the Sabbath

[Dino246]

I don't know what your problem is... but you don't have a very nice Christian attitude. I'm 65 years old and have been studying for a very long time. I am not trying to offend you or anyone else. If you do not like my post Block me. If you have something to share I'm listening, just give me scripture to back it up and we can have a nice polite open discussion.
Have a beautiful Day, Love Danny

I accept that you aren't trying to offend anyone, and I appreciate your saying so. No, I'm often not "nice" but "nice" isn't a fruit of the Holy Spirit... despite what many Christians think. However, I will consider how I might be somewhat less abrasive.

We disagree on the matter of the Sabbath. As I (together with others) have dealt with several sabbatarians recently, we do get a bit tired of it, so when you come in saying essentially the same thing we've heard a dozen times, it might not surprise you that you don't get a warm reception for your ideas. So, please take the "not nice" attitude as aimed at your ideas, not you personally.

 

[dlj57]

I accept that you aren't trying to offend anyone, and I appreciate your saying so. No, I'm often not "nice" but "nice" isn't a fruit of the Holy Spirit... despite what many Christians think. However, I will consider how I might be somewhat less abrasive.

We disagree on the matter of the Sabbath. As I (together with others) have dealt with several sabbatarians recently, we do get a bit tired of it, so when you come in saying essentially the same thing we've heard a dozen times, it might not surprise you that you don't get a warm reception for your ideas. So, please take the "not nice" attitude as aimed at your ideas, not you personally.

Thank you
Yeh; Sabbatarians should always be capitalized ... lol
seriously, thanks for your reply.
I do truly believe we are living in the last days and want to reach as many people as we can.

 

[Soyeong]

The Ten Commandments have been with God from Creation and will be with us on the New Earth "... and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship me, saith the Lord." (Isaiah 66:23) Moses did not write the ten Commandments; they were given to him by God. The Ten Commandments are not part of the Law of Moses or any part of the old Mosaic Law. "Do not think that I come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them" (Matt 5:17) The Sabbath is mentioned 60 times in the NT alone and all have to do with the 7th day Sabbath but on which refences an annual Sabbath. God made the Sabbath for all mankind (Mark 2:27). Jesus kept it (Luke 4:16), Paul kept it (Acts 17:2), and Gentiles kept it (Acts 13:42-44; 16:13) Several of the Ten Commandments are mentioned throughout the New Testament. God only set one day apart from the rest and blessed it, sanctified it and blessed it and that would be the 7th day of the week not the first.

All of God's righteous laws are eternal (Psalms 119:160), not just ten of them, so they have all been with God from Creation. All of God's laws have the same moral authority regardless of whether God wrote them or God told Moses to write them (Deuteronomy 5:31-33). Moreover, the Law of Moses is described as the Law of God in verses like Nehemiah 8:1-8, Ezra 7:6-12, and Luke 2:22-23. The Law of Moses refers to all of the laws that God gave through Moses as a mediator, which includes the Ten Commandments. The phrase "Law and the Prophets" straightforwardly includes everything in the Law and the Prophets, not just the Ten Commandments. Jesus set a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law and we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked (1 John 2:6). In James 2:1-11, it speaks against the sin of favoritism, which is not listed in the Ten Commandments. I agree that we should obey God's command to keep the Sabbath holy in accordance with the example that Christ set for us to follow.

 

[dlj57]

And by the way, I kind of like being called a Sabbatarian. Seeing that I truly believe in the Sabbath it fits. Think I'm going to get a T-shirt made with that on it.
Love, Danny

 

[dlj57]

All of God's righteous laws are eternal (Psalms 119:160), not just ten of them, so they have all been with God from Creation. All of God's laws have the same moral authority regardless of whether God wrote them or God told Moses to write them (Deuteronomy 5:31-33). Moreover, the Law of Moses is described as the Law of God in verses like Nehemiah 8:1-8, Ezra 7:6-12, and Luke 2:22-23. The Law of Moses refers to all of the laws that God gave through Moses as a mediator, which includes the Ten Commandments. The phrase "Law and the Prophets" straightforwardly includes everything in the Law and the Prophets, not just the Ten Commandments. Jesus set a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law and we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked (1 John 2:6). In James 2:1-11, it speaks against the sin of favoritism, which is not listed in the Ten Commandments. I agree that we should obey God's command to keep the Sabbath holy in accordance with the example that Christ set for us to follow.

I do not disagree with any particular point. But when I talk about keeping the Sabbath Holy, I am also saying that organized Sunday worship or claiming that Sunday is the new Christian Sabbath is NOT Biblical, it is a counterfeit, a golden calf and goes against scripture and against God.

 

[Aaron56]

If I took something out of context, please let me know what it was so I can clarify it.
Thanx Danny

You're unable to do that. The Law makes one blind to the new covenant. You first have to renounce Sabbath keeping as a certain special day then you'll be able to see.

 

[Dino246]

I do not disagree with any particular point. But when I talk about keeping the Sabbath Holy, I am also saying that organized Sunday worship or claiming that Sunday is the new Christian Sabbath is NOT Biblical, it is a counterfeit, a golden calf and goes against scripture and against God.

I suggest you separate those issues.

I agree that Scripture does not support the idea that 'Sunday' is the Christian Sabbath. I don't agree with Sunday worship is a 'counterfeit'. God is worthy of being worshiped every day, so it's not "wrong" to worship Him on 'Sunday'. I hold that for the Christian, Jesus is our Sabbath, rather than a particular day being a 'Sabbath'. Our rest is in Him, not 'on' a day.

 

[dlj57]

I suggest you separate those issues.

I agree that Scripture does not support the idea that 'Sunday' is the Christian Sabbath. I don't agree with Sunday worship is a 'counterfeit'. God is worthy of being worshiped every day, so it's not "wrong" to worship Him on 'Sunday'. I hold that for the Christian, Jesus is our Sabbath, rather than a particular day being a 'Sabbath'. Our rest is in Him, not 'on' a day.

I agree that we worship God every day of the week even Sundays, but that by no means that Sunday is the day we should go to church in recognition of the Sabbath. With the history of where Sunday worship came from and not being supported by scripture, I do call it a counterfeit. In the end time we are warned about a one world government, one world currency and a one world religion (that will be forced Sunday observance)

 

[dlj57]

You're unable to do that. The Law makes one blind to the new covenant. You first have to renounce Sabbath keeping as a certain special day then you'll be able to see.

Everyone keeps saying Jesus is our rest and I agree 100%, look up the meaning of rest in reference to the Scriptures, it means Sabbath keeping (Hebrews 4:9-10)
"He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his Commandments, is a liar and the truth is not in him" (1 John 2:4)
" And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men." (Matt 15:9)
" We ought to obey God rather than man" (Acts 5:29)
" I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds, I will write them. " (Hebrews 10:16)
"...to change times and law..." (Daniel 7:25)
"Therefore, the law is holy and the commandment holy and just and good." (Romans 7:12)
"...I have kept My Father's commandments." (John 15:10)
This is all in the NT and there are many, many more. God plainly tells us to keep his commandments and to keep the Sabbath.

 

[Dino246]

I agree that we worship God every day of the week even Sundays, but that by no means that Sunday is the day we should go to church in recognition of the Sabbath. With the history of where Sunday worship came from and not being supported by scripture, I do call it a counterfeit. In the end time we are warned about a one world government, one world currency and a one world religion (that will be forced Sunday observance)

Who said anything about Sunday worship being ‘in recognition of the Sabbath’?

 

[dlj57]

Everyone keeps saying Jesus is our rest and I agree 100%, look up the meaning of rest in reference to the Scriptures, it means Sabbath keeping (Hebrews 4:9-10)
"He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his Commandments, is a liar and the truth is not in him" (1 John 2:4)
" And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men." (Matt 15:9)
" We ought to obey God rather than man" (Acts 5:29)
" I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds, I will write them. " (Hebrews 10:16)
"...to change times and law..." (Daniel 7:25)
"Therefore, the law is holy and the commandment holy and just and good." (Romans 7:12)
"...I have kept My Father's commandments." (John 15:10)
This is all in the NT and there are many, many more. God plainly tells us to keep his commandments and to keep the Sabbath.

And I would never renounce any part of the Lord's word and defiantly not the 4th Commandment, which is the only commandment he blessed and sanctified. The only Commandment he set apart from every other day of the week.>

 

[dlj57]

Who said anything about Sunday worship being ‘in recognition of the Sabbath’?

There is a post where an individual actually stated that the Christian Sabbath was changed from the 7th day of the week to Sunday!

 

[dlj57]

All of God's righteous laws are eternal (Psalms 119:160), not just ten of them, so they have all been with God from Creation. All of God's laws have the same moral authority regardless of whether God wrote them or God told Moses to write them (Deuteronomy 5:31-33). Moreover, the Law of Moses is described as the Law of God in verses like Nehemiah 8:1-8, Ezra 7:6-12, and Luke 2:22-23. The Law of Moses refers to all of the laws that God gave through Moses as a mediator, which includes the Ten Commandments. The phrase "Law and the Prophets" straightforwardly includes everything in the Law and the Prophets, not just the Ten Commandments. Jesus set a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law and we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked (1 John 2:6). In James 2:1-11, it speaks against the sin of favoritism, which is not listed in the Ten Commandments. I agree that we should obey God's command to keep the Sabbath holy in accordance with the example that Christ set for us to follow.

So, you are saying that we must still give sacrifices. Once Christ died on the cross, he was our lamb, and freed us from the old mosaic laws but that did not abolish the Ten Commandments that are mentioned throughout the NT>

 

[dlj57]

So, you are saying that we must still give sacrifices. Once Christ died on the cross, he was our lamb, and freed us from the old mosaic laws but that did not abolish the Ten Commandments that are mentioned throughout the NT>

You quoted (James 2:1-11) KJV doesn't say anything about favoritism. It is in reference to the 2nd Commandment, v.8 "...Thou shalt love thy neighbor..."

 

[dlj57]

I agree that we worship God every day of the week even Sundays, but that by no means that Sunday is the day we should go to church in recognition of the Sabbath. With the history of where Sunday worship came from and not being supported by scripture, I do call it a counterfeit. In the end time we are warned about a one world government, one world currency and a one world religion (that will be forced Sunday observance)

Did you see the post on Jesus being out rest. I suggest you look it up, as it pertains to scripture rest literarily means Sabbath keeping.

 

[Dino246]

There is a post where an individual actually stated that the Christian Sabbath was changed from the 7th day of the week to Sunday!

What one person says is not necessarily representative of what most Christians believe.

 

[Nehemiah6]

There is a post where an individual actually stated that the Christian Sabbath was changed from the 7th day of the week to Sunday!

And you think that is incorrect? You actually think that the day of the resurrection of Christ (which only happens to be called "Sunday" but is in fact called "the first day of the week" and "the morrow after the Sabbath") means absolutely nothing? Yes, indeed, the requirements of the 7th day Sabbath were transferred to the first day of the week (and it is there in the NT). and "Sunday" means nothing (other than to Sabbatarians, who have made a big deal out of this).

Seventh Day Adventists have created a false bogeyman about worshipping on Sunday being the same as taking the Mark of the Beast. That is utter nonsense. And that the pope and/or the papacy are "the Antichrist" (which is more nonsense). But those who follow Ellen G. White cannot possibly see how wrong she was (in many areas). So why are SDAs not found in Jewish synagogues on the 7th day of the week?

 

[dlj57]

And you think that is incorrect? You actually think that the day of the resurrection of Christ (which only happens to be called "Sunday" but is in fact called "the first day of the week" and "the morrow after the Sabbath") means absolutely nothing? Yes, indeed, the requirements of the 7th day Sabbath were transferred to the first day of the week (and it is there in the NT). and "Sunday" means nothing (other than to Sabbatarians, who have made a big deal out of this).

Seventh Day Adventists have created a false bogeyman about worshipping on Sunday being the same as taking the Mark of the Beast. That is utter nonsense. And that the pope and/or the papacy are "the Antichrist" (which is more nonsense). But those who follow Ellen G. White cannot possibly see how wrong she was (in many areas). So why are SDAs not found in Jewish synagogues on the 7th day of the week?

Where in Scripture was the Sabbath transferred to the first day of the week? I am a 7th Day Baptist. Sunday keeping Christians are following the traditions of men and the Roman Catholic Church. Why are we told to follow the commandments so many times in the NT. Are you saying that they all stayed the same and God changed his mind on one, the 4th Commandment? That is not scripture.
"He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his Commandments, is a liar and the truth is not in him" (1 John 2:4)
" And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men." (Matt 15:9)
" We ought to obey God rather than man" (Acts 5:29)
" I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds, I will write them. " (Hebrews 10:16)
"...to change times and law..." (Daniel 7:25)
"Therefore, the law is holy and the commandment holy and just and good." (Romans 7:12)
"...I have kept My Father's commandments." (John 15:10)
This is all in the NT and there are many, many more. God plainly tells us to keep his commandments and to keep the Sabbath which is part of the Commandments.
It is ridicules to suggest that he changed just one of them.

 

[dlj57]

And you think that is incorrect? You actually think that the day of the resurrection of Christ (which only happens to be called "Sunday" but is in fact called "the first day of the week" and "the morrow after the Sabbath") means absolutely nothing? Yes, indeed, the requirements of the 7th day Sabbath were transferred to the first day of the week (and it is there in the NT). and "Sunday" means nothing (other than to Sabbatarians, who have made a big deal out of this).

Seventh Day Adventists have created a false bogeyman about worshipping on Sunday being the same as taking the Mark of the Beast. That is utter nonsense. And that the pope and/or the papacy are "the Antichrist" (which is more nonsense). But those who follow Ellen G. White cannot possibly see how wrong she was (in many areas). So why are SDAs not found in Jewish synagogues on the 7th day of the week?

Burial - Matt 27:57 "as evening approached", Mark 15:42 "It was Preparation Day (The Next day was a high day, an annual Sabbath) So as evening approached", Luke 23:54 "It was Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was about to begin", (Same reference to the High Day or annual Sabbath not the weekly 7th day Sabbath.) John 19:42 "Because it was the Jewish Day of Preparation..." Jesus was buried as evening approached before the next day began, because it was a High Day an annual Sabbath.

Resurrection - Matt 28:1-6 (1) ... at dawn on the first day of the week (6) He is not here he has risen (this statement is in the past tense, already done. It does not imply he rose Sunday morning.) Mark 16: 1-6 (6)"...He has risen" (States the same thing, past tense already done.) Luke 24:1-6 (6)"He is not here, but is risen ... " (States the same thing, past tense) John 20:1-16 (1) Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark (all the information given in John)

Q. If Crist was buried in the evening just before sunset and for exactly 3 days (72hrs) how did he rise in the morning?

Christ was place in the tomb on the 4th day of the week in the evening just before sunset because the following day was a High Day / Annual Sabbath. So, three full days would put his Resurrection on the 7th day in the evening just before sunset and the new day Sunday started. This is the way Scripture lays it out!

 

[Aaron56]

Everyone keeps saying Jesus is our rest and I agree 100%, look up the meaning of rest in reference to the Scriptures, it means Sabbath keeping (Hebrews 4:9-10)
"He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his Commandments, is a liar and the truth is not in him" (1 John 2:4)
" And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men." (Matt 15:9)
" We ought to obey God rather than man" (Acts 5:29)
" I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds, I will write them. " (Hebrews 10:16)
"...to change times and law..." (Daniel 7:25)
"Therefore, the law is holy and the commandment holy and just and good." (Romans 7:12)
"...I have kept My Father's commandments." (John 15:10)
This is all in the NT and there are many, many more. God plainly tells us to keep his commandments and to keep the Sabbath.

Sabbath used to be 1 day out of seven. Now Sabbath rest is 100% of the time.

Priests of God used to be from 1 tribe out of 12. Now priests are all God's children.

In the old covenant, people were slaves to God because of failure. In the New covenant people are slaves to God by choice.

In the old covenant Laws were written in stone and in books. It constrained the reader. In the new covenant the nature of man is changed in the presence of the Spirit of God. The standard for God and man is the same.

You can't see that His commandments come now by the revelation of Spirit, moment by moment. That is what "being led by the Spirit" means. To be stuck in the book as another set of rules is to be stuck in neutral, or worse. Let the book confirm the Spirit.

Man lives by the word of God that comes continually from His mouth. We are given the Spirit to hear Him.