The Second Exodus

[memberofthebride]

I know the antichrist will come out of the EU, but you think Germany specifically? You might be right. Because one of the animals of the beast is the leopard which represents Germany. But there are other animals, so why Germany? I'm asking because I am getting the impression that it might be, but that's not good for me to just go on that. I need something more concrete from the Bible - you might have able to see it so please give me your reason for thinking so.

I've been reading "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" by William L. Shirer to have some idea of how Hitler came to power and duped his nation into following him into the second worst time in history (the first will be the great tribulation that Jesus predicted is still to come). I'm learning a lot about his mindset - it's very violent and hateful, but cunning in politics too. He recognized the people he can use, and butter them up until he didn't need them anymore. I think the antichrist will be like that too.

There's also the people - very prideful for some reason maybe because of their accomplishments. Could the whole world be wooed in this way too? Anyway, it's a long book. I'm still only up to the early 1930s when the Nazi party was gaining strength and Hitler is about to become chancellor.....

The current chancellor of Germany is Fredrich Merz, but we should also look at the leaders of the EU and their MPs. The next election for them is in 2029. If the antichrist is revealed in the early 2030s, he is probably in this group.

We have had two world wars with Germany, 3 is the number God uses as compete or it final, there will be a third and that is what the 4th Seal is --- World War Three,

next Assyria IS Germany

Isaiah 10
5 O Assyrian, the rod of mine anger, and the staff in their hand is mine indignation.

Assyria is the nation that took the House of Israel into captive. God will use once more this evil nation to punish the House of Israel.

Now, who is the House of Israel today. Great Britain and the U S

All Jews are Hebrews but not all Hebrews are Jews, After Solomon God divided the 12 into the House of Israel, 10 tribes and the House of jew-dah, 2 tribes Judah and Benjamin.

Very very few will agree with the above -- I proved this to myself 50 years ago and never found anything in the Word that changed my mind.

He might arise well before 2030, things are moving fast now. The Two witnesses may come at the same time

 

[Iconoclast]

Daniel 12
4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, [even] to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

We are at the time of the End and at the door of the 4th Seal,,which is WW3, yes the Book was sealed, now its open.

I am not hindered by the confusion, by the false doctrines of the 40,000 as I have never been involved, never been brain washed by Satan.

Why Is Europe Feverishly Preparing For World War III?
this headline came today!

The Word state at the time of the end Satan deceives the whole world---- which of the 40,000 flavors of confusion has it right??

My friend, where does the NT. cite this passage???
The end of what? The Jewish Theocracy in the 1st century?
We might have to do battle with Demonic Islam, yes, for sure.
Let me ask you this question, What if we are still, the early Church?
What if we are not to be looking for a one world Government, the little horn, the beast, the false prophet?
What if we are meant to see Jesus as King of kings ruling from the Heavenly Zion And Jerusalem?

 

[Iconoclast]

We have had two world wars with Germany, 3 is the number God uses as compete or it final, there will be a third and that is what the 4th Seal is --- World War Three,

next Assyria IS Germany

Isaiah 10
5 O Assyrian, the rod of mine anger, and the staff in their hand is mine indignation.

Assyria is the nation that took the House of Israel into captive. God will use once more this evil nation to punish the House of Israel.

Now, who is the House of Israel today. Great Britain and the U S

All Jews are Hebrews but not all Hebrews are Jews, After Solomon God divided the 12 into the House of Israel, 10 tribes and the House of jew-dah, 2 tribes Judah and Benjamin.

Very very few will agree with the above -- I proved this to myself 50 years ago and never found anything in the Word that changed my mind.

He might arise well before 2030, things are moving fast now. The Two witnesses may come at the same time

You have no biblical basis to try and reuse the Historic account from Isa.10, as if you can recycle it. God used Assyria as a Rod, but then they were judged. You have no support for any sort of double fulfillment .

 

[memberofthebride]

My friend, where does the NT. cite this passage???
The end of what? The Jewish Theocracy in the 1st century?
We might have to do battle with Demonic Islam, yes, for sure.
Let me ask you this question, What if we are still, the early Church?
What if we are not to be looking for a one world Government, the little horn, the beast, the false prophet?
What if we are meant to see Jesus as King of kings ruling from the Heavenly Zion And Jerusalem?

comment:

Sorry there are too many scriptures against what you want to believe. yes many are in the Old Testament which Paul stated clearly has every thing we need for salvation. it's what Christ taught from and lived by perfectly with out sin.

So If what you espouse were true,, the majority of those called to Christ by the Father did not have a complete New testament until 1600 or more years later and that is fact, all they had was the Old Testament. So they could not believe what you do.

4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

When Christ made the statement, the ONLY WORD possible was the Torah and the Old Testament --- we are to believe and do every word found in the Old Testament.

if you do not believe this -- then you have concocted your own religion. Good luck with that!

please do not bring up what have been fulfilled like the Sacrificial law. In fact there is nothing more I want to hear from you

 

[Iconoclast]

comment:

Sorry there are too many scriptures against what you want to believe. yes many are in the Old Testament which Paul stated clearly has every thing we need for salvation. it's what Christ taught from and lived by perfectly with out sin.

So If what you espouse were true,, the majority of those called to Christ by the Father did not have a complete New testament until 1600 or more years later and that is fact, all they had was the Old Testament. So they could not believe what you do.

4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

When Christ made the statement, the ONLY WORD possible was the Torah and the Old Testament --- we are to believe and do every word found in the Old Testament.

if you do not believe this -- then you have concocted your own religion. Good luck with that!

please do not bring up what have been fulfilled like the Sacrificial law. In fact there is nothing more I want to hear from you

You need to post less, and study more,lol Gal.3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

 

[memberofthebride]

You need to post less, and study more,lol Gal.3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

so your point, I think, as I am not sure what it was, is the Bible was even available to Abraham???? I hope that is not what you are saying
The Jews were given the responsibility for reproducing the Old Testament, but until the printing press only Rome handled the New Testament. up until the printing press the Church of God relied on the Old Testament and the letters. Revelation was written in If I remember around 90AD, so for 60 years the Church did not have the book of Revelation.

I wonder why Christ and the 13 Apostles quoted only from the Old testament,, if it is meaningless today?

 

[Iconoclast]

so your point, I think, as I am not sure what it was, is the Bible was even available to Abraham???? I hope that is not what you are saying
The Jews were given the responsibility for reproducing the Old Testament, but until the printing press only Rome handled the New Testament. up until the printing press the Church of God relied on the Old Testament and the letters. Revelation was written in If I remember around 90AD, so for 60 years the Church did not have the book of Revelation.

I wonder why Christ and the 13 Apostles quoted only from the Old testament,, if it is meaningless today?

I did not say it was meaningless, on any post.

 

[memberofthebride]

I did not say it was meaningless, on any post.

I did not say it was meaningless, on any post.

""My friend, where does the NT. cite this passage???
The end of what? The Jewish Theocracy in the 1st century?""

Sorry, I interpreted the above statement of yours to mean "who cares what is in the Old if it is not in the new it is meaningless

 

[Iconoclast]

""My friend, where does the NT. cite this passage???
The end of what? The Jewish Theocracy in the 1st century?""

Sorry, I interpreted the above statement of yours to mean "who cares what is in the Old if it is not in the new it is meaningless

Hello MOTB,
No worries! on these boards, often differing points of view are offered. Things can be distorted, or misunderstood. I have done similar things at times. I will also say that I understand what I am offering to you is much different than what you might have heard. It is more of the Historic view, than the popular view discussed today. What I have come to understand is that just using the scripture to understand scripture, gives a different understanding, than importing things from outside into the scriptures.Examples might be Apache helicopters being describes in Revelation, computer chips, or barcode scanners as the mark of the beast.
Confining ourselves to scripture comparing scripture gives a much different understanding of things. We can only offer what we understand.

 

[homwardbound]

My comment:

The apostles stated we are in the "Last days" to God a day is as 1000 years,
Christ came at about year 4000, it seem logical to see "the Last days" as the last 2000 years.

Christ died on the 14 th day of God's first month 31 AD -- add 2000 years ---- 2031 AD we are very very close.

Thank you for your thoughts over when. I see to be ready daily as the Ten Virgins stood. where other's had not enough oil and they were told go away and buy their own. When came back, they found the door closed
What is up with that? Could they have gone in to town and got distracted? Who knows, they were not ready and in that parable, it seems those Virgins, were being selfish, were they? Not giving up their oil?
So much error here in this world, Time to turn in and ask Father personally through risen Son for you and know to be ready in season and out of season, thank you
I stand in trust to Father in risen Son for me, trusting all to do that too, Father telling them, Son as rise it the way, thanks

 

[memberofthebride]

Thank you for your thoughts over when. I see to be ready daily as the Ten Virgins stood. where other's had not enough oil and they were told go away and buy their own. When came back, they found the door closed
What is up with that? Could they have gone in to town and got distracted? Who knows, they were not ready and in that parable, it seems those Virgins, were being selfish, were they? Not giving up their oil?
So much error here in this world, Time to turn in and ask Father personally through risen Son for you and know to be ready in season and out of season, thank you
I stand in trust to Father in risen Son for me, trusting all to do that too, Father telling them, Son as rise it the way, thanks

homwardbound

I have been watching closely for almost 60 years, there are so many events occurring today that match the first four Seals it is incredible.. the one word I find that describe this world today is "unsustainable". everything is on the path to collapse.

but,, Christ stated in Matthew 24 that the day and the hour of sudden destruction will come while everything is normal, yes sin will be off the charts, but we will get up go to work come home eat and drink until in one hour of one day it all ends.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I have been watching closely for almost 60 years, there are so many events occurring today that match the first four Seals it is incredible.. the one word I find that describe this world today is "unsustainable". everything is on the path to collapse.

The events of the first 5 seals have been happening since Jesus opened them nearly 2000 years ago

 

[memberofthebride]

The events of the first 5 seals have been happening since Jesus opened them nearly 2000 years ago

I agree the first four seals have been occurring for the last 1900 years, but they come to completion in the first half of the 7 years of the time of the end. first 3 1/2 years

the fourth Seal is World War Three and by its end 2 billion will have died.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I agree the first four seals have been occurring for the last 1900 years, but they come to completion in the first half of the 7 years of the time of the end. first 3 1/2 years

the fourth Seal is World War Three and by its end 2 billion will have died.

That sequential interpretation of 7 seals followed by 7 trumpets doesn't work because the 6th seal describes a very dire situation in which much harm is done to the earth; yet the angel says in Revelation 7:3 not to hurt the earth until the servants of God have been sealed; and then the earth is harmed starting with the first trumpet.

 

[memberofthebride]

That sequential interpretation of 7 seals followed by 7 trumpets doesn't work because the 6th seal describes a very dire situation in which much harm is done to the earth; yet the angel says in Revelation 7:3 not to hurt the earth until the servants of God have been sealed; and then the earth is harmed starting with the first trumpet.

The 7 Trumpets are the seventh seal, and the 7th Seal is the Day of The LORD, which is one year long.
the 7th Seal is God wrath on the gentiles, by the end of one year there is almost nothing left, my guess is 97.5% of cities and infrastructure is destroyed,

Also by the time Christ sets foot on the Mount of Olives and fights the battle Of "That Great Day of God Almighty" -- 90% of earths population will have died.

 

[homwardbound]

homwardbound

I have been watching closely for almost 60 years, there are so many events occurring today that match the first four Seals it is incredible.. the one word I find that describe this world today is "unsustainable". everything is on the path to collapse.

but,, Christ stated in Matthew 24 that the day and the hour of sudden destruction will come while everything is normal, yes sin will be off the charts, but we will get up go to work come home eat and drink until in one hour of one day it all ends.

That is why I said be ready daily in trust to Father in risen Son. where the oil lamps stay filled, never deplete as in the Menora, God get the lamp lit, so they could make more oil to keep lamps lit. Eight days a week the Beatles
I am elated you believe God, God takes each one in and begins the new life given them to work through them
Thanks