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Was the criminal saved because he repented or asked Jesus to remember him?

Matthew 23:42
And he was saying, “Jesus, remember me when You come into Your kingdom!”
I would not say that he "repented"; he acknowledged that he was a sinner (part of the whole that is repentance). Further, having recognized that Jesus was innocent and a king, asked a favour of the king, and in so doing, demonstrated that he believed that Jesus would be resurrected.
 

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Repentance and faith are deeply interconnected, and the relationship between them can sometimes seem like a "which comes first" question.
However, they are often seen as two sides of the same coin in a spiritual journey.
Repentance can be viewed as an act of faith because it requires believing in God’s truth and responding to His call to turn away from sin. At the same time, faith often precedes repentance because one must first believe in God's existence, goodness, and authority to truly repent.

Faith may come first as the foundation. Believing in God and His promises creates the trust and conviction necessary for someone to see their need for repentance. As a result, genuine repentance turning away from sin and toward God is both an expression and an outworking of that faith. For example, someone cannot turn from sin in a meaningful way without believing that God is real, holy, and merciful.

I know where you want to lead this discussion but Know the main message of Jesus was to preach repentance and the Kingdom of Heaven. One can have faith but if there is no repentance, what is the use for that person having faith. I believe Faith in GOD has a purpose.

True faith involves not just believing in God's existence and promises but also responding to His call for a transformed life. Repentance is the fruit of genuine faith—it shows that the heart has been humbled, convicted, and aligned with God's will.
We may disagree on some things, but we agree on this.
 

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Exodus 20:2 - I am the Lord your God, who brought YOU out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. The Israelites.

Moses gives the reason the Sabbath was given to the nation of Israel: “Remember that YOU were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought YOU out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore, the Lord your God has commanded YOU to observe the Sabbath day.” (Deuteronomy 5:15)

Exodus 35:1 - Then Moses assembled all the congregation of the sons of Israel, and said to them, “These are the things that the LORD has commanded YOU to do: 2. For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a holy day, a Sabbath of complete rest to the LORD; whoever does any work on it shall be put to death. 3. You shall not kindle a fire in any of your dwellings on the Sabbath day.” The congregation of THE SONS OF ISRAEL, God said to them.

Sabbath observance was a sign between God and Israel: “The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested.” (Exodus 31:16-17)

Sabbath keeping with all its rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) that is not binding on Christians under the new covenant.

Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

Hebrews 4:9 - So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. (NASB) Notice that the Greek word "sabbatismos" here is used nowhere else in the Bible.

W. E. Vine, Greek Dictionary points out:

Sabbath rest (4520) (sabbatismos from sabbatízo = keep the Sabbath) literally means a keeping of a sabbath or a keeping of days of rest. It is used in this passage not in the literal sense (meaning to keep a specific day, the "Sabbath" day) but to describe a period of rest for God’s people which is modeled after and is a fulfillment of the traditional Sabbath.

SABBATISMOS a Sabbath-keeping, is used in Heb. 4:9, R.V., "a Sabbath rest," A.V. marg., "a keeping of a Sabbath" (akin to sabbatizoµ, to keep the Sabbath, used, e.g., in Ex. 16:30, not in the N.T.); here the Sabbath-keeping is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law.

Because this Sabbath rest is the rest of God Himself, its full fruition is yet future, though believers now enter into it. In whatever way they enter into divine “rest,” that which they enjoy is involved in an indissoluble relation with God. (Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words)

http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/articles/index.php?view=article&aid=35458

Also see:

http://www.sabbatismos.com/the-sabbath/new-covenant-sabbath-rest/#sthash.hGHDgcYe.dpbs
http://www.sabbatismos.com/the-sabb...required-for-christians/#sthash.qCsHS07o.dpbs
We don't go to Hell for not keeping the Sabbath. We won't go to Hell for honoring the Sabbath.

The Sabbath was a gift to man. Not Israelites alone. Man. It was included in the 10 commandments as a rememberance , not an edict.

I don't believe a Christian can agree we are all one in Christ, no Jew,Israelite,Greek,male,female,no divisions as before, and then insist Sabbath was rescinded because it is for Jews only.

Though obviously there are Christians that do insist upon that.

Even when they can produce not one iota of proof God said the same. Or that Jesus was mistaken when saying the Sabbath was made for man,not Israelites, not man for the Sabbath.

No one here has said a Christian must observe Sabbath. Though many insist we cannot.Should not.




Abraham was a Gentile.
 

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Paul was sent by Christ to preach His message. No difference in the message its the same message as what Christ Preach. Our lack of understanding is the problem.
Jesus:"Do not presume that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke of a letter shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished!"
MATTHEW 5:17


Paul:
For Christ is the end of the Law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
ROMANS 10:4

Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us
GALATIANS 3:13

But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.
ROMANS 7:6

For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, by abolishing in His flesh the hostility, which is the Law composed of commandments expressed in ordinances…
EPHESIANS 2:14-15

https://contradictionsofpaul.com/paul-contradicts-yeshua-2/
 

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If Constantine declared a day of rest in 321 AD, then it follows that there were no Roman Adventists.
During the first 3 centuries of Christianity because they worked seven (or eight days) a week.

Adventism started in the USA in the nineteenth century.

I read somewhere that Ellen White stated that Christians always rested on the sabbath.
Then Constantine changed the seventh day to the first day. I have seen that many times
in SDA relies. They are wrong on that one.

"all judges and townships and all occupations of trade rest on the venerable day of the sun."

Constantine did not decree a day of rest and worship but only a day of rest.
Another one who doesn't read an article yet thinks he knows better than what the article relates.

How foolish.
 

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Exodus 20:2 - I am the Lord your God, who brought YOU out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. The Israelites.

Moses gives the reason the Sabbath was given to the nation of Israel: “Remember that YOU were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought YOU out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore, the Lord your God has commanded YOU to observe the Sabbath day.” (Deuteronomy 5:15)

Exodus 35:1 - Then Moses assembled all the congregation of the sons of Israel, and said to them, “These are the things that the LORD has commanded YOU to do: 2. For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a holy day, a Sabbath of complete rest to the LORD; whoever does any work on it shall be put to death. 3. You shall not kindle a fire in any of your dwellings on the Sabbath day.” The congregation of THE SONS OF ISRAEL, God said to them.

Sabbath observance was a sign between God and Israel: “The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested.” (Exodus 31:16-17)

Sabbath keeping with all its rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) that is not binding on Christians under the new covenant.

Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

Hebrews 4:9 - So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. (NASB) Notice that the Greek word "sabbatismos" here is used nowhere else in the Bible.

W. E. Vine, Greek Dictionary points out:

Sabbath rest (4520) (sabbatismos from sabbatízo = keep the Sabbath) literally means a keeping of a sabbath or a keeping of days of rest. It is used in this passage not in the literal sense (meaning to keep a specific day, the "Sabbath" day) but to describe a period of rest for God’s people which is modeled after and is a fulfillment of the traditional Sabbath.

SABBATISMOS a Sabbath-keeping, is used in Heb. 4:9, R.V., "a Sabbath rest," A.V. marg., "a keeping of a Sabbath" (akin to sabbatizoµ, to keep the Sabbath, used, e.g., in Ex. 16:30, not in the N.T.); here the Sabbath-keeping is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law.

Because this Sabbath rest is the rest of God Himself, its full fruition is yet future, though believers now enter into it. In whatever way they enter into divine “rest,” that which they enjoy is involved in an indissoluble relation with God. (Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words)

http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/articles/index.php?view=article&aid=35458

Also see:

http://www.sabbatismos.com/the-sabbath/new-covenant-sabbath-rest/#sthash.hGHDgcYe.dpbs
http://www.sabbatismos.com/the-sabb...required-for-christians/#sthash.qCsHS07o.dpbs
Only Israel..... well are you an Israelite in Christ.
Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

The context is clear that the Gentiles are connected to the root and have become part of the tree.

We are adopted into the family.

Rom 2:17-29
17 Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God, 18 And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law; 19 And art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness, 20 An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law. 21 Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal? 22 Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege? 23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God? 24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written. 25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision. 26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? 27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law? 28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Read these verses ..... who are the Jews?
Who are God's people?

Those that keep the law. I am a Jew inwardly. In the Spirit.
And Paul said in verse 26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?

Should you remain an uncircumcised gentile, a wild olive, or shoulf you become be a Spiritual Israelite, grafted in. ??

Rom 8:4-15
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. 12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

It is clear that there are 2 powers that work in us .... the Spirit and the flesh.

Selfishness and God's righteousness.

Verse 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Verse 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Are you teaching that we are not subject to the law of God. Are you saying the law is void...??. Those that teach this are teaching us to follow the carnal mind which is enmity against God and leads us away from being Children of God.

By the Spirit, God can transform and create a clean heart in us. It requires faith and a surrender of your heart but with God it is possible. .
 

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We don't go to Hell for not keeping the Sabbath. We won't go to Hell for honoring the Sabbath.

The Sabbath was a gift to man. Not Israelites alone. Man. It was included in the 10 commandments as a rememberance , not an edict.

I don't believe a Christian can agree we are all one in Christ, no Jew,Israelite,Greek,male,female,no divisions as before, and then insist Sabbath was rescinded because it is for Jews only.

Though obviously there are Christians that do insist upon that.

Even when they can produce not one iota of proof God said the same. Or that Jesus was mistaken when saying the Sabbath was made for man,not Israelites, not man for the Sabbath.

No one here has said a Christian must observe Sabbath. Though many insist we cannot.Should not.




Abraham was a Gentile.
Who is saying the Sabbath was rescinded? Just as no one has said the law is rescinded, no one is saying the Sabbath is rescinded. What is being said is that the Sabbath correctly understood was never about a particular day, but a particular rest.
Abraham knew this rest, and rejoiced in it.
 

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the criminal next to the cross was saved because he repented! and also it is Jesus who decides, ie. judges, being one with GOD he can do what he wants, it was his will.
Repentance is in the heart, not the lips. Jesus “knew all men” and read his mind that he was penitent and sincere and wanted to know Jesus personally as Savior, which is what counts with Him. You are going for the letter of the Law and missing the spirit or intent of the Law. He was not baptized either but surely would’ve, had he the chance. He is also the only person in the Bible who addressed the Lord as “Jesus.” “O Lord, You know the hearts of all men…” Acts 1:24 Note: there is no genuine repentance without saving faith (Acts 20:21) and it always shows fruit to verify its validity (Acts 26:20; Matt. 3:8: Luke 3:8).
 

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Let's get down to business.

Is not eating Pork binding?
In the New Testament, Jesus swept away these rules when He “declared all foods clean” (Mark 7:18-19): “There is nothing outside the man which can defile him if it goes into him; but the things which proceed out of the man are what defile the man.”
There are people in other countries eating rats, fat, locusts(lol) things we may frown on, but that's why we are to pray over everything, food included. Sodas and processed food may be way more harmful than pork. I've been eating tostadas de carnitas for decades, and pray over all I partake of.
 

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Who is saying the Sabbath was rescinded? Just as no one has said the law is rescinded, no one is saying the Sabbath is rescinded. What is being said is that the Sabbath correctly understood was never about a particular day, but a particular rest.
Abraham knew this rest, and rejoiced in it.
If you read the thread you will see there are those claim the Sabbath no longer applies.
As to the idea the Sabbath "correctly understood" (?) was never about a particular day,that is patently false.
 

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The Sabbath was never about a particular day? Are we reading the same bible?

Did God misspeak and accidently personally wrote the Sabbath is about a particular day?

Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.

Heb 4:4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;

Exodus 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
 

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In the New Testament, Jesus swept away these rules when He “declared all foods clean” (Mark 7:18-19): “There is nothing outside the man which can defile him if it goes into him; but the things which proceed out of the man are what defile the man.”
There are people in other countries eating rats, fat, locusts(lol) things we may frown on, but that's why we are to pray over everything, food included. Sodas and processed food may be way more harmful than pork. I've been eating tostadas de carnitas for decades, and pray over all I partake of.
Hey there,

I am not sure if you know this but the words saying Jesus made all foods clean is not in the original transcripts and those newer translations who added it to God’s Word will have to pay the consequences of doing so.

This is a parable not even about food. Jesus explained the parable…. He used food as an illustration but it wasn’t about food as He clearly explains ….

Mat 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22 thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. 23 All these evil things come from within and defile a man.”
 

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If you read the thread you will see there are those claim the Sabbath no longer applies.
As to the idea the Sabbath "correctly understood" (?) was never about a particular day,that is patently false.
It's not false. Consider God's statement to Moses when he saw the burning bush. Moses was told to remove his sandals because the ground was holy. What made the ground holy? Did the ground itself have some innate holiness? Or was it holy having been sanctified unto the use of God? Likewise, does a sabbath have any innate holiness? Of course not. It's holiness is due to the sanctifying purpose of God. The day is sanctified and made holy as it is purposed. What is the purpose? Making sure the week has 7 days? Or, in the provision of rest?
 

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Still doesn’t change this written and spoken Word by God

Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.

Do we really know better than He? It’s best to let God be God and not question why He does something as if we know better then He, we don’t. Best not to mess with God’s Word- our words do not equal God’s Word.

Yes, it is God who does the sanctifying but He was so clear- written and spoken by God. The Sabbath is about a particular day the seventh day. No one is above God, certainly not our opinions. In essence it makes one their own god. Trust God He knows what He is doing
 

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Still doesn’t change this written and spoken Word by God

Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.

Do we really know better than He? It’s best to let God be God and not question why He does something as if we know better then He, we don’t. Best not to mess with God’s Word- our words do not equal God’s Word.

Yes, it is God who does the sanctifying but He was so clear- written and spoken by God. The Sabbath is about a particular day the seventh day. No one is above God, certainly not our opinions. In essence it makes one their own god. Trust God He knows what He is doing
What mountain were you at when you received this command?
 

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What mountain were you at when you received this command?
You said the Sabbath was not about a particular day- God’s said otherwise.

Now you changed your argument to make it sound as if the Sabbath was only meant for those on the mountain.

Yet Jesus says otherwise - made for man and everyone - there was even a provision in the Sabbath commandment for this as well- the stranger within your gates meaning for everyone

The Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27

Isa 56:6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant

Did the Sabbath change in the NT?

Jesus said not a jot or tittle can pass from His law Mat 5:18

why the Sabbath rest is still according to the commandment Luke 23:56

The bible really tells us everything we need to know to be a follower of Christ. Let Him direct our path and He does so through His Word- He doesn’t need our edits, it’s really only hurting oneself Pro 30:5-6 and the others they teach in the long run. Trust God at His Word- there is no greater Authority than God. It’s when we think we know better, it takes us down the wrong path. Rom 6:16
 

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It's not false. Consider God's statement to Moses when he saw the burning bush. Moses was told to remove his sandals because the ground was holy. What made the ground holy? Did the ground itself have some innate holiness? Or was it holy having been sanctified unto the use of God? Likewise, does a sabbath have any innate holiness? Of course not. It's holiness is due to the sanctifying purpose of God. The day is sanctified and made holy as it is purposed. What is the purpose? Making sure the week has 7 days? Or, in the provision of rest?
What compells you to twist the Scriptures in public?

It becomes a pattern of absurdity after awhile. However in this post your subconscious appears to tire of your game as well.

"The day is sanctified and made holy as it is purposed."


Your post #3787
" What is being said is that the Sabbath correctly understood was never about a particular day, but a particular rest."



https://www.biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/bible-verses-about-sabbath/
 

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You said the Sabbath was not about a particular day- God’s said otherwise.

Now you changed your argument to make it sound as if the Sabbath was only meant for those on the mountain.

Yet Jesus says otherwise - made for man and everyone - there was even a provision in the Sabbath commandment for this as well- the stranger within your gates meaning for everyone

The Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27

Isa 56:6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant

Did the Sabbath change in the NT?

Jesus said not a jot or tittle can pass from His law Mat 5:18

why the Sabbath rest is still according to the commandment Luke 23:56

The bible really tells us everything we need to know to be a follower of Christ. Let Him direct our path and He does so through His Word- He doesn’t need our edits, it’s really only hurting oneself Pro 30:5-6 and the others they teach in the long run. Trust God at His Word- there is no greater Authority than God. It’s when we think we know better, it takes us down the wrong path. Rom 6:16
I haven't changed anything. In establishing the Sabbath, God appointed a day in which to find rest. The rest pictured in the cessation of earthly duties always pointed to the rest found in the cessation of human endeavor as a means to relationship with God. Not seeing this spiritual reality is spiritual blindness.

Following the letter of the law is only profitable if one knows God's intention in the law. No matter how many Sabbaths you physically partake in, unless you experience the rest that it portended, you haven't spiritually entered into the Sabbath, and haven't truly found rest.

Don't worry so much for me. I have entered into this rest. Seek it earnestly for yourself. Like Job, I know my Redeemer lives, and like Abraham, I rejoice in seeing His day.
 

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What compells you to twist the Scriptures in public?

It becomes a pattern of absurdity after awhile. However in this post your subconscious appears to tire of your game as well.

"The day is sanctified and made holy as it is purposed."


Your post #3787
" What is being said is that the Sabbath correctly understood was never about a particular day, but a particular rest."



https://www.biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/bible-verses-about-sabbath/
I think by twisted you must mean unraveled. No thanks necessary. You're always welcome.
 

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I haven't changed anything. In establishing the Sabbath, God appointed a day in which to find rest. The rest pictured in the cessation of earthly duties always pointed to the rest found in the cessation of human endeavor as a means to relationship with God. Not seeing this spiritual reality is spiritual blindness.

Following the letter of the law is only profitable if one knows God's intention in the law. No matter how many Sabbaths you physically partake in, unless you experience the rest that it portended, you haven't spiritually entered into the Sabbath, and haven't truly found rest.

Don't worry so much for me. I have entered into this rest. Seek it earnestly for yourself. Like Job, I know my Redeemer lives, and like Abraham, I rejoice in seeing His day.
Ok, so ignore what God said. He didn’t really mean the seventh day. But listen to me, even though I have never produced one scripture to back my opinion.

This sounds similar to what Adam and Eve went through in the garden. Don’t eat from one tree, otherwise you will surely die. The serpent came along and said the opposite, you won’t surely die, you can eat from the tree.

Thank you, but for me I am going to stick with what God said. No one is in the Spirit by breaking the letter. John 14:15-18 Mat 5:19-30 Rom 8:7-8 1 John 3:24 Acts 5:32 It’s another deception. The spirit of the law is greater than the letter, not lessor as Jesus demonstrated warning not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments Mat 5:19-30 because that path leads one to a ditch Mat 15:3-14

I do worry for you, and all of my neighbors. We are not sanctified by our own words, we are only sanctified by the Truth in God’s Word John 17:17 and only God can sanctify and bless us. Eze 20:12 God was specific for a reason, if you think He doesn’t mean what He said, guess we will all find out soon enough. But its best imho to let God be God and we be His humble servant living by His every Word and not ours.

I wish you well.
 
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