The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

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Now you are changing direction. I have already proven that the Law of Moses (under the Old Covenant) was regarded as the LAW OF GOD. It follows that not obeying the [universal] moral law is sin. However, ALL the practices and traditions of the Old Covenant are no longer required under the NEW. Jesus revealed this when He said "You have heard it said (by teachers of the Old Covenant) BUT I SAY.
What He commanded included the moral essence of the OLD while elevating it to an entirely new level.

You have not proved the law of God, the Ten Commandment's is the law of Moses- I asked for you to find the name of Moses in His laws, you have yet to do so.

Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Who is the "Me" and "My"

Jesus did exactly what He promised to do with the law...the Law of Moses was temporary until the Seed Gal3:19 Heb10:1-15 Col2:14-17

Heb 9:27 Then he shall confirm a [k]covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.

The law of God, the Ten Commandments He magnified- which means makes greater - connecting our inwards thoughts to the outward actions, anger with thou shalt not murder lust with those shalt not commit adultery- teaching us from this same unit not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments-Mat5:19-30

Isa 42:21 The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

The law of Moses was never under the mercy seat of God, it was besides the ark as a witness against thee, the law that defines sin is the law of God that God wrote under His mercy seat where His blood atones for our sins. Removing the law of God and claiming its not His moral law or standard of righteousness Psa 119:172 Isa 56:1-2 which is everlasting Psa 119:142 doesn;t remove the law, it just removes what God covers with His mercy Exo20:6 Pro28:13 and not a good place to be come judgement day. Why God's people keep the commandments of God- His version through love and faith Rev14:12 Its best to allow God be God and allow Him to define what things are. God wrote God spoke His moral law, not Moses, its in God's Temple Rev15:5 Rev11:19, not Moses.
 
You have not proved the law of God, the Ten Commandment's is the law of Moses- I asked for you to find the name of Moses in His laws, you have yet to do so.

Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Who is the "Me" and "My"

Jesus did exactly what He promised to do with the law...the Law of Moses was temporary until the Seed Gal3:19 Heb10:1-15 Col2:14-17

Heb 9:27 Then he shall confirm a [k]covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.

The law of God, the Ten Commandments He magnified- which means makes greater - connecting our inwards thoughts to the outward actions, anger with thou shalt not murder lust with those shalt not commit adultery- teaching us from this same unit not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments-Mat5:19-30

Isa 42:21 The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

The law of Moses was never under the mercy seat of God, it was besides the ark as a witness against thee, the law that defines sin is the law of God that God wrote under His mercy seat where His blood atones for our sins. Removing the law of God and claiming its not His moral law or standard of righteousness Psa 119:172 Isa 56:1-2 which is everlasting Psa 119:142 doesn;t remove the law, it just removes what God covers with His mercy Exo20:6 Pro28:13 and not a good place to be come judgement day. Why God's people keep the commandments of God- His version through love and faith Rev14:12 Its best to allow God be God and allow Him to define what things are. God wrote God spoke His moral law, not Moses, its in God's Temple Rev15:5 Rev11:19, not Moses.


Do you believe in the 2 covenants/ (the NT and OT)?
 
There can only be ONE covenant in effect, today, because the other one was nailed to the cross.
Agreed.

Col 2:14 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

So find with Scripture, not your words, who wrote the handwritten ordinances that was contrary and against, that was nailed to the Cross. The Scripture explicitly tells us, but I am guessing you will probably not like the answer.

Yes, we are in the NT which consists of God’s laws, that only God can define because He is God and these are laws that belong to Him and they changed location- written in the heart, established on better promises- so what are those better promises that the NC is established on by Scriptures.

Thanks
 
Deu 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

You guys continually state that God wrote the ten commandments on stone tablets.

The text states that God spoke the ten commandments first.

Exodus 20
Then God spoke all these words, saying, “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land
of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. You shall have no other gods before Me..."

What is the problem with your church teaching?

You have some doctrine about God writing the ten commandments with His own finger.

Secondly, you always state the ten commandments are in the Ark as if that means something.

Thirdly, you said the following.

It seems many people have followed the traditions of the churches over the commandments of God.

The tradition of the churches for 1900 years was the ten commandments.

Do your research.
 
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You guys continually state that God wrote the ten commandments on stone tablets.

The text states that God spoke the ten commandments first.

Exodus 20
Then God spoke all these words, saying, “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land
of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. You shall have no other gods before Me..."

What is the problem with your church teaching?

You have some doctrine about God writing the ten commandments with His own finger.

Secondly, you always state the ten commandments are in the Ark as if that means something.

Thirdly, you said the following.

It seems many people have followed the traditions of the churches over the commandments of God.

The tradition of the churches for 1900 years was the ten commandments.

Do your research.

Actually, God did write the 10 commandments on stone and gave it to Moses after 40 days and 40 nights of being on Mt Sinai. Then Moses threw them down and broke them, because his anger burned against the Jews who were sinning, so he was commanded to write them again on stone.

And all these commandments are in the NT, save one (remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy). Our special day is Sunday, the first day of the week.

“When I went up into the mountain to receive the tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant which the Lord made with you, then I stayed on the mountain forty days and forty nights. I neither ate bread nor drank water. Then the Lord delivered to me two tablets of stone written with the finger of God, and on them were all the words which the Lord had spoken to you on the mountain from the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly. And it came to pass, at the end of forty days and forty nights, that the Lord gave me the two tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭9‬:‭9‬-‭11‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
 
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Actually, God did write the 10 commandments on stone and gave it to Moses after 40 days and 40 nights of being on Mt Sinai. Then Moses threw them down and broke them, because his anger burned against the Jews who were sinning, so he was commanded to write them again on stone.

And all these commandments are in the NT, save one (remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy). Our special day is Sunday, the first day of the week.

“When I went up into the mountain to receive the tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant which the Lord made with you, then I stayed on the mountain forty days and forty nights. I neither ate bread nor drank water. Then the Lord delivered to me two tablets of stone written with the finger of God, and on them were all the words which the Lord had spoken to you on the mountain from the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly. And it came to pass, at the end of forty days and forty nights, that the Lord gave me the two tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭9‬:‭9‬-‭11‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
The tablets of stone were given after the initial covenant was established in Exodus 24.

You can read the text below that confirms this important point.

Exodus 24:3-8
Then Moses came and recounted to the people all the words of the Lord and all the ordinances;
and all the people answered with one voice and said, All the words which the Lord has spoken we will do!”
Moses wrote down all the words of the Lord
...
Then he took the book of the covenant and read it in the hearing of the people; and they said,
All that the Lord has spoken we will do, and we will be obedient!” So Moses took the blood and
sprinkled it on the people, and said,
Behold the blood of the covenant, which the Lord has made with you in accordance with all these words.”

After the covenant was established between Israel and God the tablets of stone were given to Israel.

Exodus 24:12
Now the Lord said to Moses, “Come up to Me on the mountain and remain there, and I will give you the
stone tablets with the law and the commandment which I have written
for their instruction.”

So the important point is that the book of the covenant was written by Moses before the stone
tablets existed.

Then he took the book of the covenant and read it in the hearing of the people
 
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The tablets of stone were given after the initial covenant was established in Exodus 24.

You can read the text below that confirms this important point.

Exodus 24:3-8
Then Moses came and recounted to the people all the words of the Lord and all the ordinances;
and all the people answered with one voice and said, All the words which the Lord has spoken we will do!”
Moses wrote down all the words of the Lord
...
Then he took the book of the covenant and read it in the hearing of the people; and they said,
All that the Lord has spoken we will do, and we will be obedient!” So Moses took the blood and
sprinkled it on the people, and said,
Behold the blood of the covenant, which the Lord has made with you in accordance with all these words.”

After the covenant was established between Israel and God the tablets of stone were given to Israel.

Exodus 24:12
Now the Lord said to Moses, “Come up to Me on the mountain and remain there, and I will give you the
stone tablets with the law and the commandment which I have written
for their instruction.”

So the important point is that the book of the covenant was written by Moses before the stone
tablets existed.

Then he took the book of the covenant and read it in the hearing of the people

Oh, I can go all the way back to Genesis 5; 17 for the word “Covenant”. This word just means “Agreement”. So it depends upon what you’re referring to?
There are many agreements made by God (I.e. rainbow in the sky, circumcision, 10 commandments, land, nation, Seed).

When I hear “the Old Covenant” phrase, to me means OT teachings; all fulfilled, nailed to the cross, which we are no longer under.
 
- I asked for you to find the name of Moses in His laws, you have yet to do so.
Alright let us look at the scriptures to see if there was ever an instance where Moses name is used to indicate the Law of God.
Turn your attention to 2 Kings 23:25 Neither before nor after Josiah was there any king like him, who turned to the LORD with all his heart and with all his soul and with all his strength, according to all the Law of Moses.

Josiah gave his whole mind will and emotions to serve God ACCORDING TO THE LAW OF MOSES. Here, the Law of Moses means God's law. I think this meets the conditions of your challenge to me to finding the name of Moses closely connected to the Law of God

In the NT Paul calls the truths that were written down before Christ "The Old Covenant" He also identifies it with Moses himself the because Moses was the law-giver who wrote much of it down.
…14But their minds were closed. For to this day the same veil remains at the reading of the old covenant. It has not been lifted, because only in Christ can it be removed. 15And even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. 16But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.…
(2 Corinthians 3:14-15)


For He who said, “DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY,” also said, “DO NOT COMMIT MURDER.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. James 2:11 (NASB)
Since Moses was the one who received the commandments from God, there is nothing wrong with calling what he received either the Law of (or delivered by) Moses or The Law of God since it had its origin in God.

Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Who is the "Me" and "My"

Jesus did exactly what He promised to do with the law...the Law of Moses was temporary until the Seed Gal3:19 Heb10:1-15 Col2:14-17

Heb 9:27 Then he shall confirm a [k]covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.

The law of God, the Ten Commandments He magnified- which means makes greater - connecting our inwards thoughts to the outward actions, anger with thou shalt not murder lust with those shalt not commit adultery- teaching us from this same unit not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments-Mat5:19-30

Isa 42:21 The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

The law of Moses was never under the mercy seat of God, it was besides the ark as a witness against thee, the law that defines sin is the law of God that God wrote under His mercy seat where His blood atones for our sins. Removing the law of God and claiming its not His moral law or standard of righteousness Psa 119:172 Isa 56:1-2 which is everlasting Psa 119:142 doesn;t remove the law, it just removes what God covers with His mercy Exo20:6 Pro28:13 and not a good place to be come judgement day. Why God's people keep the commandments of God- His version through love and faith Rev14:12 Its best to allow God be God and allow Him to define what things are. God wrote God spoke His moral law, not Moses, its in God's Temple Rev15:5 Rev11:19, not Moses.
Your reasoning is unclear and, at times, all but incoherent. As a point of fact, the tablets of the Law WERE placed within the ark. However, to give your ideas a fair hearing I will look at them more closely.

You said: Removing the law of God and claiming its not His moral law or standard of righteousness Psa 119:172 Isa 56:1-2 which is everlasting Psa 119:142 doesn't remove the law, it just removes what God covers with His mercy Exo20:6 Pro28:13 and not a good place to be come judgement day
I never said anything about removing the Law. Do you think that the Law consists only of Keeping Shabbat and that we will be condemned in the final judgment and excluded from the world to come for that? I can easily show that the earliest Christians did not believe that, or practice that idea and also that the Apostles never taught it.

God wrote God spoke His moral law, not Moses, its in God's Temple Rev15:5 Rev11:19, not Moses.
My only point was that the Law of Moses is often referred to as the Law of God and vice versa.
The Law of Moses (Hebrew: תֹּורַת מֹשֶׁה Torat Moshe), also called the Mosaic Law because it was revealed to Moses by God and delivered to Israel. The term is also used for the Torah or the first five books of the Hebrew Bible. This is a biblical term first found in the
Book of Joshua 8:31–32, where Joshua writes the Hebrew words "Torat Moshe (תֹּורַת מֹשֶׁה‎) on an altar of stones at Mount Ebal.

Jesus did exactly what He promised to do with the law...the Law of Moses was temporary until the Seed Gal3:19 Heb10:1-15 Col2:14-17
Heb 9:27 Then he shall confirm a [k]covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
(1) You never said what you thought WEEK meant in this passage
(2) Christ did not "bring an end to the sacrifices." That happened when the temple was destroyed by the Trajab
(3) He did tell those who were not followers: "tear this temple down and i will raise it up" but he was talking about His physical body
 
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Oh, I can go all the way back to Genesis 5; 17 for the word “Covenant”. This word just means “Agreement”. So it depends upon what you’re referring to?
There are many agreements made by God (I.e. rainbow in the sky, circumcision, 10 commandments, land, nation, Seed).

When I hear “the Old Covenant” phrase, to me means OT teachings; all fulfilled, nailed to the cross, which we are no longer under.
A covenant is not merely an "agreement" like a contract among humans. It involves blood because it represents a binding of one life to another, blood being a symbol of our life.
 
Oh, I can go all the way back to Genesis 5; 17 for the word “Covenant”. This word just means “Agreement”. So it depends upon what you’re referring to?
There are many agreements made by God (I.e. rainbow in the sky, circumcision, 10 commandments, land, nation, Seed).

When I hear “the Old Covenant” phrase, to me means OT teachings; all fulfilled, nailed to the cross, which we are no longer under.

There is a difference between a conditional covenant and an unconditional covenant.

The law of Mt Sinai was a conditional covenant; “All the words which the Lord has spoken we will do"
The covenant God made with Abraham was an unconditional covenant.

Genesis 15
12 Now when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram.
...
18 On that day the Lord made a covenant with Abram.

There is an important difference between these two covenants, one is conditional and the other
is unconditional. The book of the law was a conditional agreement. But God's covenant with Abraham
was unconditional.

One is by grace and the other is by works (we will obey).

Romans 4:13-16
For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law,
but through the righteousness of faith. For if those who are of the Law are heirs, faith is made void and the
promise is nullified
; for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, there also is no violation.
For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will
be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are
of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all.

One is by grace and the other is by works (we will obey).
 
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You guys continually state that God wrote the ten commandments on stone tablets.

The text states that God spoke the ten commandments first.

Exodus 20
Then God spoke all these words, saying, “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land
of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. You shall have no other gods before Me..."

What is the problem with your church teaching?

You have some doctrine about God writing the ten commandments with His own finger.

Secondly, you always state the ten commandments are in the Ark as if that means something.

Thirdly, you said the following.

It seems many people have followed the traditions of the churches over the commandments of God.

The tradition of the churches for 1900 years was the ten commandments.
God spoken them first than He wrote them personally

Deut 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

Exo 32:16 Now the tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets.

Do your research.
Likewise
 
Alright let us look at the scriptures to see if there was ever an instance where Moses name is used to indicate the Law of God.
Turn your attention to 2 Kings 23:25 Neither before nor after Josiah was there any king like him, who turned to the LORD with all his heart and with all his soul and with all his strength, according to all the Law of Moses.

Josiah gave his whole mind will and emotions to serve God ACCORDING TO THE LAW OF MOSES. Here, the Law of Moses means God's law. I think this meets the conditions of your challenge to me to finding the name of Moses closely connected to the Law of God

In the NT Paul calls the truths that were written down before Christ "The Old Covenant" He also identifies it with Moses himself the because Moses was the law-giver who wrote much of it down.
…14But their minds were closed. For to this day the same veil remains at the reading of the old covenant. It has not been lifted, because only in Christ can it be removed. 15And even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. 16But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.…
(2 Corinthians 3:14-15)



Since Moses was the one who received the commandments from God, there is nothing wrong with calling what he received either the Law of (or delivered by) Moses or The Law of God since it had its origin in God.


Your reasoning is unclear and, at times, all but incoherent. As a point of fact, the tablets of the Law WERE placed within the ark. However, to give your ideas a fair hearing I will look at them more closely.

You said: Removing the law of God and claiming its not His moral law or standard of righteousness Psa 119:172 Isa 56:1-2 which is everlasting Psa 119:142 doesn't remove the law, it just removes what God covers with His mercy Exo20:6 Pro28:13 and not a good place to be come judgement day
I never said anything about removing the Law. Do you think that the Law consists only of Keeping Shabbat and that we will be condemned in the final judgment and excluded from the world to come for that? I can easily show that the earliest Christians did not believe that, or practice that idea and also that the Apostles never taught it.

God wrote God spoke His moral law, not Moses, its in God's Temple Rev15:5 Rev11:19, not Moses.
My only point was that the Law of Moses is often referred to as the Law of God and vice versa.
The Law of Moses (Hebrew: תֹּורַת מֹשֶׁה Torat Moshe), also called the Mosaic Law because it was revealed to Moses by God and delivered to Israel. The term is also used for the Torah or the first five books of the Hebrew Bible. This is a biblical term first found in the
Book of Joshua 8:31–32, where Joshua writes the Hebrew words "Torat Moshe (תֹּורַת מֹשֶׁה‎) on an altar of stones at Mount Ebal.

Jesus did exactly what He promised to do with the law...the Law of Moses was temporary until the Seed Gal3:19 Heb10:1-15 Col2:14-17

(1) You never said what you thought WEEK meant in this passage
(2) Christ did not "bring an end to the sacrifices." That happened when the temple was destroyed by the Trajab
(3) He did tell those who were not followers: "tear this temple down and i will raise it up" but he was talking about His physical body
Yes, the law of Moses is not the law of God the Ten Commandments. Not sure how many times this has to be repeated. All you proved is there is the law of Moses, the Ten Commandments is God's commandments Exo20:6

Mat 15:3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4;For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

Mat 15:3 These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

Moses is an important person in Scripture, but he was not God.
 
A covenant is not merely an "agreement" like a contract among humans. It involves blood because it represents a binding of one life to another, blood being a symbol of our life.
Example of one of the earliest covenants:

-"Thus I establish My covenant with you: Never again shall all flesh be cut off by the waters of the flood; never again shall there be a flood to destroy the earth." And God said: "This is the sign of the covenant which I make between Me and you, and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations: I set My rainbow in the cloud, and it shall be for the sign of the covenant between Me and the earth. It shall be, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the rainbow shall be seen in the cloud; and I will remember My covenant which is between Me and you and every living creature of all flesh; the waters shall never again become a flood to destroy all flesh. The rainbow shall be in the cloud, and I will look on it to remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is on the earth.""
Genesis 9:11-16 NKJV

Baker's Evangelical Dictionary of Biblical Theology - Covenant

Covenant [N] [E] https://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionaries/smiths-bible-dictionary/covenant.html
The word "covenant, " infrequently heard in conversation, is quite commonly used in legal, social (marriage), and religious and theological contexts.
The Idea of Covenant. The term "covenant" is of Latin origin (con venire), meaning a coming together. It presupposes two or more parties who come together to make a contract, agreeing on promises, stipulations, privileges, and responsibilities. In religious and theological circles there has not been agreement on precisely what is to be understood by the biblical term. It is used variously in biblical contexts. In political situations, it can be translated treaty; in a social setting, it means a lifelong friendship agreement; or it can refer to a marriage.

Note: I did not scratch this out! (?)
 
Example of one of the earliest covenants:

-"Thus I establish My covenant with you: Never again shall all flesh be cut off by the waters of the flood; never again shall there be a flood to destroy the earth." And God said: "This is the sign of the covenant which I make between Me and you, and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations: I set My rainbow in the cloud, and it shall be for the sign of the covenant between Me and the earth. It shall be, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the rainbow shall be seen in the cloud; and I will remember My covenant which is between Me and you and every living creature of all flesh; the waters shall never again become a flood to destroy all flesh. The rainbow shall be in the cloud, and I will look on it to remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is on the earth.""
Genesis 9:11-16 NKJV

Baker's Evangelical Dictionary of Biblical Theology - Covenant

Covenant [N] [E] https://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionaries/smiths-bible-dictionary/covenant.html
The word "covenant, " infrequently heard in conversation, is quite commonly used in legal, social (marriage), and religious and theological contexts.
The Idea of Covenant. The term "covenant" is of Latin origin (con venire), meaning a coming together. It presupposes two or more parties who come together to make a contract, agreeing on promises, stipulations, privileges, and responsibilities. In religious and theological circles there has not been agreement on precisely what is to be understood by the biblical term. It is used variously in biblical contexts. In political situations, it can be translated treaty; in a social setting, it means a lifelong friendship agreement; or it can refer to a marriage.

Note: I did not scratch this out! (?)
That is an unconditional covenant. We are not required to obey that covenant for it to remain valid.

Where as the Mt Sinai covenant was a conditional covenant (we will obey). Disobedience to the Mosaic covenant
breaks the imposed condition of obedience.

Abraham's covenant was unconditional and based on Abraham believing only.

The New Covenant is the fulfillment of Abraham's covenant and is also based on believing only.
 
You have not proved the law of God, the Ten Commandment's is the law of Moses- I asked for you to find the name of Moses in His laws, you have yet to do so.

Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Who is the "Me" and "My"

Jesus did exactly what He promised to do with the law...the Law of Moses was temporary until the Seed Gal3:19 Heb10:1-15 Col2:14-17

Heb 9:27 Then he shall confirm a [k]covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.

The law of God, the Ten Commandments He magnified- which means makes greater - connecting our inwards thoughts to the outward actions, anger with thou shalt not murder lust with those shalt not commit adultery- teaching us from this same unit not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments-Mat5:19-30

Isa 42:21 The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

The law of Moses was never under the mercy seat of God, it was besides the ark as a witness against thee, the law that defines sin is the law of God that God wrote under His mercy seat where His blood atones for our sins. Removing the law of God and claiming its not His moral law or standard of righteousness Psa 119:172 Isa 56:1-2 which is everlasting Psa 119:142 doesn;t remove the law, it just removes what God covers with His mercy Exo20:6 Pro28:13 and not a good place to be come judgement day. Why God's people keep the commandments of God- His version through love and faith Rev14:12 Its best to allow God be God and allow Him to define what things are. God wrote God spoke His moral law, not Moses, its in God's Temple Rev15:5 Rev11:19, not Moses.

Of course, the Mosaic covenant of the ten commandments and the ordinances was one covenant.

Exodus 24:3-8
Then Moses came and recounted to the people all the words of the Lord and all the ordinances;
and all the people answered with one voice and said, All the words which the Lord has spoken we will do!”

"All the words" which the Lord has spoken we will do!


It cannot be any clearer in Exodus 24.

all the words (ten) of the Lord and all the ordinances
 
people understand Salvation Differently,
Because salvation is the basis of our Hope. The very foundation of many peoples beliefs are Different.

Sure Jesus is the Center and Faith is the means but this is not all..
Many will have faith in Jesus and not be saved.

Mat 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

The verse above shows clearly that having faith in the Lord will not guarantee your salvation. Jesus never knew them. Why??
Because of there works of iniquity.
Sin. Sin is transgression of the law.
Doing the will of the Father is important.
Read the verses again ...

Mat 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Jesus was always doing the Father's will.
We are asked to do the same.

It is by faith that we are able to follow Jesus..

Salvation is more then faith in Jesus's life, that is easy to believe. Salvation is faith in the power of Jesus to transform our lives and save us FROM sin. Not IN sin.
 
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