the Sabbath

[mailmandan]

I already addressed this.

Why would Gentiles "keep" an Israelite ordinance?

They wouldn't! They might, however, for convenience, gather with Israelites to hear the word of God when and where the Israelites gathered.

In regard to Acts 13:42-44 (which SDA's often cite in an effort to make an argument for sabbath worship) Paul's work here was evangelism. Notice that these were "unbelievers" in Christ before Paul preached to them. Yes, they believed in the Jewish system, but the Bible says in Acts 14:1, that they BECAME believers proving Paul's work there was evangelism and not sabbath worship.

The Greeks were Jewish converts to Judaism known as proselytes. They practiced the law of Moses and kept the sabbath. The only Greeks that were in the synagogue would be these proselytes. These Greeks were not yet Christians. Acts 13:43 - "Now when the meeting of the synagogue had broken up, many of the Jews and of the God-fearing proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, were urging them to continue in the grace of God."

Acts 14:1 - "In Iconium they entered the synagogue of the Jews together and spoke in such a manner that a large number of people believed, both of Jews and of Greeks."

Acts 17:4 - "And some of them were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, along with a large number of the God-fearing Greeks and a number of the leading women.

Acts 18:4 - "And he was reasoning in the synagogue every Sabbath and trying to persuade Jews and Greeks."

 

[mailmandan]

The observance of the 7th day Sabbath was specifically given to Israel. After the New Covenant was established by Christ, the Sabbath days were deemed to be "shadows" of the reality of Christ, who is Lord of the Sabbath, and who said that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. (Col 2:16,17)

Amen! Exodus 20:2 - I am the Lord your God, who brought YOU out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. The Israelites.

Moses gives the reason the sabbath was given to the nation of Israel: “Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought YOU out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore, the Lord your God has commanded YOU to observe the Sabbath day.” (Deuteronomy 5:15)

Sabbath observance was a sign between God and Israel: “The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested.” (Exodus 31:16-17)

If sabbath day observance is still required today, then so would the burnt offerings that went along with them. (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13) So no kindling a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath. (Exodus 35:3) Every man must remain in his place on the Sabbath. (Exodus 16:29) No trading. (Amos 8:5) No marketing. (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19) These were commanded by God to Israel. (Exodus 35:1)

Exodus 35:1 - Then Moses assembled all the congregation of the sons of Israel, and said to them, “These are the things that the LORD has commanded you to do: 2. For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a holy day, a Sabbath of complete rest to the LORD; whoever does any work on it shall be put to death. 3. You shall not kindle a fire in any of your dwellings on the Sabbath day.” The congregation of THE SONS OF ISRAEL, God said to them.

If keeping the weekly sabbath day is still in effect today, then why don't Sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the Lord commanded in regard to it? If keeping the weekly sabbath day is still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the Sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people. Who is going to enforce that today? The Jewish synagogue or perhaps the SDA church?

 

[rrcn]

Amen! Exodus 20:2 - I am the Lord your God, who brought YOU out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. The Israelites.

Moses gives the reason the sabbath was given to the nation of Israel: “Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought YOU out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore, the Lord your God has commanded YOU to observe the Sabbath day.” (Deuteronomy 5:15)

Sabbath observance was a sign between God and Israel: “The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested.” (Exodus 31:16-17)

If sabbath day observance is still required today, then so would the burnt offerings that went along with them. (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13) So no kindling a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath. (Exodus 35:3) Every man must remain in his place on the Sabbath. (Exodus 16:29) No trading. (Amos 8:5) No marketing. (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19) These were commanded by God to Israel. (Exodus 35:1)

Exodus 35:1 - Then Moses assembled all the congregation of the sons of Israel, and said to them, “These are the things that the LORD has commanded you to do: 2. For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a holy day, a Sabbath of complete rest to the LORD; whoever does any work on it shall be put to death. 3. You shall not kindle a fire in any of your dwellings on the Sabbath day.” The congregation of THE SONS OF ISRAEL, God said to them.

If keeping the weekly sabbath day is still in effect today, then why don't Sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the Lord commanded in regard to it? If keeping the weekly sabbath day is still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the Sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people. Who is going to enforce that today? The Jewish synagogue or perhaps the SDA church?

Here is a summary of the history of the change of the Sabbath the seventh day to Sunday the first day of the week.
https://thechristianlife.com/catholic-church-says-to-have-changed-the-sabbath-to-sunday/

 

[Magenta]

Hebrews 4:9 - So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. (NASB) Notice that the Greek word "sabbatismos" here is used nowhere else in the Bible.

W. E. Vine, Greek Dictionary points out:

Sabbath rest (4520) (sabbatismos from sabbatízo = keep the Sabbath) literally means a keeping of a sabbath or a keeping of days of rest. It is used in this passage not in the literal sense (meaning to keep a specific day, the "Sabbath" day) but to describe a period of rest for God’s people which is modeled after and is a fulfillment of the traditional Sabbath.

SABBATISMOS a Sabbath-keeping, is used in Heb. 4:9, R.V., "a Sabbath rest," A.V. marg., "a keeping of a Sabbath" (akin to sabbatizoµ, to keep the Sabbath, used, e.g., in Ex. 16:30, not in the N.T.); here the Sabbath-keeping is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law.

Because this Sabbath rest is the rest of God Himself, its full fruition is yet future, though believers now enter into it. In whatever way they enter into divine “rest,” that which they enjoy is involved in an indissoluble relation with God. (Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words)

http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/articles/index.php?view=article&aid=35458

Hebrews 4:7B plus 9

 

[ThyKingdomComeSoon]

I already addressed this.

Why would Gentiles "keep" an Israelite ordinance?

They wouldn't! They might, however, for convenience, gather with Israelites to hear the word of God when and where the Israelites gathered.

dino, the commandments are for all gentiles and jews, it is true that Jesus first preached to the Jews but not only to them, Jesus sent his disciples to everyone. Here is what peter says in acts;

Act 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

Remember that Peter was a jew and followed the commandments. Gentiles and Jews have the same heavenly father, it is why Jesus sent the disciples to preach to all the world, Jews and gentiles alike;

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Also;

Mrk 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Blessings.

 

[dlj57]

[Gen 2:1-2 KJV] 1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
The Sabbath was the seventh day of creation week, that was the day God rested in a completed creation. It was then left as a memorial for man (that’s why the commandment says “remember”) there weren’t any Israelites. The Sabbath is a gift from a loving creator, not a burden. It spans all time and will be observed after sin has been destroyed and the earth cleansed.

There is no Scripture showing that the Sabbath was changed or transferred to Sunday.
Are you saying that the Ten Commandments have been done away with or just one of them?

 

[dlj57]

And you weren’t directing the words at me? Come on.

Sorry if I offended you was not my intention.

 

[rrcn]

There is no Scripture showing that the Sabbath was changed or transferred to Sunday.
Are you saying that the Ten Commandments have been done away with or just one of them?

Please read the post again, my statement should be clear.

 

[dlj57]

rrcn-

Please read the post again, my statement should be clear.

Do not make claims without scripture to back it up. I read you post again and there isn't nothing there but inarticulation.
Give the book, chapter and verse!

 

[dlj57]

Look up the Sabbath and look up Resurrection at BibleTools.org

 

[Aaron56]

You are in my prayers, God bless you.
"They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart." (Ephesians 4:18)

Only the greater can bless the lesser. You admit to being of the covenant that is obsolete.
Also, don't you have a drink offering to pour out somewhere?

 

[Dino246]

dino, the commandments are for all gentiles and jews, it is true that Jesus first preached to the Jews but not only to them, Jesus sent his disciples to everyone. Here is what peter says in acts;

Act 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

That is incorrect. The commandments (the Law) were given to the Israelites, not to the Gentiles. The verse you quoted is irrelevant.

The gospel was indeed given to all, but the Law was not.

 

[Dino246]

Sorry if I offended you was not my intention.

Perhaps next time you quote Scripture, add a few comments so your intentions are clear.

 

[Nehemiah6]

There is no Scripture showing that the Sabbath was changed or transferred to Sunday.

Once again you use the word "Sunday" instead of "the first day of the week". That is simply a straw man. The first day of the week is found in the NT, and it is the day of the resurrection of Christ. That should make a huge difference to you (and everyone else).

And there are TWO Scriptures which tell Christians that the Sabbath is not for the Church: (1) the Sabbath is now regarded as a shadow with God's full authority, and (2) the Lord's Day (Rev 1:10) is now the Christian Sabbath. And since the Bible is not a textbook, it doe not have to say anything more.

 

[dlj57]

In regard to Acts 13:42-44 (which SDA's often cite in an effort to make an argument for sabbath worship) Paul's work here was evangelism. Notice that these were "unbelievers" in Christ before Paul preached to them. Yes, they believed in the Jewish system, but the Bible says in Acts 14:1, that they BECAME believers proving Paul's work there was evangelism and not sabbath worship.

The Greeks were Jewish converts to Judaism known as proselytes. They practiced the law of Moses and kept the sabbath. The only Greeks that were in the synagogue would be these proselytes. These Greeks were not yet Christians. Acts 13:43 - "Now when the meeting of the synagogue had broken up, many of the Jews and of the God-fearing proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, were urging them to continue in the grace of God."

Acts 14:1 - "In Iconium they entered the synagogue of the Jews together and spoke in such a manner that a large number of people believed, both of Jews and of Greeks."

Acts 17:4 - "And some of them were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, along with a large number of the God-fearing Greeks and a number of the leading women.

Acts 18:4 - "And he was reasoning in the synagogue every Sabbath and trying to persuade Jews and Greeks."

The whole premise was that the Sabbath was for the Gentils as well as the Jews and you yourself just confirmed it.

 

[dlj57]

Once again you use the word "Sunday" instead of "the first day of the week". That is simply a straw man. The first day of the week is found in the NT, and it is the day of the resurrection of Christ. That should make a huge difference to you (and everyone else).

And there are TWO Scriptures which tell Christians that the Sabbath is not for the Church: (1) the Sabbath is now regarded as a shadow with God's full authority, and (2) the Lord's Day (Rev 1:10) is now the Christian Sabbath. And since the Bible is not a textbook, it doe not have to say anything more.

Where does it say in scripture that the Lord's Day is Sunday. The Lord's Day is only mentioned once in the Bible. "I was in the Spirt on the Lord's day and heard behind me a great voice as a trumpet" (Rev 1:10) It has nothing to do with Sunday, it is talking about being in the spirt on the Lord's Day the Sabbath the 7th day of the week. Those that misunderstand this try to apply it to the Sunday resurrection. Christ was resurrected on the 7th day of the week in the evening, just before sunset.

 

[dlj57]

Once again you use the word "Sunday" instead of "the first day of the week". That is simply a straw man. The first day of the week is found in the NT, and it is the day of the resurrection of Christ. That should make a huge difference to you (and everyone else).

And there are TWO Scriptures which tell Christians that the Sabbath is not for the Church: (1) the Sabbath is now regarded as a shadow with God's full authority, and (2) the Lord's Day (Rev 1:10) is now the Christian Sabbath. And since the Bible is not a textbook, it doe not have to say anything more.

The only references to the first day of the week in the NT was to do with fellowship, getting together to break bread and even preach the gospel. Preaching the gospel any day of the week which they did does not change the Sabbath.

 

[mailmandan]

The whole premise was that the Sabbath was for the Gentils as well as the Jews and you yourself just confirmed it.

Not at all. You completely missed my point.

 

[mailmandan]

Here is a summary of the history of the change of the Sabbath the seventh day to Sunday the first day of the week.
https://thechristianlife.com/catholic-church-says-to-have-changed-the-sabbath-to-sunday/

Hmm.. Here is an article that you may find helpful.

https://www.bible.ca/7-pope-changed.htm

 

[dlj57]

Hmm.. Here is an article that you may find helpful.

https://www.bible.ca/7-pope-changed.htm

your link says pope. (The Pope) Which is partially correct.
Once again, it started with the protestant reformation when the Gentile believers wanted to separate themselves from the Jews because they were being persecuted by the Romans, so the changed there day of worship from the Sabbath to Sunday. (Notice that they where observing the true Sabbath and they changed it, not God.)
Next was the King / Emperor Constine who worshiped the Sun. (Is where we get the term Sunday) Constine made the first law for mandatory Sunday worship, and actually forbid most Sabbath keeping.
Then came the Roman Catholic church who has formed Sunday worship into what it is today. They even say that the Sabbath hasn't been changed by scripture and that there is no bases for Sunday observance except by the authority of the Church.

Go look up the Sabbath at BibleTools.org