The remnant
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For starters, it is a very, very small group of Righteous, Holy people who have received Spiritual Circumcision of Heart. Any person who is still under the Adamic Curse cannot be considered to belong to this Holy Vine of Christ.
“Here!” Reporting for duty, sir!”
Just a few of us left but, we’re all here!It’s NOT over till I die! Every breathe is HIS!
The Israel that I have in mind, is Jacob, whom God changed his name to be no more called, Jacob, but to be called Israel.(Gen 32:28).
Jacob as Israel does not represent the whole nation of Israel, but represents the elect of God (Rom 9:11)
The remnant of Israel (Jacob) is a very small group of the elect that are given the knowledge of Christ's completed work on the cross..(Rom 10:1-3).
Isaiah 10:20-22 - And it shall come to pass in that day, the remnant of Israel (Jacob) and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more stay upon him that smote them, but shall stay upon the LORD, the holy one of Israel, in truth. The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob unto the mighty God. For though thy people Israel (Jacob) be as the sand of the sea, yet a remnant of them shall return.
Zph 3:13 - The remnant of Israel (Jacob) shall not do iniquity, nor speak lies, neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth, and none shall make them afraid.
I believe the scriptures to teach that all of the people that are of Jacob, as Israel, have received Spiritual Circumcision of the heart.
“Here!” Reporting for duty, sir!”
It’s NOT over till I die! Every breathe is HIS!
Then, do you believe that all believers are the remnant?
it’s those who accepted the gospel when the lord came most of israel did this
“But Pilate answered them, saying, Will ye that I release unto you the King of the Jews? For he knew that the chief priests had delivered him for envy. But the chief priests moved the people, that he should rather release Barabbas unto them. And Pilate answered and said again unto them, What will ye then that I shall do unto him whom ye call the King of the Jews? And they cried out again, Crucify him. Then Pilate said unto them, Why, what evil hath he done? And they cried out the more exceedingly, Crucify him.”
Mark 15:9-14 KJV
but a remnant believed and then we’re sent out from Jerusalem with the message of Jesus Christ
The remnant of israel had accepted Christ and then soon after many others converted to belief of the gospel. The original church is the remnant of israel prophecies fulfilled
“And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey. And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphæus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James. These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.”
Acts 1:10-14 KJV
anyone who accepted Christ before ad 67-70 destruction of Jerusalem is the remnant who was spared remember the gospel is the fulfillment of ot prophecy all of those mysteries are answered on the New Testament
when God began promising israel the messiah , he was also announcing judgement on them , he was going to destroy Jerusalem but would spare a remnant and cleanse them and make them honorable
the church is that remnant made new
I hear what you're saying, however, the below two verses might be of assistance. Let me know what you think, for if I am wrong I must be corrected (hopefully with Scripture).
Thank you!
Wow, I haven't heard that before nor have I found Scripture to support it. But the two verses that I just posted should also apply in terms of what a True Jew is . . . a person whose unregenerated Heart has been Regenerated by the Circumcision of Christ.
Really? Millions of Jews accepted Christ two thousand years ago? Wow. I haven't seen the Scripture that makes that clear. But, if the Scriptures support it, I'll accept and believe it!
Really? Millions of Jews accepted Christ two thousand years ago? Wow. I haven't seen the Scripture that makes that clear. But, if the Scriptures support it, I'll accept and believe it!
that’s not sarcasm is it brother ?
as I made clear any israelite who repents and accepts Jesus is the messiah like any gentile who repents and accepts Jesus the same will be saved
and yes what I’m saying is it’s only because of Israel’s mass rejection of the messiah ( when he came to fulfill his word ) that the gentiles are included.
of scripture doesn’t make that clear maybe it’s just something your not able to hear ? Try this parable but really think bout what he’s trying to say to the authorities of Moses law over Israel just consider this it’s the lord
“Hear another parable:
There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:
and when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it. And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another. ( Elijah and the early prophets )
Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise. ( latter messianic prophets )
But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.
But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.
When the Lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, The same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord's doing, And it is marvellous in our eyes?
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you,
and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
Matthew 21:33-43 KJV
that new nation is anyone from any nation who hears and believes the gospel of Jesus Christ is all I’m getting at , and israel had to reject him in order for God to gather all nations together in him
if God cared about the flesh and blood of a man who all have sinned in the flesh , no one would ever be saved it’s the spirit that comes when person believes the gospel the spirit Jesus promises believes in his own words.
That is to be born into that new nation but it had to be taken from those who broke the covenant in order to give it freely to every man no matter his bloodline , but according only to his faith in Jesus Christ.
God warned israel for thousands of years and they wouldn’t repent that makes up about a third of the Old Testament
Gods words of warning To mankind are as important as his word of blessing
that’s not sarcasm is it brother ?
No sir . . . not at all.
I am eager to change my beliefs if those that I currently hold are in error. When I realized in the past that I was wrong about doctrine, I would break out in a cold sweat. I would get lightheaded . . . close to trembling with fear. The thought of my "teaching" a person (or a large audience like those able to view this site!) is a horrific thought.
So yes . . . I am desperate to change my views if I am in error. The idea of being in Biblical error is frightening. My mind is open to all ideas. I will consider virtually anything from anyone . . . as long as respect and honor to one another are achievable.
No sir . . . not at all.
I am eager to change my beliefs if those that I currently hold are in error. When I realized in the past that I was wrong about doctrine, I would break out in a cold sweat. I would get lightheaded . . . close to trembling with fear. The thought of my "teaching" a person (or a large audience like those able to view this site!) is a horrific thought.
So yes . . . I am desperate to change my views if I am in error. The idea of being in Biblical error is frightening. My mind is open to all ideas. I will consider virtually anything from anyone . . . as long as respect and honor to one another are achievable.
because of your heart to know and correct your own belief brother , God is with you ask him about things and then search the prophets and you will be able to find that correction and edification
that hunger is perfect follow it prayerfully and God will teach you all things even if we’re all at different stages that will work for us so we only know what we know and only are accountable for what we really understand personally
the truth is in us all and the gospel is our guide to begin hearing I’m certainly also no teacher just a guy seeking truth like you
Perfectly timed of you to say. The below verse was thrown into my lap when searching for the two words of "control" and "life."
Proverbs 13:3 NLT - "Those who control their tongue will have a long life; opening your mouth can ruin everything."
Just yesterday I was on my hands and knees not only asking, but begging the Lord to take control and cause me to "learn" to remain silent. I hate this about myself, which is that being overly communicative seems to be the "thing" that causes such an issue with some.
Maybe this is taking away from what you wrote, I hope not . . . I come to this forum instead of going to commentaries. I would much rather attempt to communicate with a real person here instead of reading digits on a page or screen from a so-called "scholar."
No sir . . . not at all.
I am eager to change my beliefs if those that I currently hold are in error. When I realized in the past that I was wrong about doctrine, I would break out in a cold sweat. I would get lightheaded . . . close to trembling with fear. The thought of my "teaching" a person (or a large audience like those able to view this site!) is a horrific thought.
So yes . . . I am desperate to change my views if I am in error. The idea of being in Biblical error is frightening. My mind is open to all ideas. I will consider virtually anything from anyone . . . as long as respect and honor to one another are achievable.
yeah brother I think we all have different values different strengths in Christ none of us know everything we’re meant to learn as we go I’m not sure your age , but ten years ago , you probably wouldn’t have understood the deep truth you do now , before that ten years you wouldn’t have understood what you did then
it’s exactly like life when your a youngin you only know so much there’s only so much expected of toddlers , then they grow a little and learn and then the parents expectation grows for them as they grow thier understanding of life grows
it’s a process that works by faith , then when we come together we can just share and receive from one another and keep the things hat make sense to us and grow a bit and let the thkngs that don’t make sense use on by
lol as far as how much one talks , seems to be rebukes for the forum set in place. And yeah some folks want four sentance explaination and nothing more others want to discuss things who often takes a few words if you aren’t that articulate and concise
we are all a little different in how we learn , what we say ect but that’s the design Paul writes differently than Peter but they say the same things John writes differently from both but they are all saying the same things Peter is short winded to the point like this
“For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously: who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.”
1 Peter 2:21-25 KJV
Paul writes entire letters expressing this point paul gets into more of the “ hows and why’s “ of Christ dying for our sins so it takes paul more words he’s not just saying a statement but explaining the statement and how it applies
my point is brother anytime you have something to share you should freely , ( I’ve found a lot of things in your posts to help me understand some things better, this of course doesn’t mean we’re going to agree on everything we discuss or talk about , but that doesn’t mean we can’t find the value and let the thkngs that don’t make sense go , which is what I personally do if it makes sense to me I keep it , if it doesn’t I let it slide for now till it does
but how one says something or how many words they use , I don’t care either way because we are all a bit different in those ways
it’s just that we shouldn’t “ teach “ everyone else as if they don’t have something they can also teach us because they always do this is the same for you , me , or anyone else who’s truly pursuing Gods mind and heart
I myself am not worthy nor young enough anymore to lead and teach anyone , but I am able to share things I’ve learned from the Bible with anyone and everyone who wants to hear and consider it. And also those who don’t I feel as if they could easily find other posts they would want to consider or make thier own for others to consider
I hope you don’t keep too silent you have a lot of biblical knowledge that’s appreciated by at least one person and I’m sure others who’ve taken time to read some of those things
Anyways brother yeah I’m pretty much just who and what I am at this point in life just trying to finish out the journey
I hear what you're saying, however, the below two verses might be of assistance. Let me know what you think, for if I am wrong I must be corrected (hopefully with Scripture).
Thank you!
What two verses?
I look at the house of Jacob as all of Israel, 12 tribes, for all 12 tribes came from his sons.
A remnant means that they will be few in number at the time God brings the Hebrews back to Israel.
A few in number compared to how big they were before that time.
Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
The disciples did not ask if Jesus would restore the kingdom to a remnant but to Israel as a whole nation.
Eze 39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
Eze 39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
Eze 39:27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
Eze 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
Eze 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.
God will bring the whole house of Israel back to their land and leave none of the Hebrews left in the nations and they shall know the Lord their God from that time forward and He will never hide His face from them anymore which they will always be in the truth from that time forward.
Which the New Age Christ will establish peace in the Middle East and it will pave the way for all Hebrews to go back to Israel for the Gentile nations will cause it to happen.
When the Bible says Jacob it means all of Israel, 12 tribes, not only the elect Hebrews.
The Bible says Israel is blinded in part right now but all Israel shall be saved because when God brings them back to their land He will turn them to the truth so they will all become elect.
Eze 37:4 Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD.
Eze 37:5 Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live.
Eze 37:11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.
Eze 37:12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
Eze 37:15 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,
Eze 37:16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
Eze 37:17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.
Eze 37:18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?
God shall cause all the Hebrews to become elect when He brings them back to their land and turns them to the truth.
I look at Jacob as all 12 tribes regardless if they are in the truth or not and a remnant that they are few in number that includes all of the Hebrews whether in the truth or not for God will bring them to the truth so they will elect for all Israel shall be saved.
I enjoyed reading your entire post. Thank you. As for not speaking, this is in reference to my talking about or saying things that I really don't need to say. I always believe that the things I am saying are 100% accurate and proper, but the world is in a place where correction and informing aren't accepted. And, perhaps they never have been. So, to remain quite goes against who I have always been . . . and frankly, it was difficult to do today while at work, but at least I can hold my head high today knowing that I didn't engage in any fruitless conversation, or at least not much.
You issued some very nice compliments above. I appreciate that very much. Thank you kindly, sir.
This term has a double application:
1. All believing Jews who are within the Church until the Second Coming of Christ.
2. Believing Jews from all of the twelve tribes after the Second Coming of Christ.
Paul refers to both these groups in Romans 9 and 11.
WITHIN THE CHURCH
Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: (Rom 9:27). See the context.
AFTER THE SECOND COMING
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: (Rom 11:25,26)
"ALL ISRAEL" = BELIEVERS IN EVERY TRIBE OF ISRAEL (see Rev 7 as a microcosm).
Out of all Israelites and Jews, there is only a believing "remnant". So not every Jew will be saved.
how God recognizes and so how we identify israel has changed from flesh and blood physical , to the spirit of Christ Abraham’s seed spiritual
“Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God:
but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.”
Romans 9:6-8
in the Old Testament it is specifically flesh and blood that identifies israel , in the New Testament that is removed and it is the spirit and faith of Christ that makes one an Israelite and has nothing to do with flesh and blood
It’s something God has made plain for us for anyone to be saved we have to be born of Christ spiritually not of Abraham physically
“Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
… But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
Romans 10:1-4, 8-13 KJV
Israel’s only problem is rejecting Christ and the gospel it’s the same issue for gentiles. No one can ever be saved if they don’t repent and believe the gospel being of Israeli flesh and blood won’t ever save anyone nor being of gentile flesh and blood will condemn anyone
the only salvstion for anyone is to accept Christ Jesus and his promise of salvstion in the gospel