The Strangely Comforting Cross

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ChrisTillinen

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I have come here once again
to lose and find myself
still fleeing but aching to be free.

His pierced hands outstretched
to loose and bind my self
now seeing the true fruit of the tree.

At the foot of this strangely comforting cross
eyes opened to shocking holiness of love once more.

I find my place in the truly gainful loss,
the love that kills but makes alive again and evermore.
 

ebdesroches

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This is very good (I have no credentials)

eyes opened to shocking holiness of love once more.

Very moving. Less subtle than the first one.
 

ebdesroches

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I find my place in the truly gainful loss,
the love that kills but makes alive again and evermore

!!!!!!!!
 

ebdesroches

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Please, keep writing, i enjoy reading what you wrote. You have talent!
 

ebdesroches

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Haha! You cant hide your motives! You write because you love Him and He embraces you, loving you!
 

ChrisTillinen

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Please, keep writing, i enjoy reading what you wrote. You have talent!
Thank you, your comments are very encouraging!

I posted two new poems that are currently pending approval, one of them I just composed today. Ideally, I'd like my poems to rhyme, but these two new ones don't. I hope their other qualities will make up for that.
 

ebdesroches

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Thank you, your comments are very encouraging!

I posted two new poems that are currently pending approval, one of them I just composed today. Ideally, I'd like my poems to rhyme, but these two new ones don't. I hope their other qualities will make up for that.
I will look for them!

I usually get a starting idea and i know its time to write. From the first concept new ideas spring up. I review what i write and determine if what i wrote is theological right. Next if the order of the lines is correct, would they be better in a different spot. Decide if i can eliminate words to make the meaning clearer. Try to make sure the ideas are cohesive.
(haha, a good chance i fail on one or all!)

Don’t worry about rhyming. It does add a lot. The meter and the rythm of the words is important. I butcher these rules to get the poem written. I think over a long time and reading other peoples poems i may learn to get it all right.

I definitely mean my poems to worship and adore the One i love!
 

ChrisTillinen

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I usually get a starting idea and i know its time to write. From the first concept new ideas spring up.
This is almost exactly the same as with the one poem that I composed today. But at other times, I've also found it very useful to just collect ideas, metaphors, idioms, phrases, etc and save them for possible future use. Sometimes the ideas need to develop over greater period of time, and perhaps writing them down can even make it a tiny bit more likely that I'll notice the connections to other ideas that may come up later.

I review what i write and determine if what i wrote is theological right.
I try to do this as well. Although I do allow for a bit of poetic license and creative exploration. Some ideas may be such that I'm comfortable with writing them into poems but not necessarily into a theology book (if I ever write theology books, which is doubtful but not out of the question, I guess).

I definitely mean my poems to worship and adore the One i love!
It's easy to relate to this as in some ways I might even feel a bit silly writing poems about anything other than God and his wonderful love as expressed in Christ's work on our behalf. Poems about regular human romantic love, etc. probably wouldn't seem so appropriate or personally felt. Although who knows, perhaps I'll learn to write them too someday. And there's also the proper compromise of sorts, namely, poems about romantic love as a metaphor for God's love for us. There is a Biblical precedent for this after all. Also, I've heard that Søren Kierkegaard had some kind of a metaphorical story about a king who fell in love with a peasant girl and became a peasant himself. I haven't looked that up in the original source, but something along those lines could work as a framework for even a whole series of poems.
 

ebdesroches

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This is almost exactly the same as with the one poem that I composed today. But at other times, I've also found it very useful to just collect ideas, metaphors, idioms, phrases, etc and save them for possible future use. Sometimes the ideas need to develop over greater period of time, and perhaps writing them down can even make it a tiny bit more likely that I'll notice the connections to other ideas that may come up later.



I try to do this as well. Although I do allow for a bit of poetic license and creative exploration. Some ideas may be such that I'm comfortable with writing them into poems but not necessarily into a theology book (if I ever write theology books, which is doubtful but not out of the question, I guess).



It's easy to relate to this as in some ways I might even feel a bit silly writing poems about anything other than God and his wonderful love as expressed in Christ's work on our behalf. Poems about regular human romantic love, etc. probably wouldn't seem so appropriate or personally felt. Although who knows, perhaps I'll learn to write them too someday. And there's also the proper compromise of sorts, namely, poems about romantic love as a metaphor for God's love for us. There is a Biblical precedent for this after all. Also, I've heard that Søren Kierkegaard had some kind of a metaphorical story about a king who fell in love with a peasant girl and became a peasant himself. I haven't looked that up in the original source, but something along those lines could work as a framework for even a whole series of poems.
Song of Solomon uses the metaphor of human love between man and woman. Please check out st john of the cross: https://www.best-poems.net/st-john-of-the-cross/poems/index.html
 

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I've heard that Søren Kierkegaard had some kind of a metaphorical story about a king who fell in love with a peasant girl and became a peasant himself. I haven't looked that up in the original source, but something along those lines could work as a framework for even a whole series of poems.

Yes i think that is exactly what happened! “God so loved the world”
 

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I've heard that Søren Kierkegaard had some kind of a metaphorical story about a king who fell in love with a peasant girl and became a peasant himself. I haven't looked that up in the original source, but something along those lines could work as a framework for even a whole series of poems.

Yes i think that is exactly what happened! “God so loved the world”
Because of His love for me, when I dont feel His embrace of love, i long for Him less intense but similar to St John of the cross. The intensity of His love can wound too, for example Therese of Avila experienced that. I can understand that, every thing He does is infinite.
 

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There are today those that passionately love Him, as His disciple John
 

ChrisTillinen

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Here is a lyric music video based on the poem (still using AI to make the music - I haven't suddenly turned into some brilliant and super-productive composer).

 

Magenta

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I will add the poems of St John of the Cross to my reading list.
Please do also check out the musical versions of this poem by two different artists; one is Loreena McKennitt, and the other is John Michael Talbot. :) I would post the vids for you, but I am on my phone and I'm very limited with what I can do with it...
 

ebdesroches

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I have listened to both many times.

I understand we can have a romantic, tender, and sweet relationship with the Master and our loving father, the Spirit makes it so in us.
 

Magenta

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Loreena McKennitt

John Michael Talbot


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