The Spirit is the truth.
8. And there are three testifying: The Spirit and the water and the blood, and the three of them are in one.
everyone with a clue, like the majority of Biblical scholars and theologians, agree, the Catholics added Father-WORD-Holy Spirit later on by virtue of the Latin Vulgate [this was NEVER in the Original Greek].
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you might get 1 or even a few scholars say otherwise, but 3 opinions versus hundreds clearly shows the 3's claims are typically of "Personal Interest and self Gain only."
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much like this Thread, for many who are participating.
you might get 1 or even a few scholars say otherwise, but 3 opinions versus hundreds clearly shows the 3's claims are typically of "Personal Interest and self Gain only."
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much like this Thread, for many who are participating.
If verse 8 can speak of three being one or in one, why can't a verse say the same about the Father, Word and Spirit? They sound in harmony to me.
1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
1Jn 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
Also, your verse 7 doesn't match the first part of verse 7 in the KJV. It says in the Greek, "ὅτι τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες εν τῷ οὐρανῷ, " "For there are three that bear record in heaven" but your verse has none of that.
Obviously three bearing witness in heaven and in Earth are a match and make sense. The alternative makes no sense.
because, that's not what JOHN WROTE.
John, had a PURPOSE, from the HOLY SPIRIT, for what he wrote.
it's not YOUR, MINE, anyone, especially the RCC, place to change it.
when someone changes it, it becomes DEAD and bastardized. and that's what they did!
That is absolutely correct. This was analyzed by many genuine scholars a long time ago, who showed that verse 7 is an integral part of this passage. It was REMOVED with the help of Unitarians. Many others have shown that 1 John 5:7 was either quoted or shown to be present in the writings from early times.
All the naysayers should read and study this article.
A Defense of 1 John 5:7 https://www.wayoflife.org/reports/a-defense-of-1-john.php