Are you deliberately being obtuse, simply to provoke?
You get angry when others "put words in your mouth" about 7DA but then turn right around and do it to someone else....
the Sabbath
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You get angry when others "put words in your mouth" about 7DA but then turn right around and do it to someone else....
Actually its not out of context.
The greatest commandments comes from the law of Moses you said all ended.
Deut 6:5 5 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.
Lev 19:18 but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord.
Jesus didn’t sin, this is what the Pharisees accused Jesus of doing by breaking the sabbath, I hope you are not siding with them over Jesus own Words. God’s work is not secular work and not a sin.
John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love..
John 8: 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? 47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”
It was never a sin to help people in need on the Sabbath. It may have been a law of the Pharisees in how they kept their sabbath, but never a law of God or against the Sabbath commandment.
Thats the ten commands.
Your mind is so focused on making yourself right, you can;t see when you make silly arguments which are false.
I am not under law I am under grace.
You could be too. If you recieve gods free gift of salvation. But if you want to earn it (like everyone that says what you say I have ever met does, so i assume you fell this too) then feel free.
Just remember, your filthy rags will not cause 1 sin to be forgiven.
Actually the NT says those who keep saterday are blessed. And those who give every day to God is blessed. And those who keep the day should not judge those who keep every day. And vice versa.
But hey, Keep pumping your chest. And refusing to take the plank from your eye.
There is no one here who is anti sabbath.
but hey, You can pump your chest like your buddy does. While refusing to speak directly to the people your attacking.
I am sorry we scare you so much.. Then again, if I was mocking Gods law like you are. i would be scared too.
Do you have a quote that states the New Covenant started at the destruction of Jerusalem 40 years after the Cross instead of at the Cross when Jesus said it did.
he Ten Commandments in the ark of the covenant
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
The New Covenant was ratified at the Cross by the blood of Jesus.
Mat 26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
At His death, It Is Finished, nothing could be added or changed to God’s covenant
John 19: 30 So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.
When Jesus rose He said He has all Authority over heaven and earth Mat 28:18-20. He already said not a jot or titttle can pass from His law until all is fufilled and that is when He comes on the clouds.
But if you have scripture that says the New Covenant started 40 years after His death, I am all ears.
How much scripture do we need to delete to get rid of the Sabbath. It’s really amazing to me people try so hard to get rid of it when God is just trying to give us rest and to bless and sanctify us. I see with this much strong feelings on the Sabbath someone really doesn’t want God’s people to keep it. It was about the Sabbath at the time of Christ’s death and it will be an about the Sabbath again before He comes again. After all He said it was the sign between Him and His people so we know He is our God Exe 20:20 and not some other god.
We are told Jesus is our example to follow, Jesus kept the Sabbath. Solution- Jesus lived in the Old Covenant- let’s get rid of the gospels
The apostle kept the Sabbath decades after the cross, let’s get rid of all the scripture before the destruction of Jerusalem , despite no scripture and pretty much diminishing the blood of Jesus and His great sacrifice.
We already got rid of the Ten Commandment because we had to deal with that one commandment that God said Remember
So now after the death of most of the apostles except John the Revelator thats when we are to start followIng the Bible.
But shoot, John has a vision and sees into God’s heavenly temple under the mercy seat of Christ the ark of the covenant that holds the Ten Commandments Rev 11:19 - which has the Sabbath commandment and a message from Christ that God’s faithful will keep His commandments until the end of time Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14, I guess we just need to get rid of the Bible.
Someone really does not want us to have God’s blessing and sanctification. Sad so many people have been deceived on God’s Sabbath Truth
We are told Jesus is our example to follow, Jesus kept the Sabbath. Solution- Jesus lived in the Old Covenant- let’s get rid of the gospels
The apostle kept the Sabbath decades after the cross, let’s get rid of all the scripture before the destruction of Jerusalem , despite no scripture and pretty much diminishing the blood of Jesus and His great sacrifice.
We already got rid of the Ten Commandment because we had to deal with that one commandment that God said Remember
So now after the death of most of the apostles except John the Revelator thats when we are to start followIng the Bible.
But shoot, John has a vision and sees into God’s heavenly temple under the mercy seat of Christ the ark of the covenant that holds the Ten Commandments Rev 11:19 - which has the Sabbath commandment and a message from Christ that God’s faithful will keep His commandments until the end of time Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14, I guess we just need to get rid of the Bible.
Someone really does not want us to have God’s blessing and sanctification. Sad so many people have been deceived on God’s Sabbath Truth
Who is trying to get rid of it?
You keep proving what I said about you earlier.. I think you are exposing yourself. But thats good. We can then move on. And stop feeding
If we all agreed to keep the Sabbath commandment I am sure this post wouldn’t be on 215 pages. So there is lots of opposition about God’s Sabbath. The argument the Sabbath is for Jews, but in the same breath it was edited to mean something else or the Sabbath ended at the cross or now at the destruction of Jerusalem despite Jesus saying it would be kept there Mat 24:20. Sounds to me, the main argument here is is to get rid of it according to God’s commandment, which is the only way one should keep.
The sabbath is an antidote for idolatry.
[Eze 20:12, 16, 20 KJV] 12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I [am] the LORD that sanctify them. ... 16 Because they despised my judgments, and walked not in my statutes, but polluted my sabbaths: for their heart went after their idols. ... 20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I [am] the LORD your God.
The new covenant did begin with the resurrection and God's acceptance of Jesus' blood for atonement. But the old covenant could not end until the sanctions required under the terms of the covenant were fulfilled. That's why you have the old covenant described as waning in Hebrews.
And, the new covenant could not be practiced under old covenant requirements. This is why Jesus gave the warning of putting new wine in old wines kins. Just as the old wineskins burst when new wine is placed in them, so too does old covenant requirements burst when they are applied to the new covenant.
Amen! In regard to Mark 2:27, "the sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath." This statement was in response to the accusation by the Pharisees that Jesus' disciples were breaking the law regarding resting on the sabbath while going through the fields and plucking heads of grain. (Matthew 12:1-8; Mark 2:23-28; Luke 6:1-5)
Jesus responded by giving an example from the Old Testament in which David was once in need of food and was given consecrated bread that was only lawful for the priests to eat (1 Samuel 21:1-6). The bread served a practical need for David and his men, just as with Jesus and His disciples, the grain served a practical need. David and his men were not acting sinfully in eating the showbread, and neither were Jesus’ disciples by plucking heads of grain on the sabbath. Jesus concludes, "the Son of Man is Lord even of the sabbath." (Mark 2:27-28)
The sabbath was intended to help man and not burden man. In contrast with the agonizing, daily work as slaves in Egypt, the Israelites were commanded to take a day of rest each week under the Mosaic Law. The Pharisees had turned the sabbath into a burden by adding restrictions beyond what God’s law said. The disciples had not broken God’s law, they merely violated the Pharisees’ own legalistic, interpretation of the law.
Can you please provide scripture that says the New Covenant wasn’t ratified by the blood of Christ, but at some other time according to you when all these things took place.
The veil was torn at His death Mat 27:51 , everything at that time pointed to a heavenly Temple. Heb 9:11 Jesus no longer dwelled in the earthy temple but instead His people became His temple. The earthy temple or its destruction meant nothing and has no significance to the New Covenant starting.
So again, if you could provide scripture to show something different, thats what I am interested in.
Thanks
This was addressed to the Israelites here who were under the law of Moses. Sabbaths was not the only thing mentioned in these verses. The Israelites here despised God's judgments and walked not in His statutes and went after idols. Pollution g God's sabbaths was not the only problem here.
Turning keeping the weekly sabbath day into a legalistic prescription for salvation under the new covenant for the body of Christ when the body of Christ under the new covenant was never commanded to keep the sabbath day (Colossians 2:16-17) is turning the sabbath into an idol.
Hebrews 9:18-26.
But if someone wants to say that the new covenant was initiated upon the death of Christ, I'm not dogmatic about it.
But just as the new covenant was not established until all that was required be satisfied, neither can a covenant end until all that is required be satisfied. That is to say, God cannot willy-nilly end a covenant without also fulfilling all the stipulations of the covenant. This required the implementation of all the curses called for in the old covenant.
In my case, myself and King James.
[Rom 10:17 KJV] 17 So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
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