So, yeah, there WILL be "believers" IN/DURING/WITHIN the trib yrs (who will have come to faith FOLLOWING "our Rapture")!!
The Return of Yeshua in the Year 6,000 From Creation and How Many Years Are Left
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We disagree on this point so the rest just follows suit.
What *WE* are told (re: US / 'the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY'), by contrast, is:
"... in order that WHETHER WE MAY WATCH [G1127 - gregoromen] *OR* WHETHER WE MAY SLEEP [G2518 - katheudōmen (DIFFERENT word and meaning from that of chpt 4!! NOT meaning "DEATH/DIED" in this context!)] [same two words as in v.6 of THIS *context*], we should live together WITH [G4862 - UNIONed-WITH] HIM" 1Th5:10
(which is entirely DISTINCT from that of the Olivet Discourse and its parallels [which we were just discussing--esp re: "watch [G1127]"]!!)
Of course, when Rev. 8 says a mountain is cast into the sea, we are going to know it ahead of time with all of the deep space Hubble like telescopes. That is secretly why Trump created the Space Force. They know the danger. And the area it would hit (just off the California coast) matches where it needs to hit in two ways.So you think that the sign in the sky will be physical signs?
Interesting
Joe Amaral had the same kind of view about the birth of Christ. It is very possible that it could be physical signs.
1.) This couldn't hit around Europe or there would/could be no battle of Armageddon, the tidal wave is going to be 100s of feet high, the nuclear fall out is going to be devastating, the Scientists say a space rock over 300 yards wide like this would be like putting all the nuclear bombs in the world in one place and setting them off !! (WORMWOOD......Rev. 8)
2,) God gave us the CLUE when he said 1/3 of the Seas, 1/3 of the fish, 1/3 of the ships etc. etc. are destroyed, I think it a road map of clues, 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 1/3 gives us the destination of the event. The Pacific Ocean has 1/3 of all the water on earth, and the two Americas combined have 1/3 of the total landmass on earth. The 1/3 is a clue as per to where this Mountain is going to be cast into the Sea more than it is of how many sea creatures will actually die, the body of water that has 1/3 of all the sea creatures is hit, etc. etc.
The closer it gets, the more these people panic, especially after the Rapture, which they are told is like a billion people just dying from a pandemic. Our bodies do not go to heaven, sin flesh cannot enter heaven, we go as Spirit men.
[EDIT to add to my last post, Post #43 @Blackpowderduelist ] ... but keep "setting your mind" on Israel's earthly things, if you so wish... 
The End will come to this earth 1000 years after Jesus starts his reign on earth, once we get a new earth, this earth, IMHO, will be hell. Satan wins his prize in the end.
We know what the end will be like by reading the bible. We know we are in the end now by reading the bible. Israel will be QUICKENED at the VEREY END, the bible tells us that in Ezekiel chapters 36-38 brother. We know what the signs of the end are by reading the bible, seeing the ACCEPTANCE OF SIN as normal is one sign, they will call good evil and evil good. The clues are there unless we just ignore them. Let's see, for ONE MAN to be able to have that power to not allow others to buy or sell, was that around 25-30 years ago? No, but is it possible now? Yes, of course, it is, we are all interconnected now, they spy on you through facebook, twitter, Instagram, they can and will shut down everything they deem as UNWOKE very soon. We have satellites that can see what brand of cigarettes someone is smoking from space. We have digital money, we have governments run by socialists who just TAKE Elections even when they lose.
AND, we have an asteroid pummeling our way in 2029. You do the math.
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Huh? I don't know how disagreement about escatology makes one guilty of having a mind set on earthly things.[EDIT to add to my last post, Post #43 @Blackpowderduelist ] ... but keep "setting your mind" on Israel's earthly things, if you so wish...
I think that type of accusation follows the pattern set by Sal Alinski's rules for radicals, and is at best fleshly but is generally just as its originator; satanic.
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Not so ironically, John Nelson Darby, founder of dispensationalism, also resorted to insult and harsh treatment of those who disagreed with him, so he joins the ranks of Alinski engaging in rules for radicals before the book was even written.
Huh? I don't know how disagreement about escatology makes one guilty of having a mind set on earthly things.TheDivineWatermark said:
[EDIT to add to my last post, Post #43 @Blackpowderduelist ] ... but keep "setting your mind" on Israel's earthly things, if you so wish...
I think that type of accusation follows the pattern set by Sal Alinski's rules for radicals, and is at best fleshly but is generally just as its originator; satanic.
I was mentioning that because of the earlier convo, where I pointed out, the Olivet Discourse (and parallels) Jesus is NOT covering the Subject of "our Rapture" AT ALL, but rather, of His Second Coming to the earth FOR the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom commencing upon His "RETURN" to the earth (Rev19).
Up to the time Jesus spoke His Olivet Discourse [and its parallels] (and His response throughout it [i.e. both chpts 24 & 25]), He had NOT YET spoken ANYTHING regarding the Subject of "our Rapture," but everything pertaining to His Second Coming to the earth.
Everything in Matthew 24 is speaking of events (and persons) FOLLOWING "our Rapture"; and in fact "our Rapture" [which is HIS DOING, we are passive recipients in that "snatch-action"] is a PRIMARY IMPETUS that helps Israel turn to and come to faith in their Messiah (Jesus Christ).
When they do come to faith (while on the earth IN/DURING/WITHIN the trib years), THEY will never "lift off" the earth (as "Rapture [IN THE AIR]" does NOT pertain to them!), but they [if they survive throughout the trib yrs, like Dan12:12, and many other passages] will still be located on the earth upon His "RETURN" there--with Matt24:29-31 ("GREAT trumpet") paralleling Isaiah 27:12-13:
12 In that day the LORD will thresh from the flowing Euphrates to the Wadi of Egypt, and you, O Israelites, will be gathered one by one. 13 And in that day a great trumpet will sound, and those who were perishing in Assyria will come forth with those who were exiles in Egypt. And they will worship the LORD in the holy mountain at Jerusalem. [same as Isa24:21-23]
It is to Israel that these "earthly" things were promised, not to "the Church which is His body" (ALL those saved "in this present age [singular]"); and we see this in both their Q of Jesus (after having spent some "40 days" with Him POST-resurrection speaking to them about that very issue, and His response to their Q of Him there in Acts 1:6 which had to do with its TIMING, not its NATURE which aspect they understood correctly), and in Peter's words to "ye men of Israel" in Acts 3:21, "whom indeed it behooves heaven to receive until the times of restoration OF ALL THINGS OF WHICH GOD SPOKE BY the mouth of His holy prophets from the age."
[by contrast (said to/for/about us/the Church which is His body), "For our citizenship is in the heavens, whence also a Saviour we await -- the Lord Jesus Christ" Phil3:20 (and other such like passages)]
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So until 1800 the church was wrong, and John nelson darby set it right? I find that preposterous.
The triumph of the processional return of Messiah!
One of the most enduring prophecies in Biblical literature. And the most exciting time in human history.
But nothing sells books quite as well as the message of an entitled "church" with it's own special 1.5 return of Jesus
& a party in heaven while everyone else suffers.
Who's talking about "John Nelson Darby"? I've not mentioned him at any point.
What I'm talking about is (like I responded in my Post #37 - https://christianchat.com/threads/t...d-how-many-years-are-left.197122/post-4480340 ), regarding the verses *you've* brought up, like Matt24:44[43,42] / Lk12:40[39,36], where it talks about "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding" [i.e. as an ALREADY-WED Bridegroom], THEN the meal [G347]
... NOT one who is coming/returning (at that point in the chronology) "TO BE wed"... but let me guess, you see no problem with Jesus coming with an intention of MARRYING "10 VirginS [or even the 5 wise VirginS (PLURAL)]" [per the parable in Matt25--Olivet Discourse]
...because you see no problem at all with that story, right? The "bride/wife [singular (Rev19:7)]" becoming "5 WIVES [PLURAL]" which He'll be MARRYING [per the parable, *according to you*], right?? (
)Can you explain this?
(I'm going to guess you're among those who've argued that having multiple wives is what God/Jesus had in mind "from the beginning," right? Adam and his "5 or 10 Women / Eves"?)
^ Besides, look how *early* PETER got something wrong and spread it all over town that way:
20 Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee? 21 Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do? 22 Jesus saith unto him [unto PETER], If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me. 23 Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? [at the scene which had been "the third time Jesus shewed Himself to His disciples after that He was risen from the dead" John 21]
20 Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee? 21 Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do? 22 Jesus saith unto him [unto PETER], If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me. 23 Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? [at the scene which had been "the third time Jesus shewed Himself to His disciples after that He was risen from the dead" John 21]
But nothing sells books quite as well as the message of an entitled "church" with it's own special 1.5 return of Jesus
& a party in heaven while everyone else suffers.
You've got it a bit "twisted" there (in your explanation ^ ), but even aside from that flaw, it is not really the case as you've stated it ^ because volume-wise, MANY more books are sold which [incorrectly] INSERT [us/]themselves INTO Israel's role, and thus USURP Israel's rewards taking them UNTO THEMSELVES, and they have no problem at all in doing so. (
)[biblically, Jesus only "RETURNS" *ONCE*... and that is, "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding"... as an ALREADY-WED Bridegroom, not TO MARRY *MULTIPLE* VirginS!!
And the "FESTIVITIES/FEAST/SUPPER" takes place THEN, upon His "RETURN" to the earth, NOT UP IN HEAVEN... we've covered that before in past posts... yet you continue to repeat that falsehood (in order to slander, I suppose)... *sigh*]
Stop shouting. You are wasting your breath.You've got it a bit "twisted" there (in your explanation ^ ), but even aside from that flaw, it is not really the case as you've stated it ^ because volume-wise, MANY more books are sold which [incorrectly] INSERT [us/]themselves INTO Israel's role, and thus USURP Israel's rewards taking them UNTO THEMSELVES, and they have no problem at all in doing so. (
[biblically, Jesus only "RETURNS" *ONCE*... and that is, "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding"... as an ALREADY-WED Bridegroom, not TO MARRY *MULTIPLE* VirginS!!
I don't read your cluttered, babbling posts.
I've stated before (a number of times) that I used "caps" for emphasis only (and usually for singular words or phrases that are oft-missed when reading)... but believe what you wish about it.
[I could see why one might think "SHOUTING" if the entire thing or the majority were in "caps"... but mine are not... but oh well...]
Well, you *had* acknowledged *one point* of mine in the past, about "the wedding FEAST/SUPPER/FESTIVITIES" being *on the earth* (aka the earthly MK age), but... I guess now I can see why you've overlooked most of the points I've been making, and you continue to repeat the same things (even repeating this one falsity about pre-tribbers' position supposedly being: "partying up in heaven"), even though already having been addressed...
Entirely your choice. But it doesn't make much for/of a "discussion"...
Notice what Genesis 1 had to say about "the FOURTH day" (i.e. when Jesus [as "THE LIGHT of the world"] came to earth at His First Advent--4000-yr-mark, approx):
The Fourth Day
14 And God said, “Let there be lights [plural] [*first mention* of this particular Hebrew word, in the text--H3974] in the expanse of the sky to distinguish between the day and the night, and let them be signs to mark the seasons and days and years. 15 And let them serve as lights in the expanse of the sky to shine upon the earth.” And it was so.
16 God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night. And He made the stars as well.
17 God set these lights in the expanse of the sky to shine upon the earth, 18 to preside over the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good.
19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.
["I am God... DECLARING the END... FROM the BEGINNING" Isaiah 46:9,10]
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[I wonder... is the OP occupied elsewhere??]
He came in, stirred the pot, ignited controversy and division between believers, and likely stepped back to be entertained by the spitshow he created.
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