the Sabbath

[SabbathBlessing]

And where is it written in the 10 commandments that respect of persons is sin?

The whole commandments is summed up in Love. If one was keeping the Ten Commandments the way Jesus taught- relating it with our thoughts and feelings that leads to actions Mat 5:19-30, no law would be violated. Coveting one person over another would not happen if one was keeping God’s holy law..

Why it is God’s perfect law converting the soul Psa 19:7, the perfect law of liberty. James 2:10-12

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

The whole commandments is summed up in Love. If one was keeping the Ten Commandments the way Jesus taught- relating it with our thoughts and feelings that leads to actions Mat 5:19-30, no law would be violated. Coveting one person over another would not happen if one was keeping God’s holy law..

Why it is God’s perfect law converting the soul Psa 19”7, the perfect law of liberty. James 2:10-12

You're just talking nonsense

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

This is the law James was referring to, ie not in the 10 commandments

Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour. Leviticus 19:15​

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[SabbathBlessing]

This is the law James was referring to, ie not in the 10 commandments

Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour. Leviticus 19:15​

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What law is James only quoting and contrasting here? Where do you find these laws. Who is the "He who said" James is quoting?


James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.2 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

To say they are not referring to the 10 commandments is not being honest

The Ten Commandments
20 And God spoke all these words, saying:

2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of [a]bondage.
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor [b]serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting[c] the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
13 “You shall not murder.
14 “You shall not commit adultery.
15 “You shall not steal.
16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”

V9 is contrasting love they neighbor and showing partiality to people and then compares that to partiality to the Ten Commandments breaking one you break them all.

You don't have to believe me but its spelled out.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

It's obvious what commandments James was referring to. Not in the 10 commandments

Ye shall not respect persons in judgment; but ye shall hear the small as well as the great; ye shall not be afraid of the face of man; for the judgment is God's: and the cause that is too hard for you, bring it unto me, and I will hear it. Deuteronomy 1:17​

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But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. James 2:9​

 

[SabbathBlessing]

It's obvious what commandments James was referring to. Not in the 10 commandments

Ye shall not respect persons in judgment; but ye shall hear the small as well as the great; ye shall not be afraid of the face of man; for the judgment is God's: and the cause that is too hard for you, bring it unto me, and I will hear it. Deuteronomy 1:17​

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But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. James 2:9​

That’s in relation to James 2:8
There is nothing about people in James 2:10 it’s about Gods Ten Commandments.
Contrasting partiality by breaking one of the “He who said” in the Ten we break them all. Are we supposed to ignore James 2:10-12. We have free will but he says in breaking one commandment we break them all and become the transgressor of the law and breaking God’s law is sin 1 John 3:4 and what we will be judged by so seems like a bad idea covering our sins we will not prosper Pro 28:13 but if we turn from sin and turn- a change in direction and confess and love Him we would want to keep His commandments, He shows us mercy Exo 20:6

 

[Aaron56]

I did not mention the crib.
You are making the assumption that a crib is comparable to the law.

Has the law served its purpose?
Because God's royal law is good and a blessing it does not become void.

If you can make the assumption that the crib is like the 10 commandments. I can assume that everything outside the crib is lawless and sinful.

It a parable. Jesus spoke in parables to people who could not discern His spiritual words.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

That’s in relation to James 2:8
There is nothing about people in James 2:10 it’s about Gods Ten Commandments.
Contrasting partiality by breaking one of the “He who said” in the Ten we break them all. Are we supposed to ignore James 2:10-12. We have free will but he says in breaking one commandment we break them all and become the transgressor of the law and breaking God’s law is sin 1 John 3:4 and what we will be judged by so seems like a bad idea covering our sins we will not prosper Pro 28:13 but if we turn from sin and turn- a change in direction and confess and love Him we would want to keep His commandments, He shows us mercy Exo 20:6

Your logic is so tortuous/torturous and confusing it gives me a headache to read

 

[Aaron56]

A righteous person does not need their lawlessness pointed out...
They do not need to be shown that they are sinning.

Jesus was righteous and He still obeyed the law.

But because I am not perfect and sin, prise God for the law. A guild to help me repent and turn from my sins.

Remove the law and I would not know when I fall. The 10 commandments are a wonderful guild to help me know when I fall.
Pro 24:16 For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief.

The law does not condemn the righteous but it does condemn the unrighteous.

The sabbath law condemns me when do not obey it but when I obey it I'm not condemned by it... simple concept.

Yes you would. Before Jesus died there was only the law. After Jesus died He sent the Holy Spirit to convict the world of sin righteousness and judgement.

7 “Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you. 8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 of sin, because they do not believe in Me”

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Your logic is so tortuous/torturous and confusing it gives me a headache to read

I was on my phone when I wrote that, not as clear as I wanted and too late to edit, but that said there is nothing confusing about James 2:10-12. You claiming it’s not about the Ten Commandments when James is quoting and contrasting from them verbatim, is not a good argument .

James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.2 So speak so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Yes you would

If they have the spirit

These are the ones being divisive, soulish, not having the spirit. Jude 1:19​

 

[Gideon300]

i wont dish these verses out for you I am certain you know them but GOD is compassionate and will make exceptions, give us time to adjust. the pharisees in Jesus times were strict, invented more laws with a million detail, making the laws a burden for many, They were the legalists. Jesus said a few things about this. if someone did not know about the sabbath can they be held responsible? I think not, me for a long time I did not know about the sabbath but when I did I changed jobs. I am not an expert on the Law of Moses but I am certain that Christians have to follow all of the 10 commandments, we have to change our ways to do this.

Peace.

Obviously you know little of the New Testament. Dead people are no longer subject to the law even in worldly matters. Who takes a murderer to court if he dies in a police shoot out? I died to the law so that I could serve a higher law, the Law of the Spirit of Life. You do not obey the ten commandments. Everyone falls at the first hurdle. We do not have it in ourselves to love God with all of our hearts. That's why God gives Christians a new nature. I love God with the love He's given to me to love Him with.

When it states "commandments" in the NT, it is a fallacy to imagine that it is just the ten commandments. The Christian life is foremost a life of obedience and faith. And to the leading of the Spirit, not to a few commandments. If the commandments were so important, I'm sure that the stone tablets would still be around. They've been lost and God has not seen fit to replace them.

Lord Jesus has not made the Law easier to follow. The Sermon on the mount is a commentary which explains God's intent. And that makes it impossible. So we need something other than our own ability to obey the spirit of the law, not just the letter.

If you want to obey the sabbath according to the OT definition, fine. I'll continue to live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. Never in my 50+ years as a believer has He told me to go to church on Saturdays only.

 

[TMS]

Yes you would. Before Jesus died there was only the law. After Jesus died He sent the Holy Spirit to convict the world of sin righteousness and judgement.

7 “Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you. 8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 of sin, because they do not believe in Me”

What defines sin.

 

[TMS]

Love is not a burden.

When you really love someone it is not a burden to obey them.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Love is not a burden.

When you really love someone it is not a burden to obey them.

That's twisting the meaning to justify following the letters rather than the spirit of love.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

What defines sin.

Showing respect of persons is sin, but that is not listed in the 10 commandments, so it is not able to inform you that it is sin. When you follow the commandment that says "do to others what you want done to yourself" then the spirit through that is what informs you it is sin.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Dead people are no longer subject to the law even in worldly matters. Who takes a murderer to court if he dies in a police shoot out? I died to the law so that I could serve a higher law, the Law of the Spirit of Life.

This never gets addressed in a direct, meaningful way by the law-keepers because they can't; it completely undermines their whole position.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Obviously you know little of the New Testament. Dead people are no longer subject to the law even in worldly matters. Who takes a murderer to court if he dies in a police shoot out? I died to the law so that I could serve a higher law, the Law of the Spirit of Life. You do not obey the ten commandments. Everyone falls at the first hurdle. We do not have it in ourselves to love God with all of our hearts. That's why God gives Christians a new nature. I love God with the love He's given to me to love Him with.

When it states "commandments" in the NT, it is a fallacy to imagine that it is just the ten commandments. The Christian life is foremost a life of obedience and faith. And to the leading of the Spirit, not to a few commandments. If the commandments were so important, I'm sure that the stone tablets would still be around. They've been lost and God has not seen fit to replace them.

Lord Jesus has not made the Law easier to follow. The Sermon on the mount is a commentary which explains God's intent. And that makes it impossible. So we need something other than our own ability to obey the spirit of the law, not just the letter.

If you want to obey the sabbath according to the OT definition, fine. I'll continue to live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. Never in my 50+ years as a believer has He told me to go to church on Saturdays only.

A Christian is a follower of Christ.

Christ said if you love Me, keep My commandments. John 14:15

The Sabbath is a commandment, just like thou shalt not murder and not to worship other gods. God called this unit of Ten Exo 34:28 "My commandments" Exo 20:6

God's law is a reflection of His holy character which we are to conform to.

Jesus kept the Sabbath and was in the synagogues (church) as His custom readings God's Word Luke 4:16-17

The apostles were followers of Christ and also followed in His footsteps keeping every Sabbath also preaching and reading God's Word in the synagogues (church). Acts 15:21 13:42-44, 18:4 etc.

Jesus said: John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

1 John 2: 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

Faith is not a feeling, we are told our hearts are deceptive above all Jer 17:9

Faith comes from hearing the Word of God Romans 10:17 and the NT Christians all kept the Sabbath, including Jesus, which we need the same faith He had.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Follow Jesus, He only leads us on the narrow path back to reconciliation Rev 22:14

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Being dead to the law and walking in the Spirit as shown through the scriptures. (posted again for those who may have missed it)

To be dead (released) to/from the law means to be dead to the penalty or condemnation of the law, not the law itself, which is holy, just and good Rom 7:12

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.

What is walking in the Spirit?

1 John 3:24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [e]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

Acts 5:32 And we are His witnesses to these things, and so also is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey Him.”

What is walking in the flesh?

It's sin- breaking God's law 1 John 3:4 James 2:10-12 Rom 7:7 Mat 5:19-30

Rom 8: 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

This truly cannot be more clear.

We are not walking in His Spirit by being disobedient to God's commandments. The devil has flipped things that sadly many are falling to his deception- obeying God commandments is bad and sin- the opposite of what the scriptures state - 1 John 3:4 James 2:10-12 Rom 7:7 Mat 5:19-30

God wants our inward parts changed- which starts with our thoughts. He wrote His law in our hearts right where sin begins. If our heart changes through Christ our actions will change.

Those in Christ live according to the Spirit which violates no law.


Gal 5:16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. (under the penalty)

19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are:]adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

If we abide in Christ we will walk just as He walked following in His footsteps

1 John 2:6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.
Jesus kept all of the commandments including the Sabbath

John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

Follow the Lamb!


Those who enter His rest ALSO cease their works as God did, on the seventh day Heb 4:4 Exo 20:11 Gen 2:1-3

10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.
"For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”

 

[vassal]

Obviously you know little of the New Testament. Dead people are no longer subject to the law even in worldly matters. Who takes a murderer to court if he dies in a police shoot out? I died to the law so that I could serve a higher law, the Law of the Spirit of Life. You do not obey the ten commandments. Everyone falls at the first hurdle. We do not have it in ourselves to love God with all of our hearts. That's why God gives Christians a new nature. I love God with the love He's given to me to love Him with.

When it states "commandments" in the NT, it is a fallacy to imagine that it is just the ten commandments. The Christian life is foremost a life of obedience and faith. And to the leading of the Spirit, not to a few commandments. If the commandments were so important, I'm sure that the stone tablets would still be around. They've been lost and God has not seen fit to replace them.

Lord Jesus has not made the Law easier to follow. The Sermon on the mount is a commentary which explains God's intent. And that makes it impossible. So we need something other than our own ability to obey the spirit of the law, not just the letter.

If you want to obey the sabbath according to the OT definition, fine. I'll continue to live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. Never in my 50+ years as a believer has He told me to go to church on Saturdays only.

The stones tablets with the 10 commandments written by the finger of GOD that are the covenant given to all who love and do GOD will , they still exists.. Here is the proof, from scripture. it indicates the importance of the covenant to GOD himself;

Rev 11:19 Then the temple of God in heaven was opened, and the ark of His covenant appeared in His temple. And there were flashes of lightning, and rumblings, and peals of thunder, and an earthquake, and a great hailstorm.

if as you claim, you follow Christ and obey him, you would also follow the commandments as they are written, given . Jesus was teaching them during his ministry and he magnified the commandments. He never abolished or diminished them as some think.