The Rapture

[heartofdavid]

It's not mentioned. What "the time of Jacob's trouble" is, is just another designation for the great tribulation period. It's just referred by that way in Jer.30:7.

It is noteworthy that God has always chastised them. It is because he wants and seeks their repentance. The GT is almost exclusively directed at the Jews. But the goal is tofill the empty seats at the wedding supper in heaven.
Note that in the parable of the wedding,ALL BIDDEN, refused.

 

[Ahwatukee]

But I must disagree.
Pretrib has no Biblical standing. Double zero.

It has the best standing!

The Lord has told us that he went to prepare places for us and that he was coming back again to take us back with him to the Father's house (John 14:1-3)

He has also said that he would keep us out of the hour of trial that is coming upon the whole world. - Rev.3:20

It is also written that believers are not appointed to suffer God's wrath and that because God's wrath has already been poured out on Christ on our behalf. And through faith in Christ we have been credited with righteousness and have been reconciled to God.

Your on-going problem is not understanding the wrath nor the time in which it takes place in relation to the gathering of the church.

You continue to discredit the truth, yet just like above, you don't provide any scripture to back up what you are claiming.


The Lord is not going to build his church, his bride and then send her through his wrath. And if you don't think that the seals are apart of God's wrath, I would remind you that Jesus is the One opening the seals with the results being approx. 1.7 billion fatalities within the first 31/2 years and by opening the seals, Jesus is the one causing it. And that because the great day of their wrath has come. I would remind you again that the words "has come" is in the aorist tense which would be referring to God's wrath in its entirety, meaning what will have taking place prior to the announcement at the 6th seal and what is yet to follow meaning the trumpets and the bowl judgments.

 

[Ellsworth1943]

He is a super nice guy. I think maybe some smiles would have been warranted.

An observation----He is a super nice guy to all who agree with him and his self proclaim superior knowledge and understanding.
He comes off as very self centered and arrogant. He ain't nearly as smart as he thinks he is.
Well, time to move on to people who are much more important.

 

[Ahwatukee]

The last statement in your post tells it all about you and your self exalted importance.
You are not God's gift to mankind. You are not the all knowing one. Your attitude toward those who disagreed with you makes me sick.
Well enough with the personal attack even if it was warranted.

You confuse "self exalted" with contending for the truth of God's word. You should not be teaching these things because what you are teaching is not the truth. I am not God's gift to mankind, but just one who contends for the truth, correcting, contending and rebuking, just as scripture states.

You should not be teaching what you don't know.

 

[Ahwatukee]

An observation----He is a super nice guy to all who agree with him and his self proclaim superior knowledge and understanding.
He comes off as very self centered and arrogant. He ain't nearly as smart as he thinks he is.
Well, time to move on to people who are much more important.

Well, I'm certainly not going to agree with those who are not teaching the truth. I will continue to contend for the truth when I see it being distorted.

 

[Snoozy]

Ahwatukee hi uce. do u know greek language? i hear some bible teachers claim that the falling away could be the rapture do u believe this? 2 thessalonians 2:3

i dont know any greek so i cant say if they are right.

 

[Ellsworth1943]

You confuse "self exalted" with contending for the truth of God's word. You should not be teaching these things because what you are teaching is not the truth. I am not God's gift to mankind, but just one who contends for the truth, correcting, contending and rebuking, just as scripture states.

You should not be teaching what you don't know.

Arrogance.
You are not worth wasting my time on.
But I will continue to teach the truth to counter and correct your false teaching.

 

[Snoozy]

Arrogance.
You are not worth wasting my time on.
But I will continue to teach the truth to counter and correct your false teaching.

atleast ur not being arrogant at all????? dont be messing with big uce like that. Ahwatukee is friendly

 

[Ellsworth1943]

atleast ur not being arrogant at all????? dont be messing with big uce like that. Ahwatukee is friendly

This guy come on here and belittles everyone who questions his teachings in any form or fashion.
Big in your eyes and his, but not mine.

 

[Jackson123]

It's not mentioned. What "the time of Jacob's trouble" is, is just another designation for the great tribulation period. It's just referred by that way in Jer.30:7.

[h=1]Jeremiah 30King James Version (KJV)[/h]30 The word that came to Jeremiah from the Lord, saying,
2 Thus speaketh the Lord God of Israel, saying, Write thee all the words that I have spoken unto thee in a book.
3 For, lo, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the Lord: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.
4 And these are the words that the Lord spake concerning Israel and concerning Judah.
5 For thus saith the Lord; We have heard a voice of trembling, of fear, and not of peace.
6 Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness?
7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it.
8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:

jer is for israel, matt is for Christian.

jer talking about how Israel will back it happen in 1948. But a lot of problem and her hear a voice of trembling and fear.
i believe it happen before independent 1948 in holocaust where 6 million Jews being sloughter.
If we read from verse 1, talking about process how Israel will be back to their land, and history tell, if not holocaust rich Jews from Europe not interested back to their land.

 

[Allenbee]

So no agreement just ridiculing each other !!!
Here is THE new end time belief for peace.


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With this new growing belief, pre or mid trib or post trib rapture...doesn't matter !!!
So why don't you all gang up on me and prove this wrong, as there are great Bible students here.
Previously posted with ZIP reaction !!!!

I believe in the exodus from Babylon.

Only the rich pay no attention to the FACT that 99% of the world is enslaved by them.
We want to be free, just as it was at the exodus from slavery in Egypt

We want to serve YHWH and do HIS WILL on earth.
So we flee satans BABYLON and rather PRAY and DO the Lord's prayer.
OK... pray it and see who must do it. WHO must do GOD'S WILL on earth ?

This time... the whole earth is the promised land, but ISRAEL is still the holy land.
We have ONE leader only...our Lord Jesus, who rules the whole earth from the holy land.

If our Lord is to rule the whole earth...then surely the whole earth is the promised land.

NOW understand this beauty, and our job;

"Before us a garden of Eden...behind us a desolate waste".

Desolate waste !!! Satans BABYLON destroyed.

That... is the wrath of GOD. "Get OUT of her my people".
"And the cities of the NATIONS fell".

So EXODUS... to welcome our Lord home...OR...remain "eating and drinking and marrying" in Satans world, as in the days of Noah, as in the days of Lot.
Awaiting... a pretribulation rapture to heaven !!!

To conclude;
In what way could our Lord possibly disapprove of a people who separate from satan's evil that HE, has come to destroy, and to reestablish HIS EDEN. ??? Please just answer that !

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If you are looking for end time confirmation, how is this;

Nearly half a million Jews have accepted our Messiah AND escalating rapidly. (Estimates vary from 300,000 upward but already over 144,000 even though I believe the 12,000 from Judah are mostly gentile believers... in the lion from the tribe of JUDAH. Not too serious, as the whole 144,000 are believers in our Messiah anyway, as we return to our Jewish roots.

Malachi 4;
1For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
2But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. (protected in the wilderness)
3And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.
4Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, withthe statutes and judgments. (So Messianic Jews teach and lead us).
5Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: (The voice in the wilderness... in the spirit of Elijah).
6And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with total destruction.

This acceptance of Jesus by Jews has HUGE resistance from hardened Jew's, but even growing in Israel itself.

So far i'm thrilled to find this one:

ONE FOR ISRAEL Ministries.

 

[Ellsworth1943]

I am angry. Angry at myself because I have allowed myself to be pulled down into this sea of opinions and speculations on end time events.
When it comes to unfulfilled prophecy, it is my opinion that no one can know for sure just how or when these events will come to pass.
When It comes to the gathering of the saints, the seals, trumps, and God's wrath, there are many views given.
I have my belief. These beliefs are based on my study of all Scripture related to those events. I usually only give them when I am asked and I freely admit I might be wrong. I know I am in a minority.
Some are so sure they are right that they go so far as to instruct those who disagree to not teach what they do not understand.
In my opinion it is pure foolishness to believe that we are 100% right in our understanding of end time events.

I will leave it there and move on.

 

[Allenbee]

In my opinion it is pure foolishness to believe that we are 100% right in our understanding of end time events.

Exactly...that is why instead of arguing we should put forward what our belief is, from personal study. This way we can learn from each other BECAUSE "The word's are made secret and sealed up UNTIL the time of the end".

BUT... our study should be about our Lord's return and NOT about selfish salvation.
Salvation is by the grace of God. NO ONE can claim it.​

 

[Laish]

You have given out too much Reputation in the last 24 hours, try again later.

Got your back brother!
Blessings
Bill

 

[Laish]

You have given out too much Reputation in the last 24 hours, try again later.

Have it here too !
Blessings
Bill

 

[Bladerunner]

When does God's judgement come according to Scripture?
Rev. 11:15-19 Verse 18---"thy wrath has come"
Rev. 15 & 16 give a detailed account of what God's wrath is and how and when and upon who it will be poured out.
All the event preceding the sounding of the seventh, i.e. last trump is the great tribulation that Jesus said would come.
As is promised, the saints will escape God's wrath, but as also stated must endure tribulation as has never before seen.
Now to say that Rev. 6:17 is the announcement of God's wrath is to believe the misguided statement of ungodly men who have just suffered the greatest earthquake the earth has ever had and are blaming God.
I choose to ignore what these ungodly men say and accept the announcement from Heaven the His wrath has come.

That's how I understand what the Scripture teaches.

Which of God's wrath are you speaking of??????there are about 5-6 distinctive types of God's wrath including the wrath that starts in Revelation 6:4, There is some argument that it starts in 6:2 with the Anti-christ given to conquer but The rider is given a bow and NO arrows. Other passages tell us that He conquers through peace. Thus, 6:4 begins with God's wrath.

I am sorry you do not see this, you are not alone. You see, you are in a majority of Churches and people including the RCC that read it the same way. I and Ahwatukee are among the minority that teach the Bible should be read literally, historically and Grammatically. To Symbolize, Allegorize or otherwise twist, ignore, add to or leave out the WORD of God is not Good... But because I am in the Minority, WHAT do I know?

Hope you have a Blessed week.

Blade

 

[Nehemiah6]

In what way could our Lord possibly disapprove of a people who separate from satan's evil that HE, has come to destroy, and to reestablish HIS EDEN. ??? Please just answer that !

Short answer: His Eden has already been established in the New Jerusalem in Heaven! It is called Paradise and the Tree of Life is also there.

And Babylon as well as Mystery Babylon will be utterly destroyed. On the other hand the New Jerusalem is the eternal home of the saints. Therefore NO EXODUS. Just TRANSLATION (as Enoch was translated).

 

[Ellsworth1943]

Which of God's wrath are you speaking of??????there are about 5-6 distinctive types of God's wrath including the wrath that starts in Revelation 6:4, There is some argument that it starts in 6:2 with the Anti-christ given to conquer but The rider is given a bow and NO arrows. Other passages tell us that He conquers through peace. Thus, 6:4 begins with God's wrath.

I am sorry you do not see this, you are not alone. You see, you are in a majority of Churches and people including the RCC that read it the same way. I and Ahwatukee are among the minority that teach the Bible should be read literally, historically and Grammatically. To Symbolize, Allegorize or otherwise twist, ignore, add to or leave out the WORD of God is not Good... But because I am in the Minority, WHAT do I know?

Hope you have a Blessed week.

Blade

A wrong assumption. I also read the Bible literally, historically, and grammatically. But, my understanding is different from yours.
As for as who in in the minority, I belief I am. What Ahw teaches, It is as if he is reading from a script that I have heard for 50 years. Word for word.
I am willing to listen, consider, and admit I may be wrong. He is not and then demands that I stop teaching what I do not understand.

 

[Danny2186]

I hold to the pre wrath rapture. 3 and 1/2 years of tribulation. Sun and moon darkened. Rapture. The next 3 and 1/2 years is God’s wrath AKA the day of the lord.

 

[Danny2186]

Revelation 6 is the beginning of the tribulation. God’s wrath doesn’t begin until rev 6:16-17. (Make sure you’re reading a KJV)