the Sabbath

[Magenta]

As you wish.

Eh, initially it most certainly was not my wish to become Christian through what Jesus Christ did for me, in giving His life as the good shepherd for the sins of the world. For through the law I died to the law so that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ, and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me. I do not set aside the grace of God. For if righteousness comes through the law, Christ died for nothing. Yes, I was granted repentance, long before I surrendered my will and my life to Him, for I agreed with God's assessment of who I was before Him. Any ways, nobody can keep the requirements given for keeping the Sabbath commands. They are lying if they say they can and do.

Galatians 2:16 A man is not justified by works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

Galatians 2:20-21

 

[Dino246]

I beleive this

Eze 20:12 Moreover I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between them and Me, that they might know that I am the LORD who sanctifies them.

Who are the "them" in this verse? Please back up your response with Scripture.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I beleive this

Eze 20:12 Moreover I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between them and Me, that they might know that I am the LORD who sanctifies them.

Only God can sanctify us, the Sabbath is a sign between us and God, so we know that He is the Lord who sanctifies.

Only God can sanctify a day, only God can sanctify us. We need God for everything.

We who treat Saturdays like any other day and through faith cease from works of the flesh, know that God is sanctifying us every day. So your statement - "Man says- get rid of the Sabbath. We can sanctify ourselves." is a false characterization of those who oppose your position.

 

[Dino246]

Romans 14 does not use the word "Sabbath" once. Its referring to opinions of man, what man esteems, not what God esteemed that is a commandment of God. The apostles were not lightly discussing whether they should or should not obey one of God's commandments, it was in reference to their own opinions.

Your opinion of what this chapter says is not supported by the text.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Who are the "them" in this verse? Please back up your response with Scripture.

I was waiting for this question.

Israel. Israel was both literal and metaphorically to identify God's people.

The New Covenant is still made with Israel

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

If we are in Christ, we are grafted into God's Israel through faith, there is no more Jew or Gentile and part of the Promise- including the promise of God's sanctification because man cannot sanctify themselves,. Isa 66:17

Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[Dino246]

We who treat Saturdays like any other day and through faith cease from works of the flesh, know that God is sanctifying us every day. So your statement - "Man says- get rid of the Sabbath. We can sanctify ourselves." is a false characterization of those who oppose your position.

Misrepresentation and denigration are the default response of those who cannot refute your position with sound exegesis and logic.

 

[Dino246]

I was waiting for this question.

Israel.

Exactly: Israel. Not Christians, not gentiles, not some metaphorically-identified not-yet-existent group of people. In the context of God's words to Ezekiel, "them" is ancient Israel. God gave ancient Israel His sabbaths, that they might know that He is the Lord. God did not give them to the gentiles, nor to Christians.

By the way, you did not support your answer with Scripture. You answered a question I did not ask.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

We who treat Saturdays like any other day and through faith cease from works of the flesh, know that God is sanctifying us every day. So your statement - "Man says- get rid of the Sabbath. We can sanctify ourselves." is a false characterization of those who oppose your position.

We are not being made holy by being in rebellion to one of God's commandments. This is what Christ said in His own words about those who do not keep God's holy things.

Eze 22:26 Her priests have [a]violated My law and profaned My holy things; they have not distinguished between the holy and unholy, nor have they made known the difference between the unclean and the clean; and they have hidden their eyes from My Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them.

God made the Sabbath day holy, and sanctified the Sabbath and blessed the Sabbath Gen 2:1-3 and the Sabbath is connected to our sanctification thus saith the Lord Eze 20:12

This is actually what Hebrews 4 is really about if one wants to understand whats its really saying.

In God's rest there is no rebellion to God, there is only peace and righteousness, which means one is obeying God's commandments.

Isa 48:18 Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!
Then your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.

To enter into Christ rest- one always ceases from their works as God did, on the seventh day.

We can received God's rest 24/7 but those who enter ALSO cease their works as God did from His, on the seventh day. Heb 4:10, Heb 4:4

Why Sabbath-keeping is so important and remains for the people of God Heb 4:9

We don't have to agree, I am okay with that, but its what the scriptures teach and the Sabbath connect God to Creation Exo 20:11 so not sure why people are so willing to get rid of this commandment, Jesus in His own Words tells us what it does when we hid our eyes from His Sabbath. If we have faith in Him, we should have faith and trust His teachings.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Exactly: Israel. Not Christians, not gentiles, not some metaphorically-identified not-yet-existent group of people. In the context of God's words to Ezekiel, "them" is ancient Israel. God gave ancient Israel His sabbaths, that they might know that He is the Lord. God did not give them to the gentiles, nor to Christians.

By the way, you did not support your answer with Scripture. You answered a question I did not ask.

Jesus said the Sabbath is for everyone and made for man and the word He used translates into human beings

I am going to trust my Savior that He knows what He is saying and would not deceive me.

Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant

Mark 2:27 The Sabbath was made for man. Man was made on the sixth day in the image of God Gen 1:26 before the very first Sabbath that God hallowed Gen 2:1-3 Exo 20:11

But beleive what you want, we are all given free will

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Romans 14 does not use the word "Sabbath" once. Its referring to opinions of man, what man esteems, not what God esteemed that is a commandment of God. The apostles were not lightly discussing whether they should or should not obey one of God's commandments, it was in reference to their own opinions. Much like today if we were discussing should we keep Christmas or Easter- not disobeying God and sinning. Paul's writings can be tricky and there is a reason the inspired Word of God said his writings came with a warning 2 Peter 3:16. They are not to be used to countermand God.

yeah it’s talking about making one day more important than another which is what sabbaths we’re lol but ok how about this

“Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this points out the same elements but actually names a few all ordinances of the law of Moses including the sabbath days .

Now why is that not saying what it says ?

 

[Dino246]

Jesus said the Sabbath is for everyone and made for man and the word He used translates into human beings

I am going to trust my Savior that He knows what He is saying and would not deceive me.

Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant

Mark 2:27 The Sabbath was made for man. Man was made on the sixth day in the image of God Gen 1:26 before the very first Sabbath that God hallowed Gen 2:1-3 Exo 20:11

But beleive what you want, we are all given free will

You still have not supported your assertion with Scripture.

 

[MeowFlower]

There was a Seventy-day Adventist named Desmond Doss who won the medal of honor in his role as a medic. It is an interesting story.

I watched the movie based on his true service story. Truly a great American and the epitome of embodying what it means to be a hero.

God rest his soul in peace.

 

[Pasifika]

Would you say that the Ten Commandments are the details of each of the two under consideration? They explain how to love God and mankind?

i would say yes, under the old covenant of the letter. But Under the New covenant the details of the two commandments are more explain by the Gospel message, through the teachings of Jesus and the apostles in the New Testament and the Prophets in the old Testament.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

yeah it’s talking about making one day more important than another which is what sabbaths we’re lol but ok how about this

“Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this points out the same elements but actually names a few all ordinances of the law of Moses including the sabbath days .

Now why is that not saying what it says ?

Did you know there is more than one Sabbath in the scripture. The context is in verse 14 that no one ever quotes for some strange reason.

Col 2:14 having wiped out the [a]handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

The weekly Sabbath started at Creation, so impossible to be a shadow of anything, because it started when God made everything perfect. There is no food or drink offerings in the Sabbath commandment, its referring to the sabbath(s) that are in ordinances handwritten by Moses that was contrary and against. Read Deut 31:24-26 which is what this verse is pointing to and Heb 9:9-10 and Hebrews 10:1-22 which is about the annual feast days, that some were annual sabbath(s) handwritten by Moses, placed OUTSIDE the ark as a witness against. The Sabbath is a commandment of God, written by the finger of God and is holy and blessed by God, it does not fit the context but sadly people don't care hence the stern warning 2 Peter 3:16. God blessed man cannot reverse Num 23:20 so one would need a thus saith the Lord and all the thus saith the Lords Jesus told us to live by tell us to keep and not profane.

Its not even what Paul taught and he faithfully kept every Sabbath decades after the Cross and instead of pointing the Gentiles to day 1 worship, when they asked to hear the same gospel the next Sabbath, because the Sabbath never changed for God's faithful.

Acts 13:42 [n]So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath

Acts 13: 44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God

Acts 18: 4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

 

[Pasifika]

Yes, the New Covenant was established on Better Promises Heb 8:6,it still has "God's law" now written in the heart. The location of the Ten Commandments changed, not the law itself, God promises He would not alter His words Psa 89:34 not a jot or tittle can pass until Jesus comes in the Clouds because no one is above the Authority of God. Its why in the NC the Sabbath is still a commandment Luke 23:56 and why the apostles also kept holy every Sabbath decades after the Cross Acts 15:21 Act 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4 a Christian is a follower of Christ- Christ always led by example and He kept the Sabbath Luke 4:16-17 and if we abide in His love we would also keep the commandments and follow in His footsteps 1 Peter 2:21-22 1 John 2:5-6

yes NC establishes on better Promises by a "New Way" of the Spirit. Not the old way of the letter.

God have never changed His Law. the 10 commandments was added later to Scripture, 430 yrs later after the covenant with Abraham Gal 3:17

 

[SabbathBlessing]

yes NC establishes on better Promises by a "New Way" of the Spirit. Not the old way of the letter.

God have never changed His Law. the 10 commandments was added later to Scripture, 430 yrs after the covenant with Abraham Gal 3:17

The Ten Commandments was being kept way before Mt Sinai and you can see this throughout the scriptures. The law that defines sin Rom 7:7 Mat 5:19-30 1 John 3:4 can't be the same law that was added for breaking God's law and sinning.

The better promise is God is the one doing, being mediated through Jesus Christ who is our High Priest. The placement changed, not the Ten Commandments as God promised Psa 89:34 Mat 5:18- went from tables of stone to tablets of the heart and why we see the 10 commandments all throughout the entire NC, including the Sabbath being kept by Jesus who is the way and led by example.

 

[MeowFlower]

You still have not supported your assertion with Scripture.

“The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath” Mark 2:27



“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God."

Keyword there is,remember.

Sabbath is able to be honored and kept. People have proven this for centuries. The Apostles who walked with Jesus kept the Sabbath after his ascension.

The real issue here should be,why are there Christians adamantly opposed to the gift of God ? Another gift that was given to man ,i.e. human beings, not exclusively Jews as some wrongly insist.

Those opponents enjoy the free irrevocable gift of faith and Salvation Gods grace provides. Yet they renounce Gods gift of the Sabbath.

It isn't a command that if broken results in death. The 10 commandments included the Sabbath as a rememberancen of God's , our Lord who is Lord of the Sabbath, gift to people.

The actual challenge to you Dino and other opponents of God's Sabbath gift is simple,since you ask people to prove what they say with scripture.

Post the scripture that tells us God's Sabbath gift to mankind was revoked by God.

We have God's gift of irrevocable eternal life through his Salvation. We rest in him eternally and every day and he in turn indwells us.

Prove God withdrew his day of rest from the labors of the world so that we may find rest in Him in the church that we share together, God and the individual who is the living temple house of the Holy.


Back your opposition to Sabbath for Christians with scripture.

"Sabbath is not a commandment we are bound to; it's a promise we're invited to enjoy."
Unknown

 

[Inquisitor]

The law of love is the greatest, no disagreeing.... but does the law of love negate the 10 commandments.

The law of love was written in Moses's writtings and to the nation of Israel, but you accept them today.
why not the 10 commandments?

Most people do accept the 9 commandments. but the 4th is removed in multiple ways.

That's because the sabbath was a ceremonial law.

The Romans did not have a day off from work every week like the Jews.

This means it was impossible for a Roman to obey the sabbath.

You do not seem to understand this point.

 

[Pasifika]

The Ten Commandments was being kept way before Mt Sinai and you can see this throughout the scriptures. The law that defines sin Rom 7:7 Mat 5:19-30 1 John 3:4 can't be the same law that was added for breaking God's law and sinning.

The better promise is God is the one doing, being mediated through Jesus Christ who is our High Priest. The placement changed, not the Ten Commandments as God promised Psa 89:34 Mat 5:18- went from tables of stone to tablets of the heart and why we see the 10 commandments all throughout the entire NC, including the Sabbath being kept by Jesus who is the way and led by example.

the 10 was never given to man until Sinai. and it proven in the Bible very obvious.
yes i agree the law that define sin has always been there, but it wasn't given to man Not until Sinai.

 

[Inquisitor]

what about murder and lying, what about having other gods before the God almighty, and taking His name in vain?
Do we do nothing because Jesus perfectly obeyed these commandments? can i covet freely now because Jesus keep that commandment perfectly?

Did Jesus come to save you from the penalty of sin or from sin..
I know that Jesus came to free me from both. He doesn't want me to be entangled in sin.

2Pe 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. 20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

If you are willing to emulate Jesus then that means you will be emulating Jesus.

If you are walking in pure love towards others then you cannot be sinning.

1 Peter 4:8
Above all, keep fervent in your love for one another, because love covers a multitude of sins.

How is it possible to be following Zeus if you confess the Christ?

Your post's seem to say that is you follow a few specific laws your free from sin?