"The rich man And Lazarus..."
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I see the relevance of having faith in the death of Christ atoning for our sin when we accept our own death in Him and that, having faith in His resurrection, in Him we are also raised to eternal life never to die again, as He is, so are we. That is the result of having faith in Christ. I can't follow the logic that everyone gets resurrected to life with the only difference being the sensations being felt, just because it is recategorized as a second death. Everyone goes on and on about speaking plainly but then redefine death and an allegory of an existence, which is otherwise known as "being' or life, of torture.
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Another parable. I mean, Jesus doesn’t want us to gouge our eyes out or chop our hands off. I hope you know that. Plus the logical conclusion is that if by dismembering ourselves was a valid path to the kingdom or God then we wouldn’t stop at our eyes and hands, but would have to go for the legs, arms, and the entire body.
So what’s your point?
So what’s your point?
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Biblical death isn't necessarily the termination of one's existence, rather, it's
more often a phase of one's existence.
For example: God told Adam he would die from tasting the forbidden fruit--
he would did the very day, not later. Well; Adam didn't pass away until
something like 800 years after the birth of his son Seth-- a birth which took
place after Adam tasted the fruit.
The thing is: Adam was created in the image of God, i.e. he was created with
immortality.
Adam's penalty for tasting the fruit was his loss of immortality, i.e. Adam's body
became infected with mortality, which is a lingering death rather than instant death.
Mortality is slow, but relentless. It feels neither pain nor pity, nor remorse nor fear;
it cannot be reasoned with nor can it be bargained with, and it absolutely will not
stop-- ever! --until your body becomes so broken down that it cannot continue.
There is another death that's not so obvious. Jesus spoke of it at John 5:24
where he says:
"I assure you: those who listen to my message and believe in God who sent
me have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins, but they
have already passed from death into life.
There's quite a bit of debate over the nature of the death spoken of in that
passage but suffice it to say that its victims are dead to God, i.e. cursed,
alienated, estranged, shunned, and disconnected. This is an interesting kind
of death because there are folks at large religious to the bone who are dead
to God and don't know it.
There is yet another death. This one is a classification consisting of
everything imaginable that's distasteful and/or offensive to God that He
wants out of His sight; and it's all slated for permanent disposal in a lake of
brimstone. (Rev 20:14)
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Biblical death isn't necessarily the termination of one's existence, rather, it's
more often a phase of one's existence.
For example: God told Adam he would die from tasting the forbidden fruit--
he would did the very day, not later. Well; Adam didn't pass away until
something like 800 years after the birth of his son Seth-- a birth which took
place after Adam tasted the fruit.
The thing is: Adam was created in the image of God, i.e. he was created with
immortality.
Adam's penalty for tasting the fruit was his loss of immortality, i.e. Adam's body
became infected with mortality, which is a lingering death rather than instant death.
Mortality is slow, but relentless. It feels neither pain nor pity, nor remorse nor fear;
it cannot be reasoned with nor can it be bargained with, and it absolutely will not
stop-- ever! --until your body becomes so broken down that it cannot continue.
There is another death that's not so obvious. Jesus spoke of it at John 5:24
where he says:
"I assure you: those who listen to my message and believe in God who sent
me have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins, but they
have already passed from death into life.
There's quite a bit of debate over the nature of the death spoken of in that
passage but suffice it to say that its victims are dead to God, i.e. cursed,
alienated, estranged, shunned, and disconnected. This is an interesting kind
of death because there are folks at large religious to the bone who are dead
to God and don't know it.
There is yet another death. This one is a classification consisting of
everything imaginable that's distasteful and/or offensive to God that He
wants out of His sight; and it's all slated for permanent disposal in a lake of
brimstone. (Rev 20:14)
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