Jesus asked the Father for another Helper.
That should be a real problem for a Unitarian.
The serious errors of Oneness/United Pentecostals
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Jesus asked the Father for another Helper.
That should be a real problem for a Unitarian.
Same helper, different form.
Had to go and come in a different form to indwell them and live with them forever.
He clearly says, He will come to them shortly.
Jesus asked the Father for another Helper.
That should be a real problem for a Unitarian.
Jesus didn't ask the Father for His permission to change mode.
That should be a real problem for a Unitarian.
Same helper, different form.
Had to go and come in a different form to indwell them and live with them forever.
He clearly says, He will come to them shortly.
Jesus didn't ask the Father for His permission to change mode.
2 Pet 1:4 Through these He has given us His precious and magnificent promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, now that you have escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.
Another problem verse for trinitarians; does it mean if we become partakers, God will be 4 persons in one?
Nope. Jesus is the Father
John 16:12“I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. 15All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.”
Jesus asked the Father for another Helper.
Jesus talks to himself in that case and those who believe that are to be pitied, if they persist in presenting a Unitarian God.
Case closed.
Jesus talks to himself in that case and those who believe that are to be pitied, if they persist in presenting a Unitarian God.
Case closed.
Nope.
These things are so and were written down for your understanding, not confusion. But instead of understanding, you like many others seem to be more confused.
There's no such thing as three persons in one being, you can try to explain it and you'll fail.
And i will ask you a simple question.
Q. Is Jesus one person and one God by Himself?
You and I are two different persons and share our humanity.
The Father, Jesus and the Helper are three different persons, who share their divinity.
This is really my last post.
Correct but we are not two in one. We are two human beings.
Not really. If the first analogy about human beings explains God then we have for ourselves three Gods just like you and me are two human beings even if we share in humanity.
Have a nice day.
You and I are two different persons and share our humanity.
The Father, Jesus and the Helper are three different persons, who share their divinity.
Three divine persons, one God who is omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient.
Good evening.
The Father, Jesus and the Helper are three different persons, who share their divinity.
Three divine persons, one God who is omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient.
Good evening.
Nope.. You are not wielding any Sword.. You are propogating false doctrine.. Your words have made no incisions into me..
2 Pet 1:4 Through these He has given us His precious and magnificent promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, now that you have escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.
Another problem verse for trinitarians; does it mean if we become partakers, God will be 4 persons in one?
You see, this is the crux of the trinitarian philosophy. You call God three persons and you have just limited the Godhead. "Elohim" refers to God in a plural sense, like the family of God [ie; the Smiths]. We are not given the information necessary to define that Godhead, but we will be in it when He is done with all He is doing. God is not a person. I have a conversation from me on how I view God. It is as follows:
So, go ahead and call me a heretic. I don't care. I will be satisfied to wait until I am with Christ and like Him before I fully understand. You see, we saints will be glorified with Him once we are raised immortal. Daniel 12:3 "And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever."
I simply say, God is God without attaching the limiting numbers.You see, this is the crux of the trinitarian philosophy. You call God three persons and you have just limited the Godhead. "Elohim" refers to God in a plural sense, like the family of God [ie; the Smiths]. We are not given the information necessary to define that Godhead, but we will be in it when He is done with all He is doing. God is not a person. I have a conversation from me on how I view God. It is as follows:
So, go ahead and call me a heretic. I don't care. I will be satisfied to when until I am with Christ and like Him before I fully understand. You see, we saints will be glorified with Him once we are raised immortal. Daniel 12:3 "And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever."
And one thing i have learnt is, never follow the masses.
Waggles, thanks for sharing your reply politely.
I know these are emotionally charged issues.
I like the way this post describes the two baptisms (water and spirit) and acknowledges the fact that some can receive the spirit baptism before water baptism, which is demonstrated in the scriptural accounts (see Acts 10:44-48). And some receive water baptism before spirit baptism, which is also demonstrated in the scriptural accounts (see Acts 8:12-17).
Jesus came to accomplish TWO things (not just one). 1. Removal of the old (Sin). 2. Giving of the new (Life). One is not enough without the other.
Removal of the old = Remission of sins (washing away of sins) and is accomplished by water baptism (in Jesus name).
Giving of the new = Outpouring of the Holy Ghost (Holy Spirit) and is the spirit baptism. This one actually makes us alive in spirit.
And again, one is not enough without the other.
After his resurrection, Jesus told his disciples to "tarry in Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high" (meaning the promise, the Holy Ghost) because they still needed to receive the second baptism. (see Luke 24:46-49 and Acts 1:4-5). They had to wait until Acts 2 to receive it. But they're not the only believers who had to wait. So did those in Samaria (Acts 8:12-17) and those in Ephesus (Acts 19:2-6). The only group that didn't have to wait was those in Cornelius' group who received the Holy Ghost first, as a sign to Peter (and others) that these Gentiles are indeed worthy to receive the water baptism also.
People who think Jesus only came to die for our sins are overlooking a MAJOR component of salvation. But John the Baptist knew it and proclaimed it in EACH of the 4 gospels. John would say in effect "Yes, I baptize with water for repentance and remission (that's one part), but HE is going to baptize with the Holy Ghost (that's the second part) and I'm not worthy/able to do that" The same is true of any pastor/preacher/priest... they MIGHT be worthy to baptize in water for remission(washing away) of sins, but they are not worthy to baptize a person with the Holy Ghost. Only Jesus can do that baptism...and for that baptism a person may need to tarry.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him.
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Isa 52:5 Now therefore, what have I here, saith the LORD, that my people is taken away for nought? they that rule over them make them to howl, saith the LORD; and my name continually every day is blasphemed.
Isa 52:6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.
Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Rev 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
Rev 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
Rev 22:4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
Rom 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh.
Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law.
You can take it from there.
One God who is a Holy Spirit, which is why the Spirit moved in creation, Jesus was conceived by the Spirit, and the Spirit dwells in the saints, and Father is a title for God, and the Son is the man Christ Jesus.
The Bible plainly states that there is one God, the Father, and the Son shall be called the everlasting Father, and if you have seen Jesus you have seen the Father, and there is only one throne in heaven and one who sits on that throne, which is the throne of God and the Lamb, God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus, which the Son was made of a woman, made under the law.
How hard is it to understand.
When the Bible says one God it means one God, so why are people trying to make out 3 persons in one God.
If there is 3 persons in one God then it would take all 3 persons to make one God, so why do they say God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, for then they are saying 3 Gods.
Is there 3 persons in one God, or 3 Gods.
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Isa 52:5 Now therefore, what have I here, saith the LORD, that my people is taken away for nought? they that rule over them make them to howl, saith the LORD; and my name continually every day is blasphemed.
Isa 52:6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.
Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Rev 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
Rev 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
Rev 22:4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
Rom 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh.
Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law.
You can take it from there.
One God who is a Holy Spirit, which is why the Spirit moved in creation, Jesus was conceived by the Spirit, and the Spirit dwells in the saints, and Father is a title for God, and the Son is the man Christ Jesus.
The Bible plainly states that there is one God, the Father, and the Son shall be called the everlasting Father, and if you have seen Jesus you have seen the Father, and there is only one throne in heaven and one who sits on that throne, which is the throne of God and the Lamb, God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus, which the Son was made of a woman, made under the law.
How hard is it to understand.
When the Bible says one God it means one God, so why are people trying to make out 3 persons in one God.
If there is 3 persons in one God then it would take all 3 persons to make one God, so why do they say God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, for then they are saying 3 Gods.
Is there 3 persons in one God, or 3 Gods.
"baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"
Matt 28:19
What I wonder at is why change this? A theological itch or feeling?
There must be a deeper problem they are searching to distinguish themselves from other groups.
this is not what you believe. I see we can add deliberate deception to your list of misdeeds
And the foundation of scripture being our authority is abandoned, leads to authority being placed
in the leadership of the movement, which normally shifts further and further away.
It would not surprise me if when people go to church, and read scripture, most are not oneness
believers at all, but put up with their teachings, until they can find somewhere else to go.
really?
you are not really telling the truth
you believe that is a person does not speak in tongues and is not baptized they are not saved
NEITHER of which is scriptural
you started a thread that is continuing with the intent of teaching the actual things you believe
have you suddenly become embarrassed about the cult like teaching you are spreading?
I guess I will have to put links to your posts where you admit that what you teach is not what you are saying here
Sorry seven.
People are saved, because they are saved they get baptised in water, which could be full immersion,
but I am not a stickler for this. I have no limitation or condition on speaking in tongues. It is a gift,
no more, no less. The elect will find blessing in the Holy Spirit.
So I think you are addressing the wrong member.
God bless you
Well we are made in the image of God. We are a person, who have speech and have a spirit.
The Father is God, He has His Word and He has His Spirit.
The only difference is God is a powerful God. We are mere humans. So our speech doesnt have power to create or take on a life of its own. Whereas God's Word became flesh.
Our spirit is a part of us, and we can pick up on people's spirit, some people say it is energy. Our spirit doesnt naturally have power. God's Spirit on the otherhand is powerful and if we allow His Spirit to come into our spirit they become ONE. And we become children of God. Through Gods Spirit. Giving us power love and a soundmind.
The Father, His Word, and His Holy Spirt make up ONE God.
(1 John 5:7)
My physical body, my word, and my spirit all make up me as a person. The only difference is im a human. God has all these aspects as well but He is God. Everything about Him has power and Life. He is the creator. He has His Word, who has been with Him since the beginning. Created everything through His Word.