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the Sabbath
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That says a lot, thank you. I find I often convey more, the less I say.
Kinda like a favorite quote of mine from Mark Twain. “I wrote a long letter to you, because I didn’t have time to write a shorter reply.”
Simply let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ Anything more comes from the evil one.
Matthew 5:37
Matthew 5:37
Do you agree with the verses below? ... Yes or no please.. If you answer these, i'll answer the above.
Roms 3:31. Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law
Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Jas 2:10-12 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Yes i agree with the fact that the gospel and the law can not be seperated.
Many who claim to believe and to teach the gospel are in a similar error. They set aside the Old Testament Scriptures, of which Christ declared, “They are they which testify of Me.” John 5:39. In rejecting the Old, they virtually reject the New; for both are parts of an inseparable whole. No man can rightly present the law of God without the gospel, or the gospel without the law. The Old Testament sheds light upon the New, and the New upon the Old. Each is a revelation of the glory of God in Christ. Both present truths that will continually reveal new depths of meaning to the earnest seeker.
do you agree? that both the Old and New testament are important to understanding the gospel?
Many who claim to believe and to teach the gospel are in a similar error. They set aside the Old Testament Scriptures, of which Christ declared, “They are they which testify of Me.” John 5:39. In rejecting the Old, they virtually reject the New; for both are parts of an inseparable whole. No man can rightly present the law of God without the gospel, or the gospel without the law. The Old Testament sheds light upon the New, and the New upon the Old. Each is a revelation of the glory of God in Christ. Both present truths that will continually reveal new depths of meaning to the earnest seeker.
do you agree? that both the Old and New testament are important to understanding the gospel?
So still no Yes or No answer to my questions from Sabbathblessing. That speaks volumes and I'll take that as a Yes. I agree with those verses. I just don't agree with SDA/misguided teach of the law eisegesis. We establish or uphold the law (Romans 3:31) by putting our faith in the One who fulfilled all the righteous requirements of the law on our behalf and who offers us His perfect righteousness as a free gift. (Romans 4:5-6) For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. (Romans 10:4) If the law is still binding on us today, then it has not yet accomplished its purpose, it has not yet been fulfilled. If the law, as a legal system, is still binding on us today, then Jesus was wrong in claiming to fulfill it and His sacrifice on the cross was insufficient to save us. Thank God, Jesus fulfilled the whole law and now grants us His righteousness as a free gift. Praise God!
Yes because the bible says two things to be saved.
Believe and be baptized and you will be saved.
But you have to be baptised with the Holy Spirit to receive salvation.
Because when you believe your only saved at that point.
Its like the Sheep who hear his voice and follow,
One sheep can still go missing before it's had its hair cut, for many reasons
Do you agree with that statement in blue about the 10 commandments being part of the plan of salvation and the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ in post #1,112? I hope you realize that statement culminates in "salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works." (Galatians 1:6-9)
It's not about setting aside the Old Testament Scriptures or setting aside the fact that the Old Testament sheds light upon the New Testament. It's about mixing law and grace, faith and works. (Romans 10:4; 11:4; Galatians 2:16; 2:21; 3:10; Philippians 3:9 etc..). They don't mix.
Old Testament sacrifices foreshadowed the sacrifice of Christ. (Hebrews 10:1-18) Also Isaiah 53:5 gives us a prophecy about the coming sacrifice of Christ. Is this what you are talking about?
Is that what we read in John 1:12; 3:15,16,18,36; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26; Acts 10:43; 13:39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18; Romans 1:16; 3:24-28; 4:5-6; 5:1; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:21; 1 John 5:13 etc..). NO. What happened to "and be baptized" in those verses? You need to stop hanging your hat on one half of one verse and properly harmonize scripture with scripture before reaching your conclusion on doctrine.
John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
to be saved by faith still means you can receive salvation after you die, so this would not be condemning anyone.
To be saved by and with the Holy Spirit before you die would be recieving salvation before you die.
Again this is not condemning.
If we love God we obey his commandments.
If God knows we believe and he knows we obey his commands, It's only then will he treat us like Job the faithful servant.
In the sense It's only then is he confident to put you through the fire. Because he knows your faith will not faulter.
He wil not give anyone a task they can not follow and he will keep working with you like he did the Israelites for 40 years.
All tho I would rather I was an Edomite and have a feeling I could be an Edomite, i can't say thank God I'm not an Israelite.
. I must help the poor and needy and love my enemyI now know why so many religious folk love casseroles; just throw a bunch of verses in a dish, mix it up, and bake at 350 for one hour ;-)
The Sabbath is the seventh day of the week, according to the Bible. It is a day of rest and worship for God’s people. However, most Christians today observe Sunday, the first day of the week, as their day of worship. How and why did this change happen?
There is no clear evidence in the Bible that God, Jesus, or the apostles changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. The Bible consistently teaches the observance of the seventh-day Sabbath from Genesis to Revelation. Jesus and the apostles also kept the Sabbath and never commanded anyone to stop doing so.
The change from Saturday to Sunday was a gradual process that involved several factors, such as:
There is no clear evidence in the Bible that God, Jesus, or the apostles changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. The Bible consistently teaches the observance of the seventh-day Sabbath from Genesis to Revelation. Jesus and the apostles also kept the Sabbath and never commanded anyone to stop doing so.
The change from Saturday to Sunday was a gradual process that involved several factors, such as:
- The authority of the Catholic Church, which claimed the power to change God’s law and transfer the sanctity of the Sabbath to Sunday.
- The influence of sun worship, which was a popular pagan religion in the Roman Empire. Sunday was the day dedicated to the sun god, and many Christians adopted it to avoid persecution and blend in with the culture.
- The anti-Semitism of some Christians, who wanted to distance themselves from the Jews and their practices. They considered the Sabbath a Jewish institution and rejected it as a sign of their separation from Judaism.
Some question are traps and need to be avoided or will cause disputes within believers which is not what a a true follower of Christ does.
if this is true then you follow a gospel that is different from what Jesus was teaching as he came to announce the Kingdom of heaven and repentance. john the baptist who paved the way of the messiah said the same thing" Repent for the kingdom of heaven is near"
I see you stated that you were saved at birth. Where in the Gospel that Jesus proclaimed, does He say that you need only be born, and not “born again?”
So you believe the gospel which Paul preached negates the gospel that Jesus preached? Do you understand progressive revelation? You need to learn how to rightly divide the word of truth. Don't allow your confusion to keep you from believing the gospel.
See post #23 from the link below:
https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...ding-to-the-gospel.213282/page-2#post-5198046
People who repeatedly and deliberately distort and misrepresent what other people say ought not be called nice.
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