the Sabbath

[SaysWhat]

There is no scripture saying one can only travel less than a mile on the Sabbath, perhaps why you didn’t provide scripture.

It's somewhere in numbers about staying around the city walls under a mile.

In the verse below a Sabbath days journey isn't speaking of a length of time but a distance of around a half a mile or so. The Jewish people practice the tradition. The Christian who stayed in the land it was a obstacle, especially traveling about.

Acts 1:12
Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.

 

[Inquisitor]

Those are all good and related. Jesus answered what commandments very directly a few places.

Matt 19:16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good[ Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”

17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? [f]No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”

Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”

Jesus quoted directly from the Ten Commandments and the greatest commandment on how to love our neighbor. Does that mean the commandments from this same unit of Ten on how to love God we don't need to keep. Will there ever be a time we should serve others gods? No, so by the answer to this one question, we should know we should keep all of them. So Jesus in Mat 14:15 repeated what He said right in the Ten Commandments Exo 20:6 that He personally wrote Exo 31:18

Jesus addresses it again....again relating to the Ten Commandments with Judgement

Mat 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

I do not believe least in heaven means one is there is we look at the next verse. v20 Then Jesus goes on to quote two of the commandments so we know what He is referring to right from the Ten Commandments using thou shalt not murder and thou shalt not commit adultery as an example. He expanded on what they mean and how to keep them and relates our feelings that lead up to the literal act of committing murder which is also a sin. Jesus wants us changed from the heart, where sin begins hence why He wrote His law in our hearts Heb 8:10 so if our heart no longer has feelings of contempt and anger towards our neighbor, thou shalt not murder would automatically be kept. Living by the spirit is greater than the letter, not lessor and if doing so, every one of the Ten Commandments would be kept, not by our power but through Christ. He said I will Heb 8:18 John 14:15-18 its why the New Covenant is established on better promises Heb 8:6 not better laws because we can't make something God wrote that is perfect converting the soul Psa 19:7 more perfect.

The basic problem you have in your interpretation is that Jesus was talking to the Jews,
in both Matthew and Hebrews. Jesus was sent only to the Jews.

Jesus was not directly addressing the Gentiles at any time regarding the law.

It would be most unwise to place the Gentiles under the law.

Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles and you would need to study Paul's letters.
To understand that the Gentiles were not circumcised and were never given the
law by God. Older interpretations such as yours are inferior.

 

[Inquisitor]

Actually it does put an end to observing the letters. If the righteousness of the law is fulfilled by loving one's neighbor then there is no need for the letters of the law; they have become obsolete.

Jesus established a new covenant with us and gave us a new commandment.

Luke 22:20
And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup, which is poured
out for you, is the new covenant in My blood.

2 Corinthians 3:6
Who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit;
for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Hebrews 8:8
For in finding fault with the people, He says, “Behold, days are coming, says the Lord,
When I will bring about a new covenant With the house of Israel and the house of Judah.

Hebrews 8:13
When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming
obsolete and growing old is about to disappear.

John 13:34
I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you,
that you also love one another.

Hence the "commandments" that the Gentiles are under.

1 John 3:23-24
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another,
just as He commanded us. The one who keeps His commandments remains in Him, and He in him.
We know by this that He remains in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

 

[Inquisitor]

So we can now worship other gods, vain God's name, break the Sabbath, commit murder, adultery etc. I am positive Paul's hard to understand words that came with a stern warning for good reason 2 Peter 3:16 is not teaching to sin Rom 7:7 and dishonor God Rom 2:22-23. But we are given free will.

Follow the law, the letter, you will die.

 

[Inquisitor]

Take a look at Eze 20:13 Eze 20:21, the passage in Hebrews is relating the disobedience of the Israelites in the wilderness and bringing it forward to todays time and telling us not to follow their same path of disobedience. Many didn’t keep the Sabbath either and it didn’t turn out so well. Why Heb 4:9NIV says the Sabbath rest remains for God’s people and the rest in this verse literally translates into Sabbath-keeping.

Loving God is obedience to God the way He asks. He doesn’t ask for a lot, but I believe He means what He says. You think all days are alike, God said the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God Exo 20:10 and to rest from our works and keep the Sabbath day holy. Exo 20:8 Adam and Eve thought a tree was just a tree and their disobedience changed everything. I don’t think doing the same thing that has separated us from God by being disobedient is the path back to Him. He says its not Mat 15:3-14 Mat 5:19 Mat 7:21-23 Rev 22:14-15 but He gives us free will and longs for us to choose trusting and placing our faith in Him and living by His every Word, the way He said because He created us and knows what’s best for us.

Obedience to the law, if that were possible, will not grant you any righteousness.

The law will merely grant you the knowledge of your sin.

In fact, the letter kills and that will be the outcome of your legalism.

 

[GWH]

IMHO, both S and C need to discern the difference between God's eternal moral will/law, which is summarized by Christ's law of love and elaborated by such NT passages as MT 5:21-48 and GL 5:13-26; and Moses' temporary Sabbatarian or sacrificial law, which God commanded Israel to observe in order that they would remain separated from other nations so they would serve as the heritage that produced Messiah, whose fulfillment by the sacrifice of himself atones for the sins of all humanity, even though many are ignorant of that truth/Gospel one way or another.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Its really common sense, to fulfill the law of love does that mean we can now worship other god, steal, commit adultery to break the least of these commandments, the opposite of what Christ taught Mat 5:19-30 Of course not.

It's deceitful to reorder syntax to twist scripture. Scripture says love fulfills the law, not the law fulfills love

 

[SabbathBlessing]

It's somewhere in numbers about staying around the city walls under a mile.

In the verse below a Sabbath days journey isn't speaking of a length of time but a distance of around a half a mile or so. The Jewish people practice the tradition. The Christian who stayed in the land it was a obstacle, especially traveling about.

Acts 1:12
Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.

Does not say what you claimed "one can only travel less than a mile on the Sabbath"

Its was giving an historical fact how long they traveled not that they could only travel a certain distance.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

The basic problem you have in your interpretation is that Jesus was talking to the Jews,
in both Matthew and Hebrews. Jesus was sent only to the Jews.

Jesus was not directly addressing the Gentiles at any time regarding the law.

It would be most unwise to place the Gentiles under the law.

Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles and you would need to study Paul's letters.
To understand that the Gentiles were not circumcised and were never given the
law by God. Older interpretations such as yours are inferior.

Mat 4:4 But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ”

1 John 2:5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God [a]is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.


1 Peter 2:21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:

22 “Who committed no sin,
Nor was deceit found in His mouth”;

John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

We are free to live by other people's words and believe what Jesus taught and how He lived "were for other people" I prefer to live by His Word and follow His example and know He will never lead me off the narrow path. Jesus said its when we keep our rules over obeying the commandments of God quoting from the Ten Commandments, that leads one in a ditch. The path we choose by our obedience is who we serve Rom 6:16. We are given free will, we can change our mind today Heb 3:7-8 and be followers of Christ following in His steps, but one day soon, it will be too late Rev 22:11

 

[SabbathBlessing]

IMHO, both S and C need to discern the difference between God's eternal moral will/law, which is summarized by Christ's law of love and elaborated by such NT passages as MT 5:21-48 and GL 5:13-26; and Moses' temporary Sabbatarian or sacrificial law, which God commanded Israel to observe in order that they would remain separated from other nations so they would serve as the heritage that produced Messiah, whose fulfillment by the sacrifice of himself atones for the sins of all humanity, even though many are ignorant of that truth/Gospel one way or another.

So you are the one who gets to decide which part of God's work Exo 32:16 is moral and immoral and not God? Which commandments are righteous and which ones are not when He said all of His commandments are righteous Psa 119:172 including the Sabbath Isa 56:1-6 - His righteousness is everlasting Psa 119:142, ours is as fifthly rags. We decide which one of God's commandments are truth when He said ALL of His commandments are Truth Psa 119:151

The same issue we see throughout the bible where man thinks they know better than God, sad not much has changed.

 

[GWH]

So you are the one who gets to decide which part of God's work Exo 32:16 is moral and immoral and not God? Which commandments are righteous and which ones are not when He said all of His commandments are righteous Psa 119:172 including the Sabbath Isa 56:1-6 - His righteousness is everlasting Psa 119:142, ours is as fifthly rags. We decide which one of God's commandments are truth when He said ALL of His commandments are Truth Psa 119:151
The same issue we see throughout the bible where man thinks they know better than God, sad not much has changed.

No, each person is accountable to God for his/her thoughts regarding the word of God. (HB 4:12) BTW, you DO know what the H in IMHO means?

However, although Paul said his freedom should not be judged by another man's conscience, he still made an effort not to act in ways that might tempt someone to violate his/her conscience. (1CR 10:29-33)

 

[SabbathBlessing]

It's deceitful to reorder syntax to twist scripture. Scripture says love fulfills the law, not the law fulfills love

For this IS the love of God that we keep His commandments 1 John 5:3

It works forward and backwards. We do not fulfill the law of love by breaking the commandments, the commandments are fulfilled by love when keeping. Breaking them is sin Rom 7:7 1 John 3:4 James 2:10-12 and without repentance and a change of heart and direction leads one on the wrong path Rom 6:16

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

It works forward and backwards.

No it doesn't. Works of law exclude grace and grace excludes works of law. They are mutually incompatible

 

[SabbathBlessing]

No, each person is accountable to God for his/her thoughts regarding the word of God. (HB 4:12) BTW, you DO know what the H in IMHO means?

However, although Paul said his freedom should not be judged by another man's conscience, he still made an effort not to act in ways that might tempt someone to violate his/her conscience. (1CR 10:29-33)

What God deemed moral- His Truth, His Righteousness, His Holiness, His blessing, His Sanctification, will never be immoral.


Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.

Isa 56: Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,

Rev 22: 14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

The Sabbath is a commandment of God thus saith the Lord written by the finger of God Exo 31:18 which are His works Exo 32:16 which we need to depend on and not our own works, our own truth our own righteousness

Num 23:20 Behold, I have received a command to bless;
He has blessed, and I cannot reverse it.

No man can reverse God's blessing. We are need God's blessing for salvation.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

No it doesn't. Works of law exclude grace and grace excludes works of law. They are mutually incompatible

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin (break the law 1 John 3:4 Rom 7:7) that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin (break the law 1 John 3:4 Rom 7:7) that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Those who believe in Christ and love their neighbor are not continuing in sin

 

[vassal]

The Bible does not provide specific, direct instructions about an exact distance one can travel on the Sabbath day. However, there are principles and some examples in the Scriptures that address the observance of the Sabbath and the limitations on activities, including travel.

Old Testament Context:
In the Old Testament, the main commandment regarding the Sabbath comes from Exodus 20:8-10:

"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it." (Exodus 20:8-10, KJV)

This commandment focuses on resting and refraining from work, but it does not specify the distance one may travel. The issue of travel, though, is implied in various Jewish traditions and later interpretations.

Travel on the Sabbath
In the book of Exodus, there is an indirect reference to the concept of travel or staying in one place during the Sabbath:

Exodus 16:29: See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day." (Exodus 16:29, KJV)

This suggests that no one should go out of their place on the Sabbath, implying that travel beyond one's home or dwelling place was restricted. However, this passage does not specify a set distance but emphasizes the idea of staying in one’s place on the Sabbath.

The Sabbath Day’s Journey

In the New Testament, there is a more specific reference to the distance one could travel on the Sabbath.

Acts 1:12:"Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey." (Acts 1:12, KJV)

The phrase "a sabbath day's journey" refers to a traditional Jewish measurement of distance. According to Jewish law, as interpreted by the Pharisees and Rabbis, a person was allowed to travel (about 2,000 cubits (approximately 3,000 feet or about half a mile) from their home or place of residence on the Sabbath without violating the commandment to "rest." This was based on interpretations of the Mosaic law regarding the "city of refuge" and the "limits of travel" during the Sabbath.

The restriction of "2,000 cubits" is rooted in Numbers 35:5, which refers to the cities of refuge being located at specific distances:

"And ye shall appoint you cities to be cities of refuge for you; that the slayer may flee thither, which killeth any person at unawares. And they shall be unto you cities for refuge from the avenger; that the manslayer die not, until he stand before the congregation in judgment." (Numbers 35:11-12, KJV)

The distance of 2,000 cubits (around half a mile) is drawn from the idea that this was the distance outside the city walls where people could go without violating Sabbath observance.

Clearly, the Bible does not explicitly state a precise rule on how far one can travel on the Sabbath day. However, it is clear that travel beyond one's immediate area was restricted, and Jewish tradition, as reflected in Acts 1:12, limited travel to "a Sabbath day's journey"—which was traditionally understood to be about 2,000 cubits (roughly 3,000 feet or about half a mile).

This is what scripture says.

 

[vassal]

Follow the law, the letter, you will die.

if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.(mat 19:17)

 

[SaysWhat]

Does not say what you claimed "one can only travel less than a mile on the Sabbath"

Its was giving an historical fact how long they traveled not that they could only travel a certain distance.

A Sabbath day's journey is around a 1000 feet. That is the distance one could travel on a Sabbath.

That is why Matthew 24:20 mentions the winter and on a Sabbath which both will restrict movement. Winter because of the rainy seasons mud. Sabbath because jews weren't aloud to travel very far on the Sabbath. And Christian in the land abide by the Sabbath law of limited travel.

 

[SaysWhat]

Excuse me it was around 3000 feet