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There is definitely a difference between "us and them" here.

You know them by their fruits.

When we,"us", repeatedly post scripture in proper context for New Covenant Jesus followers and the opponents keep repeating their same false arguments against us AND scripture, it is tragic.

Because theirs is a premeditated assault on all Jesus followers here. People of The Way,as we were first known,only to be identified later in Antioch as Christians much later.

And God is watching.

They don't believe that.
How do we know that's true?

Because we also believe what God said about them. They will answer for every word they used to condemn,denigrate,mock,ridicule,lie,about his word.

That's not just tragic. That's their destiny. Unless God changes their mind and heart. They don't believe that either.

What is prophecy but God's message as what God has predestined.
If they die in their heresy, they will wish they had never been born. I think they already wish they had never been born.
 

mailmandan

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Not true.

Obviously you know that because you ignore the New Testament scriptures that prove you are wilfully promoting a falsehood.

Shame on you.
Colossians 2:16 - Therefore, no one is to act as your judge in regard to food and drink, or in respect to a festival or a new moon, or a Sabbath day— 17 things which are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
 

Everlasting-Grace

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I never said God's convent never changed.

It was established on better promises Heb 8:6 not better laws, because you can't make something perfect, more perfect Psa 19:7

God is the one enabling us to keep His commandment's- they went from external to internal with Him the one doing John 14:15-18 though our love and cooperation
You still can not be perfect as your father is perfect. Which is what a Holy and Just God demands.

so no matter what law you follow. you are still condemned apart from grace.

one day you lawyers will figure this out
 

Everlasting-Grace

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At least is not tragic for us.

Exodus 20:8
Remember that thou keep holy the sabbath day.

1 Peter 1:16
Because it is written: You shall be holy, for I am holy.

Matthew 26:24
The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man shall be betrayed: it were better for him, if that man had not been born.
so are you saying you have no sin?
you have defeated all sin and are now perfect?
 

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I would suggest you speak for yourself.

We are told God's law is perfect. Psa 19:7 If you think our perfect Savior could personally write an imperfect law, well that's something you will need to take up with Him.

There is no where we are told that Jesus is limited to not giving new commandments or in doing so that changes anything else He commands of us.
No. There should be, though, something about the old law passing away, or fading, or coming to an end... :unsure:

Oh, that's right. There is.

You just can't deal with it because it'll get you kicked out of your Sinai group.
 

Aaron56

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There is definitely a difference between "us and them" here.

You know them by their fruits.

When we,"us", repeatedly post scripture in proper context for New Covenant Jesus followers and the opponents keep repeating their same false arguments against us AND scripture, it is tragic.

Because theirs is a premeditated assault on all Jesus followers here. People of The Way,as we were first known,only to be identified later in Antioch as Christians much later.

And God is watching.

They don't believe that.
How do we know that's true?

Because we also believe what God said about them. They will answer for every word they used to condemn,denigrate,mock,ridicule,lie,about his word.

That's not just tragic. That's their destiny. Unless God changes their mind and heart. They don't believe that either.

What is prophecy but God's message as what God has predestined.
Again for posterity.

Is this site for "us vs them"?
 
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You still can not be perfect as your father is perfect. Which is what a Holy and Just God demands.

so no matter what law you follow. you are still condemned apart from grace.

one day you lawyers will figure this out
As long as I continue to keep the Sabbath holy I will continue to be much better than you.
 

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If they die in their heresy, they will wish they had never been born. I think they already wish they had never been born.
I don't think they know enough to feel that way.

They think God's word is a joke. They don't believe a word of it. Which is why they abuse it.

Anton LaVey was a carnival huckster. Then he claimed to later be a Satanist.
He was a liar and a fool. A con man and an opportunity. And a pervert whocsired a son on his daughter during a "black rite".

Avon books approached him during the 6p's when the hippie movement was just getting started. They asked if his "church" also had its own Bible. And would be be interested in writing one.
He did. Sort of. By plagiarizing the writings of Nietzsche,Ayn Rand,a huge hypocrite if her own ideology,and a racist whose pen name was Ragnard Redbeard and his work, "Might is Right".
Interjecting his own commentary,reworking the aforementioned authors original work, Howard Levy,aka Anton, produced that Satanic Bible.

He made and squandered a fortune between book sales and Church of Satan membership fees. If a memberostvtheir little red membership card they owed the fee again. $200.00 at one time.ukely more now because CoS is pretty much a punchline now. It was always a joke.

They're self avowed Atheist Hedonists.
Atheists, who claim to revere the antithesis of ......God! Exploiting the moral code of the Judeo-Christian faith through indulgence in the antithesis is stupid.

They're immoral unbelieving perverted sinners. Period. Claiming the name of a religions enemy makes them boogymen.

Anyway. Anton later contracted cancer. He died in a Christian hospital. His last witnessed words were of terror at what his fading worldly consciousness saw waiting.

The point of that protracted screed is, the enemies of Christ think this life is a game. They play with what others hold holy and dear. Because they don't believe in what they're mocking. They have no joy in life. Except to bait and goad Christians.

Just like LaVay.

When the time comes for their consciousness to depart this world unless God chooses to intervene they'll realize the error of their ways.

Too late.

Just like Howard.
 

MeowFlower

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I don't think they know enough to feel that way.

They think God's word is a joke. They don't believe a word of it. Which is why they abuse it.

Anton LaVey was a carnival huckster. Then he claimed to later be a Satanist.
He was a liar and a fool. A con man and an opportunity. And a pervert whocsired a son on his daughter during a "black rite".

Avon books approached him during the 6p's when the hippie movement was just getting started. They asked if his "church" also had its own Bible. And would be be interested in writing one.
He did. Sort of. By plagiarizing the writings of Nietzsche,Ayn Rand,a huge hypocrite if her own ideology,and a racist whose pen name was Ragnard Redbeard and his work, "Might is Right".
Interjecting his own commentary,reworking the aforementioned authors original work, Howard Levy,aka Anton, produced that Satanic Bible.

He made and squandered a fortune between book sales and Church of Satan membership fees. If a memberostvtheir little red membership card they owed the fee again. $200.00 at one time.ukely more now because CoS is pretty much a punchline now. It was always a joke.

They're self avowed Atheist Hedonists.
Atheists, who claim to revere the antithesis of ......God! Exploiting the moral code of the Judeo-Christian faith through indulgence in the antithesis is stupid.

They're immoral unbelieving perverted sinners. Period. Claiming the name of a religions enemy makes them boogymen.

Anyway. Anton later contracted cancer. He died in a Christian hospital. His last witnessed words were of terror at what his fading worldly consciousness saw waiting.

The point of that protracted screed is, the enemies of Christ think this life is a game. They play with what others hold holy and dear. Because they don't believe in what they're mocking. They have no joy in life. Except to bait and goad Christians.

Just like LaVay.

When the time comes for their consciousness to depart this world unless God chooses to intervene they'll realize the error of their ways.

Too late.

Just like Howard.
 

Aaron56

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I don't think they know enough to feel that way.

They think God's word is a joke. They don't believe a word of it. Which is why they abuse it.

Anton LaVey was a carnival huckster. Then he claimed to later be a Satanist.
He was a liar and a fool. A con man and an opportunity. And a pervert whocsired a son on his daughter during a "black rite".

Avon books approached him during the 6p's when the hippie movement was just getting started. They asked if his "church" also had its own Bible. And would be be interested in writing one.
He did. Sort of. By plagiarizing the writings of Nietzsche,Ayn Rand,a huge hypocrite if her own ideology,and a racist whose pen name was Ragnard Redbeard and his work, "Might is Right".
Interjecting his own commentary,reworking the aforementioned authors original work, Howard Levy,aka Anton, produced that Satanic Bible.

He made and squandered a fortune between book sales and Church of Satan membership fees. If a memberostvtheir little red membership card they owed the fee again. $200.00 at one time.ukely more now because CoS is pretty much a punchline now. It was always a joke.

They're self avowed Atheist Hedonists.
Atheists, who claim to revere the antithesis of ......God! Exploiting the moral code of the Judeo-Christian faith through indulgence in the antithesis is stupid.

They're immoral unbelieving perverted sinners. Period. Claiming the name of a religions enemy makes them boogymen.

Anyway. Anton later contracted cancer. He died in a Christian hospital. His last witnessed words were of terror at what his fading worldly consciousness saw waiting.

The point of that protracted screed is, the enemies of Christ think this life is a game. They play with what others hold holy and dear. Because they don't believe in what they're mocking. They have no joy in life. Except to bait and goad Christians.

Just like LaVay.

When the time comes for their consciousness to depart this world unless God chooses to intervene they'll realize the error of their ways.

Too late.

Just like Howard.
I guess it is common for SDAs and their ilk to create different definitions for words when they don't fit their narrative.

Just like when Bill Miller predicted the end of the world and it didn't happen. The group had to come up with some esoteric explanation that kept people in their seats. See more here: LINK

So, SDAs began using obfuscation and continue to use it when it suits their needs. Even when their star prophet is repeatedly wrong they continue on: LINK 2

Do us "normal" believers get any credit for NOT continuing to prop up people who have been exposed as frauds?
 

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No. There should be, though, something about the old law passing away, or fading, or coming to an end... :unsure:

Oh, that's right. There is.

You just can't deal with it because it'll get you kicked out of your Sinai group.
The old covenant did fade away replaced by the new covenant established on better promises.

Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.

Still has God’s law now written in the heart based on the better promises of Him doing. Heb 8:10 through our love and cooperation John 14:15-18
 

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I never said God's convent never changed.

It was established on better promises Heb 8:6 not better laws, because you can't make something perfect, more perfect Psa 19:7

God is the one enabling us to keep His commandment's- they went from external to internal with Him the one doing John 14:15-18 though our love and cooperation
You said "Nothings changed". No clarification added?

You did not specify what has changed under the new covenant.

The priesthood changed.

The physical temple is obsolete and that is a significant change.

Hebrews 7:18
For, on the one hand, there is the nullification of a former commandment because of its weakness and uselessness.

The commandment was nullified. Which commandment was that?

The written law (Exodus 20) is now written on the heart so we don't need Exodus 20.

That's assuming 'God's law' is the ten when it may be the law of love.

Tithing changed as that was a written law and we know it's not of the letter of the law.

The covenant changed and is no longer based on the book of the written law, but on grace.

Gentiles have the green light now and the Jews have a red light, that's a big change.

Acts 26:18
To open their eyes so that they may turn from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God,
that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who have been sanctified by faith in Me.

Our justification and sanctification is by faith in Jesus now and not from us.

Obedience to the law did not grant salvation but by grace we are saved now.
The law just condemns that's all it does, condemns.
 

Inquisitor

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I guess it is common for SDAs and their ilk to create different definitions for words when they don't fit their narrative.

Just like when Bill Miller predicted the end of the world and it didn't happen. The group had to come up with some esoteric explanation that kept people in their seats. See more here: LINK

So, SDAs began using obfuscation and continue to use it when it suits their needs. Even when their star prophet is repeatedly wrong they continue on: LINK 2

Do us "normal" believers get any credit for NOT continuing to prop up people who have been exposed as frauds?
If you only boast in Christ then you don't need to prop up anyone.
 
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