The Rapture

[Gabriel2020]

The spirit do sleep indeed, but the body turns back to dust. God's promise.

 

[Ahwatukee]

The spirit do sleep indeed, but the body turns back to dust. God's promise.

Hello Gabriel,

The references to someone sleeping, i.e. the death of the body, is always referring to the body and not the soul/spirit. We have plenty of examples of the conscious awareness of the spirit after death to show that the spirit is not unconscious after death. Both Philippians 1:22-23 and II Cor.5:6 state that when the righteous die, their spirit departs from the body and goes to be in the presence of the Lord awaiting the resurrection. We also have the event of the rich man and Lazarus demonstrating that two men had died and yet their spirits were conscious and aware in Sheol, Lazarus and Abraham being in that place of comfort and the rich man being in torment across from them - Luke 16:19-31

 

[Endoscopy]

I would say the tribulation like the sacrifice (the lamb of God slain from before the foundation of the world) happened in a spiritual realm. We do not wrestle againast flesh and blood as that seen.

The scriptures are not concerned with political kingdoms of this world.(political Rome against political Jerusalem). The earthly Jerusalem as a shadow has always represented the New Jerusalem as the bride of Christ, not seen.

The tribulation began when the veil was rent. It put a spark to the time of reformation.

The un-believing Jew that would not get under the authority of all things written in the law and the prophets (sola scriptura) lost its ability to have faith in respect to men seen. It scattered them that look for sign before they would believe.


The Jews that had not been born again still require a sign before they will believe. They still hope their flesh could profit for something even though Christ said His own flesh it does not. The period of time that the Jews were used as a parable had come to a end. No more sheep no more, temple or any of the ceremonial things of men seen to be used as a shadow for the time then present

The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure for "the time then present", in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the "time of reformation".But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;Hebrew 9

You have a very strange view of eschatology. Those who study this part of scripture totally disagree with you. Theologians over the centuries have created 4 seperate Biblical views of the end times. The reason for this is s Daniel and Revelation are written in symbolic language with Daniel saying the book is closed unto the end times. You need to take into consideration what these theologians say.

Here are a couple of sites discussing the 4 main eschatologyical views. Notice some have minor variations.


https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/mill.cfm


Eschatology, end times, & millennialism: Competing theories

 

[Endoscopy]

Hello Gabriel,

The references to someone sleeping, i.e. the death of the body, is always referring to the body and not the soul/spirit. We have plenty of examples of the conscious awareness of the spirit after death to show that the spirit is not unconscious after death. Both Philippians 1:22-23 and II Cor.5:6 state that when the righteous die, their spirit departs from the body and goes to be in the presence of the Lord awaiting the resurrection. We also have the event of the rich man and Lazarus demonstrating that two men had died and yet their spirits were conscious and aware in Sheol, Lazarus and Abraham being in that place of comfort and the rich man being in torment across from them - Luke 16:19-31

This is a confusing issue. There also is the scripture stating when Jesus returns the dead in Christ will rise first. To me it doesn't matter because either way all will rise and face judgment from Jesus.

 

[PlainWord]

Wrong again! When the destruction of the temple took place, Israel did not flee out into the wilderness where she was cared for. This event that Jesus is speaking about is directly related to the great tribulation period, as He mentions right in the scripture. This fleeing out into the wilderness mentioned in Matt.24:15-22, is synonymous with Rev.12:6, 14 when the woman (Israel) flees out into the wilderness to that place that will have been prepared for her by God and where she will cared for during that last 3 1/2 years until Christ returns to the earth to end the age. It is during the time of the great tribulation that the reference is made regarding "pregnant women and nursing mothers" and not to the destruction of the temple in 70 AD.

. LOL, AHW, you totally crack me up!! If you would only study history a little bit, it would clear so much up for you. You are correct in that Mt 24 ties to Rev 12. You are also correct in that Christ returns after this to end the age. What you miss is the following:

1) Revelation has two women, the "good woman" of Rev 12 and the "harlot" of Rev 13 and 17. The good woman that John sees which gave birth to Jesus and later flees the GT is "faithful Israel." She represents ALL THE SAVED Jews of Israel who accepted their Messiah. They were the 144K men of Rev 7 plus women who did not engage in man worship (Caesar). The good woman fled Jerusalem and went to Pella before the Great Tribulation.

Notice in Rev 7, they are sealed and removed prior to the trumpets.

The "bad woman" or harlot were the disbelieving, Messiah-rejecting Jews who engaged in man worship (Caesar) who Jesus called, "faithless and perverse." This woman remained in Jerusalem to endure the great tribulation of 70 AD. This was the worst tribulation any country in the history of the world ever endured or ever will endure in the future.

2) The "great tribulation" happened in 70 AD and it happened in and to Judea. Why do you think Christ told them SPECIFICALLY to flee Judea? Why do you think Luke's account tells everyone to flee and those not in the country, to stay out? Read Luke 19-21. It's all about the same thing!!

3) If you read the Greek, take the time to read Josephus too. You will see things line up perfectly with the Olivet.

4) Christ's return was His presence as fully glorified God. He does not come back as a man.

5) He does not reign ON EARTH. He reigns OVER the EARTH. The earth is His footstool. His return was seen as a very bright light just as Rev 18:1 proclaims and everyone saw it as the "earth was illuminated with His glory."

When everything foretold can be found in the 67-70 AD historical record, why can't you accept it?

 

[Endoscopy]

. LOL, AHW, you totally crack me up!! If you would only study history a little bit, it would clear so much up for you. You are correct in that Mt 24 ties to Rev 12. You are also correct in that Christ returns after this to end the age. What you miss is the following:

1) Revelation has two women, the "good woman" of Rev 12 and the "harlot" of Rev 13 and 17. The good woman that John sees which gave birth to Jesus and later flees the GT is "faithful Israel." She represents ALL THE SAVED Jews of Israel who accepted their Messiah. They were the 144K men of Rev 7 plus women who did not engage in man worship (Caesar). The good woman fled Jerusalem and went to Pella before the Great Tribulation.

Notice in Rev 7, they are sealed and removed prior to the trumpets.

The "bad woman" or harlot were the disbelieving, Messiah-rejecting Jews who engaged in man worship (Caesar) who Jesus called, "faithless and perverse." This woman remained in Jerusalem to endure the great tribulation of 70 AD. This was the worst tribulation any country in the history of the world ever endured or ever will endure in the future.

2) The "great tribulation" happened in 70 AD and it happened in and to Judea. Why do you think Christ told them SPECIFICALLY to flee Judea? Why do you think Luke's account tells everyone to flee and those not in the country, to stay out? Read Luke 19-21. It's all about the same thing!!

3) If you read the Greek, take the time to read Josephus too. You will see things line up perfectly with the Olivet.

4) Christ's return was His presence as fully glorified God. He does not come back as a man.

5) He does not reign ON EARTH. He reigns OVER the EARTH. The earth is His footstool. His return was seen as a very bright light just as Rev 18:1 proclaims and everyone saw it as the "earth was illuminated with His glory."

When everything foretold can be found in the 67-70 AD historical record, why can't you accept it?

You ignore that Revelation was the last book of the Bible to be written. This Dates when Revelation was written. Some try to discredit this but internal evidence backs this up. There is a self proving method to prove when and where a document is written This evidence relates to references to information about the environment around the author at the time and place it was written.

Early Church tradition dates the book to end of the emperor Domitian (reigned AD 81–96), and most modern scholars agree, although the author may have written a first version after Nero's Great Fire in Rome (AD 64) under Vespasian (AD 69–79) and updated it under Domitian. The beast with seven heads and the number 666 seem to allude directly to the emperor Nero (reigned AD 54–68), but this does not require that Revelation was written in the 60s, as there was a widespread belief in later decades that Nero would return.

 

[Endoscopy]

. LOL, AHW, you totally crack me up!! If you would only study history a little bit, it would clear so much up for you. You are correct in that Mt 24 ties to Rev 12. You are also correct in that Christ returns after this to end the age. What you miss is the following:

1) Revelation has two women, the "good woman" of Rev 12 and the "harlot" of Rev 13 and 17. The good woman that John sees which gave birth to Jesus and later flees the GT is "faithful Israel." She represents ALL THE SAVED Jews of Israel who accepted their Messiah. They were the 144K men of Rev 7 plus women who did not engage in man worship (Caesar). The good woman fled Jerusalem and went to Pella before the Great Tribulation.

Notice in Rev 7, they are sealed and removed prior to the trumpets.

The "bad woman" or harlot were the disbelieving, Messiah-rejecting Jews who engaged in man worship (Caesar) who Jesus called, "faithless and perverse." This woman remained in Jerusalem to endure the great tribulation of 70 AD. This was the worst tribulation any country in the history of the world ever endured or ever will endure in the future.

2) The "great tribulation" happened in 70 AD and it happened in and to Judea. Why do you think Christ told them SPECIFICALLY to flee Judea? Why do you think Luke's account tells everyone to flee and those not in the country, to stay out? Read Luke 19-21. It's all about the same thing!!

3) If you read the Greek, take the time to read Josephus too. You will see things line up perfectly with the Olivet.

4) Christ's return was His presence as fully glorified God. He does not come back as a man.

5) He does not reign ON EARTH. He reigns OVER the EARTH. The earth is His footstool. His return was seen as a very bright light just as Rev 18:1 proclaims and everyone saw it as the "earth was illuminated with His glory."

When everything foretold can be found in the 67-70 AD historical record, why can't you accept it?

Try again. Your view conflicts with the Bible!!

Isaiah 24 AMPC

21 And in that day the Lord will visit and punish the host of the high ones on high [the host of heaven in heaven, celestial beings] and the kings of the earth on the earth.

22 And they will be gathered together as prisoners are gathered in a pit or dungeon; they will be shut up in prison, and after many days they will be visited, inspected, and punished or pardoned.

23 Then the moon will be confounded and the sun ashamed, when [they compare their ineffectual fire to the light of] the Lord of hosts, Who will reign on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem, and before His elders will show forth His glory.

 

[Endoscopy]

. LOL, AHW, you totally crack me up!! If you would only study history a little bit, it would clear so much up for you. You are correct in that Mt 24 ties to Rev 12. You are also correct in that Christ returns after this to end the age. What you miss is the following:

1) Revelation has two women, the "good woman" of Rev 12 and the "harlot" of Rev 13 and 17. The good woman that John sees which gave birth to Jesus and later flees the GT is "faithful Israel." She represents ALL THE SAVED Jews of Israel who accepted their Messiah. They were the 144K men of Rev 7 plus women who did not engage in man worship (Caesar). The good woman fled Jerusalem and went to Pella before the Great Tribulation.

Notice in Rev 7, they are sealed and removed prior to the trumpets.

The "bad woman" or harlot were the disbelieving, Messiah-rejecting Jews who engaged in man worship (Caesar) who Jesus called, "faithless and perverse." This woman remained in Jerusalem to endure the great tribulation of 70 AD. This was the worst tribulation any country in the history of the world ever endured or ever will endure in the future.

2) The "great tribulation" happened in 70 AD and it happened in and to Judea. Why do you think Christ told them SPECIFICALLY to flee Judea? Why do you think Luke's account tells everyone to flee and those not in the country, to stay out? Read Luke 19-21. It's all about the same thing!!

3) If you read the Greek, take the time to read Josephus too. You will see things line up perfectly with the Olivet.

4) Christ's return was His presence as fully glorified God. He does not come back as a man.

5) He does not reign ON EARTH. He reigns OVER the EARTH. The earth is His footstool. His return was seen as a very bright light just as Rev 18:1 proclaims and everyone saw it as the "earth was illuminated with His glory."

When everything foretold can be found in the 67-70 AD historical record, why can't you accept it?

In addition there is the period of tribulation where if not halted all life on earth would be erased. The Romans didn't have that power. That implies a nuclear holocaust. You need to look outside your paradigm on eschatology and read ALL of the scripture relating to it.

 

[Roadkill]

Greetings Roadkill,

Why be restricted to the KJV or any version, when you can go directly to the Greek? In my studies I often look at any given verse side by side in comparison of all the major translations, as well as the Interlinear.

Regarding post #9141 where you said "Those who have the ability to perceive spiritually will know I'm speaking the truth." It's not a matter of spiritual perception, because what you are proclaiming is not written and therefore the proof of May must settle it, since we can't read it. Regarding your claims, we have already seen contention by what you are claiming vs God's written word. For example, you claim that the gathering of the church will take place over a 3 day period, yet scripture does not support this, for dead will rise first and then the living in Christ will be changed in an "atomos" which is an indivisible amount of time, i.e. an amount of time to short to divide, where we are caught up with the resurrected in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. No where does any scripture specify a 3 day event.

In addition, you claimed that during the tribulation that no children will be conceived, which is in direct contention with God's written word, as demonstrated by the following:

" How miserable those days will be for pregnant and nursing mothers! Pray that your flight will not occur in the winter or on the Sabbath. For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again."

Regarding the above, we don't have to wait for May as proof, because it is already in contention with the written word of God. Now, since you have already demonstrated that your claim is in error with God's word, what other claims are in error? If you have been found to be wrong in a couple of places already, it brings into question anything else that you may claim as receiving from an angel.

You, as I, agree that Mark chapter 13 is a 2 part prophecy by Jesus. One part has come to pass in 70AD. The other Siege of Jerusalem is yet to come. Where does the first part leave off and the second part take off? Not clear is it? Again, show me a KJV of Revelation showing children suffering the wrath of God? You can't and you know it because it's not in there.

Why not Greek? I don't read or speak Greek and this Angel speaks in OLD ENGLISH because it is our base language. If I spoke Greek or Hebrew he would speak in OLD Greek or Hebrew to me. Just their rules I guess but still can be confusing on my part at times.

Be careful how you translate the Bible. Jesus Transfigured in an instant and I believe the actual Transfiguring of the Rapture will be Instantaneous for each individual. But to say all The dead and Living Transfigure at once is adding to it don't you think?

Try Again friend, LOL!

 

[Roadkill]

Irrelevant! You are claiming that an angel of God is giving you this information and therefore, an angel is not going to contradict God's written word. In other words, an angel is not going to proclaim anything that is contrary to God's word, but instead should be reinforcing it.



The above is another deviation from God's written word, as demonstrated from the following scripture:

"Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed—in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed."

The event above is describing the same event that Paul revealed in I Thessalonians 4:13-17, where the dead in Christ rise first and then we who are still alive will be changed and caught up with them. Both are referring to the gathering of the church and has nothing to do with the second coming i.e. when Christ returns to the earth to end the age. As I pointed out before, there are a multitude of signs that proceed the Lord's return to the earth to end the age.



Are you out of your mind?! The gathering of the church (rapture) is most definitely mentioned in scripture. What do you think 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and 1 Corinthians 15:51-53 is speaking about? The word used is "Harpazo" which means to be "caught up, snatched up, for suddenly exercised." Where at which time the dead in Christ will be resurrected, followed by those in Christ who are still alive being changed and caught up with them to meet the Lord in the air. So, I don't know how you can say that the "gathering of the church is never explicitly mentioned in the New Testament, when it right there in plain sight."



We "knuckle heads" don't just believe what someone says because they claim that an angel visited them, especially when it contradicts what God has already written as well as the contradictions of God's written word by other claims previously mentioned . We are trying the spirits.

The gathering of the church (Rapture) = Takes place in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye

The Second Coming = Identified by a multitude of signs and every eye will see the Lord arriving on the clouds

The Bible hints at the Rapture without naming it. The Bible gives very little on details. That is what I meant.
The Rapture and the Second Coming of Jesus, once again, are 2 Separate Events.

 

[Roadkill]

Neither does it say that there is a span of time between the dead rising and the living being changed and caught up! I'm gonna go with the fact that time period of when the living are changed which is described as an "atomos", which is defined as too short of a time period to divide, as also referring to the entire process from the time that the dead are raised and the time that the living in Christ are changed and caught up. In other words, the entire event from the dead being raise and the living being changed and caught up, will take place in an "atomos," i.e. a Nano second and not this boloney about the process taking place over a 3 day period by age groups.

Furthermore, no one is going to have the opportunity to believe in Christ because they see the first group caught up, that would undermine the fact that believers are supposed to be watching and anticipating the Lord's return. Your view cancels out the need for faith, because unbelievers would simply be able to see the first group hovering above the earth.

This is how the gathering is going to take place: When the Father gives word to the Lord that it is time, the Lord will descend to the atmosphere and that voice that sounds like a trumpet will say, "come up here" which only true believers in Christ will hear. At that point those who will have died from the on-set of the church until the event of the resurrection (regardless of age), will rise body from their graves, changed immortal and glorified. Immediately after that, the living will be changed into their immortal and glorified bodies (regardless of age) and will all be caught up in the clouds with the resurrected to meet the Lord in the air. At that point the entire church will be present from beginning to end, where at which time the Lord will take the whole group back to the Father's house to those places that He went to prepare for us in fulfillment of John 14:1-3. All this will take place in a Nano second.

The word "then" here is very key to this verse.

In example: I went to the store and then I went to my mom's house.

Does this not imply a period of time between the 2 events? Yes.
Does this tell me the period of time between the 2 events? No.

It's so simple a child can understand this.

 

[Roadkill]

Revelation is not only about Israel, but includes all the inhabitants on the earth, as God will be pouring out His wrath upon the entire earth via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, as well as fulfilling that last seven years from the decree of seventy sevens upon Israel and Jerusalem. The seals, trumpets and bowl judgments which make up the wrath of God, will be how the Rock/Jesus of Daniel 2:31-46 smashes the feet of the statue to pieces like chaff on a threshing floor where the wind will blow it away without leaving a trace i.e. the dismantling of all Gentile governments. The Rock/Jesus becoming a huge mountain and filling the whole earth, is referring to the Lord's millennial kingdom.

The gathering of the church is indeed mentioned in Revelation 4:1 which is a prophetic allusion to the gathering of the church, when that voice that sounds like a trumpet, which is synonymous with the "trumpet call of God" found in 1 Thes.4:16, says "Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this," i.e. after the "what is now" or after the church period. This is exactly why we don't see the word "Ekklesia" translated as "church" anymore after the end of chapter 3.

Revelation is from the Perspective of Israel as a Nation in that point of time and events.

 

[Ahwatukee]

You, as I, agree that Mark chapter 13 is a 2 part prophecy by Jesus. One part has come to pass in 70AD. The other Siege of Jerusalem is yet to come.

"How miserable those days will be for pregnant and nursing mothers! Pray that your flight will not occur in the winter or on the Sabbath. For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again."

The scripture above reveals that the time of pregnant and nursing mothers is directly related to the great tribulation period and the setting up of the abomination. You can't get away with a two part apologetic.

Again, show me a KJV of Revelation showing children suffering the wrath of God? You can't and you know it because it's not in there.

My original contention was not about children suffering during the wrath of God. The fact is that, there is simply no scriptural information one way or another. The only information that we do have is what I've listed above, which demonstrates without a doubt that when that abomination is set up in the middle of the seven and Israel flees, there will be pregnant women and nursing mothers. You're just avoiding the obvious.

Be careful how you translate the Bible. Jesus Transfigured in an instant and I believe the actual Transfiguring of the Rapture will be Instantaneous for each individual. But to say all The dead and Living Transfigure at once is adding to it don't you think?

I'm in the Greek every day, looking up the words, Their parsing keys, etc. So I am rightly translating the scriptures.

Jesus Transfigured in an instant and I believe the actual Transfiguring of the Rapture will be Instantaneous for each individual. But to say all The dead and Living Transfigure at once is adding to it don't you think?

You are misquoting me, as I did not say that the dead and the living transfigure at once. What I did say was that the word used to describe the living being changed is the Greek "atomos" which is defined as a: not and tomos: to cut, properly, "not to cut, i.e. too short of a time to divide. It is by the use of this word that I am proclaiming is that the time between the dead being resurrected and the living being changed and caught up, will take be in close proximity, almost as one event. And speaking of adding, that is exactly what you have done in stating that the resurrection of the dead and the changing of the living is going to take place over a period of three days, when there is zero scripture to support that.


I don't need to try again, as I have scripturally proved my point.

 

[Ahwatukee]

The word "then" here is very key to this verse.

In example: I went to the store and then I went to my mom's house.

Does this not imply a period of time between the 2 events? Yes.
Does this tell me the period of time between the 2 events? No.

It's so simple a child can understand this.

Yeah, the period of time is "atomos" which as I said, is properly "a period of time to short to divide.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Revelation is from the Perspective of Israel as a Nation in that point of time and events.

No, it is not. The majority of the book of Revelation is exactly what it says right in the first verse:

"This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John, who testifies to everything he saw."

The things that must soon take place, are the events of God's wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments and their related information, which the majority of the book of Revelation is given to and which affects the entire world. God is surely going to be dealing with Israel in fulfillment of that last seven years of the seventy sevens that was decreed upon them. But at the same time, God is going to be pouring out his wrath upon a Christ rejecting world.

 

[Ahwatukee]

The Bible hints at the Rapture without naming it. The Bible gives very little on details. That is what I meant. The Rapture and the Second Coming of Jesus, once again, are 2 Separate Events.

Hints at it? I'd say that it is very direct, since Paul gave a detailed account of it in 1 Thes.4:13-18. And in 1 Cor.15:51-53, which is the same event, he referred to it as a mystery, i.e. hidden, previously unknown.

I agree that the gathering of the church and the Lord's return to the earth as being two separate events, as I have always maintained this fact. At the rapture, the church is being removed from the earth. At the second coming, the glorified church is returning with the Lord to the earth.

 

[tanakh]

You have a very strange view of eschatology. Those who study this part of scripture totally disagree with you. Theologians over the centuries have created 4 seperate Biblical views of the end times. The reason for this is s Daniel and Revelation are written in symbolic language with Daniel saying the book is closed unto the end times. You need to take into consideration what these theologians say.

Here are a couple of sites discussing the 4 main eschatologyical views. Notice some have minor variations.


https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/mill.cfm


Eschatology, end times, & millennialism: Competing theories

The fact that there are four competing views of eschatology alone shows that there is something wrong. Both Daniel and Revelation are full of OT symbols and types. So are the rest of the Prophets to a greater or lesser extent. Revelation is actually modeled on Ezekiel There are a number of references that match each other like a mirror's reflection. One single thing all the books have in common is that the central target of their prophecies is Israel and their disobedience of God and his covenant. The Prophets were Gods prosecutors and their messages contained warnings that went unheeded and still do today.

The end times spoken of in Daniel started with the ministry of Jesus and it was he who unsealed the scroll in Revelation. The scroll is also featured in Ezekiel and the description is almost identical. Revelation is centered on the judgement of apostate Israel and Jerusalem in particular which is called Spiritual Egypt and Sodom. Also compare the many OT passages calling Jerusalem a Harlot and compare them to the Babylon passages in Revelation.

 

[Roadkill]

Hints at it? I'd say that it is very direct, since Paul gave a detailed account of it in 1 Thes.4:13-18. And in 1 Cor.15:51-53, which is the same event, he referred to it as a mystery, i.e. hidden, previously unknown.

I agree that the gathering of the church and the Lord's return to the earth as being two separate events, as I have always maintained this fact. At the rapture, the church is being removed from the earth. At the second coming, the glorified church is returning with the Lord to the earth.

All good and well. We are in agreement on this. Hints at that it does not give specific Information on the Rapture. I was raised Southern Baptist and was taught this as well. I was also taught that the Rapture would happen in a Twinkling of an Eye. This also has thrown back all I was taught but when I dig deeper I see no contradiction.

Why do you contradict yourself. #9175 you say it is not. Then you go to prove my point in the rest of your reply. It is from the Perspective of the last 7 years of Israel as a nation the events that happen on this Earth.

 

[Roadkill]

Yeah, the period of time is "atomos" which as I said, is properly "a period of time to short to divide.

This is your interpretation and assumption as it was mine at one time.
You still haven't replied to my question as to why God would subject the innocent to his wrath at the last 3 and a half years?

 

[Nehemiah6]

You still haven't replied to my question as to why God would subject the innocent to his wrath at the last 3 and a half years?

Why do you assume those as "innocent"? Do you also understand that those who reject the Gospel and reject the Lord Jesus Christ are already subject to wrath?