The tree of knowledge of good and evil

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Luke 3:38... the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.

"the son" is an editorial fill, i.e. there are no words for it in the Greek
manuscripts, viz; it's an interpretation rather than a translation. Caveat
Lector.

* According to John 1:14, John 1:18, John 3:16, John 3:18, and 1John 4:9,
God has but one descendant by means of reproduction. Born-again
Christians sometimes identify as God's paternal kin, but in reality they are
His handiwork, viz: creations taken into God's home by means of adoption.
(2Cor 5:17, Gal 6:15, Eph 2:10, Eph 4:24, Col 3:10 & Rom 8:15, Gal 4:5,
Eph 1:5)

NOTE: Born-again Christians identifying as God's paternal kin are sort of like
men identifying as women so they can compete in women's sports, viz: they
are frauds
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[posthuman]

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"the son" is an editorial fill, i.e. there are no words for it in the Greek
manuscripts, viz; it's an interpretation rather than a translation. Caveat
Lector.

* According to John 1:14, John 1:18, John 3:16, John 3:18, and 1John 4:9,
God has but one descendant by means of reproduction. Born-again
Christians sometimes identify as God's paternal kin, but in reality they are
His handiwork, viz: creations taken into God's home by means of adoption.
(2Cor 5:17, Gal 6:15, Eph 2:10, Eph 4:24, Col 3:10 & Rom 8:15, Gal 4:5,
Eph 1:5)

NOTE: Born-again Christians identifying as God's paternal kin are sort of like
men identifying as women so they can compete in women's sports, viz: they
are frauds
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Luke 3 is a genealogy. "son of" is an interpretive fill throughout.

if you have an objection to this you need to explain why it doesn't belong anywhere in the whole genealogy, otherwise you are eisegeting, picking one part of the scriptures to object to, merely on the basis that it that doesn't fit your understanding, without taking into account the whole.

You want to throw it out of 37 other verses and all of its context too?
Or just the one spot that nullified your private interpretation?

 

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"the son" is an editorial fill, i.e. there are no words for it in the Greek
manuscripts, viz; it's an interpretation rather than a translation. Caveat
Lector.

* According to John 1:14, John 1:18, John 3:16, John 3:18, and 1John 4:9,
God has but one descendant by means of reproduction. Born-again
Christians sometimes identify as God's paternal kin, but in reality they are
His handiwork, viz: creations taken into God's home by means of adoption.
(2Cor 5:17, Gal 6:15, Eph 2:10, Eph 4:24, Col 3:10 & Rom 8:15, Gal 4:5,
Eph 1:5)

NOTE: Born-again Christians identifying as God's paternal kin are sort of like
men identifying as women so they can compete in women's sports, viz: they
are frauds
_

For your view to be correct, you need to explain why God is wrong to put Himself in Jesus Christ's genealogy.

God wrote Luke 3.

 

[UnoiAmarah]

the same as those with Paul on the road to Damascus heard
a sound, but not the fact that words were being spoken... it was just an unintelligible sound.

The Holy Ghost can speak in words.

Acts 9:7
And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.

 

[UnoiAmarah]

Fall of Adam:

1.) It has been essential, orthodox, and broadly accepted Christian doctrine, for 2 millennia, that Adam "fell" in a spiritual sense, due to sin, and lost his perfect fellowship with God.

I appreciate your response. I and I acknowledge what you say is true. That is what they say,

However, "A long history of not thinking a thing wrong gives it the superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom"

And of course the LORD picked Adam up, because the LORD is the same yesterday, today and forever correct?

2.) There are many many verses to show and explain this, in many different ways.
(I even quoted a few, which you ignored.)

I didn't ignore them.

John 3:18
"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already,"

• Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. John 12:44
• For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak .John 12:49
• He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. John 14:24
• for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. Matt 1:20

I believe him.

Romans 5:18
"Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life."

• Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. Isa 43:10
• And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? John 3:18

3.) Are you a Christian?

Only a Christian can ask another person if they are a Christian.

And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch. Acts 11:26

So I take it these you acknowledge are true about you since you are asking..
You hate your parents, your family, yourself? Luke 14:26
You are behind Jesus with your cross? Luke 14:27
You have you forsaken your worldly possessions? Luke 14:33

If your not a Christian I don't have to answer.

 

[Magenta]

The Holy Ghost can speak in words.

Acts 9:7
And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.

Acts 22:9
And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.

Why does Acts 9:7 say that those traveling with Paul heard a voice, but Acts 22:9 says that they heard no voice? | GotQuestions.org

 

[posthuman]

NOTE: Born-again Christians identifying as God's paternal kin are sort of like
men identifying as women so they can compete in women's sports, viz: they
are frauds

adoption.

 

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For your view to be correct, you need to explain why God is wrong to put Himself in Jesus
Christ's genealogy.

I will allow that God inspired the original Greek manuscripts, but I will not
allow that God inspires every English translation out there.

And seeing as how the originals no longer exist, then we cannot be certain
beyond a hint of sensible doubt that the Greek manuscripts existing today
are accurate copies. Caveat Lector.
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[maxwel]

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I think the prophet Muhammad was a fraud and a pedophile.

What do you think of that?

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[posthuman]

The Holy Ghost can speak in words.

Acts 9:7
And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.

why do you say Holy Spirit, when the voice identified Himself?

Acts 9:5​

And he said, "Who are You, Lord?" ​

Then the LORD said, "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. It is hard for you to kick against the goads."​

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[UnoiAmarah]

I think the prophet Muhammad was a fraud and a pedophile.

What do you think of that?

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I didn't know the man.

 

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FAQ: What if Adam had eaten some fruit from the tree of life prior to tasting
the forbidden fruit?

REPLY: The tree of life doesn't work like a vaccine, rather, it's a remedy;
portrayed in the Bible as a treatment for whatever ails you. (Rev 22:2)

In other words: under normal circumstances Adam had no use for the tree of
life at first because he was already in perfect health. He was created in the
image and likeness of God, i.e. Adam was immune to the aging process: an
advantage he lost by tampering with the forbidden fruit when he was
instructed not to.

● Gen 2:16-17 . . The Lord God commanded the man: You are free to eat
from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the
knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.

Adam didn't pass away within 24 hours after eating the forbidden fruit. In
point of fact he continued to live 800 more years beyond the birth of his son
Seth. (Gen 5:4)

So the death that Adam underwent due to tasting the forbidden fruit began
with his loss of perfect health, i.e. Adam's body became infected with
mortality which, if left untreated, is 100% fatal. Mortality is a lingering death
that gradually broke Adam down to the point where his body could no longer
continue. Exactly how the chemistry of any plant could be so rich in
nourishment as to stop the human body from falling apart is currently
unknown.

NOTE: Eternal Life and Immortality are not synonymous, viz: not two ways
to say the same thing. They are juxtaposed in 2Tim 1:10 where the terms
are connected with a conjunction. They aren't connected with a verb, so that
it can't be said that eternal life is immortality, or vice versa; no, eternal life
and immortality are two distinctly different conditions; and having the first
doesn't necessarily indicate having the second because eternal life pertains
to spiritual characteristics whereas immortality pertains to physical
characteristics.

For example: Jesus had eternal life when he was here (John 5:26) but he
didn't obtain immortality till his resurrection (Rom 6:9, Rev 1:18) Likewise,
folks correctly unified with Christ have eternal life here (John 5:24) but they
won't obtain immortality till their resurrections. (Rom 8:23-25, 1Cor 15:51-54)

The possession of eternal life is very crucial because Christians lacking
eternal life are also lacking unity with God's son, i.e. they are quite literally
christless Christians.

● 1John 5:9-13 . .We accept human testimony, but God's testimony carries
more weight because it is the testimony of God, which He has given about
His son. . . . And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and
this life is in His son. Whoever has the Son has the life; whoever who does
not have the life, does not have God's son.
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[UnoiAmarah]

why do you say Holy Spirit, when the voice identified Himself?

I said Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost is not a pnuema. What voice? Are you saying Saul heard a voice? I said the Holy Ghost can speak with words. The experts say Saul hearing a voice was a mistranslation.

While Jesus did speak of the Holy Ghost as a Spirit, because he would teach them all things which is the reason that no man comes to the Father except through the Son and no man come to the Son except that sent him Father draws him.

Besides, it is written that no man knows the Son but the Father, and no man knows the Father but the Son.

 

[posthuman]

I said Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost is not a pnuema. What voice? Are you saying Saul heard a voice? I said the Holy Ghost can speak with words. The experts say Saul hearing a voice was a mistranslation.

While Jesus did speak of the Holy Ghost as a Spirit, because he would teach them all things which is the reason that no man comes to the Father except through the Son and no man come to the Son except that sent him Father draws him.

Besides, it is written that no man knows the Son but the Father, and no man knows the Father but the Son.

but the text you quoted is clearly Jesus Christ speaking.

a voice is an attribute existing within the creation - the physical movement of a waveform through physical matter.

If God speaks with an audible voice, it is a physical manifestation of the invisible God.

Who is this?
In Acts 9 the physical manifestation of the invisible God is Jesus Christ.

 

[UnoiAmarah]

but the text you quoted is clearly Jesus Christ speaking.

How do you know it wasn't the angel of light Paul wrote of in 2 Cor 11:14

If God speaks with an audible voice, it is a physical manifestation of the invisible God.

So was it God the Father or God the Son?

Who is this?
In Acts 9 the physical manifestation of the invisible God is Jesus Christ.

The Holy Spirit is not the Son. How could it be a physical manifestation of the invisible since the invisible is its physical attribute?

a voice is an attribute existing within the creation - the physical movement of a waveform through physical matter.

If the voice is an attribute existing within the creation, then the voice doesn't exist outside of the creation? So explain how God spoke the creation into existence..

 

[maxwel]

I didn't know the man.

So regarding the Prophet Muhammad, the utterly despicable fraud, liar, deceiver, criminal and pedophile, who led millions to hell... you have no opinion?

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[posthuman]

How do you know it wasn't the angel of light Paul wrote of in 2 Cor 11:14

Because Christ identifies Himself in Acts 9:5

The Holy Spirit is not the Son. How could it be a physical manifestation of the invisible since the invisible is its physical attribute?

are you asking how it can be possible that God is manifest in the flesh?
do you not believe this?

Colossians 1:15-16​

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.​

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If the voice is an attribute existing within the creation, then the voice doesn't exist outside of the creation? So explain how God spoke the creation into existence..

sound requires physical medium to propogate.

Christ spoke, and many heard Him. He is God, being manifest on earth in the flesh.

every time you read of God being seen, heard, or touched - it is Christ, the Son. as it is written, no none has seen God at any time - He is Spirit - and also written, "they saw God"

 

[posthuman]

How do you know it wasn't the angel of light Paul wrote of in 2 Cor 11:14

why are you suggesting that Jesus is Satan?

what does your name mean, unoi?

 

[UnoiAmarah]

So regarding the Prophet Muhammad, the utterly despicable fraud, liar, deceiver, criminal and pedophile, who led millions to hell... you have no opinion?

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Why do you call him a Prophet? I asked a Muslim once what he said Jesus Christ was not the Son of God since Christ means Son of God. He then responded Jesus was not the son of God. I told him it was too late, he already had thunked it.

From what I understand, Muhammad was given a book, the Quran, from an angel named Gabriel, the same angel that told Mary she would conceive a child of the Holy Ghost.

Since the LORD said he would raise up a prophet and put his words in that Prophets mouth, then I fail to see how Muhammad is a prophet of the LORD if the words he gave didn't come directly from the LORD. Gabriel might be considered the Prophet if the LORD gave him the words.

 

[posthuman]

every time you read of God being seen, heard, or touched - it is Christ, the Son. as it is written, no none has seen God at any time - He is Spirit - and also written, "they saw God"

it is Christ, in the garden, asking Adam where he is