The Rapture
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In Zechariah 11 I understand it to mean this:
When Christ came all Israel was unified. The Northern Tribes who had been expelled from Israel in 731BC were reunited with Judah, as per the two sticks of Judah and Ephraim. This reunited the Kingship, Judah/David, with the birthright, Ephraim. (Zech 9:12 12 Turn you to the strong hold, ye prisoners of hope: even to day do I declare that I will render double unto thee
The prisoners of hope were the Northern Tribes, who God in Hosea had promised one day to remarry. The double blessing is the birthright - see Genesis 49
When Christ came all Israel was unified. The Northern Tribes who had been expelled from Israel in 731BC were reunited with Judah, as per the two sticks of Judah and Ephraim. This reunited the Kingship, Judah/David, with the birthright, Ephraim. (Zech 9:12 12 Turn you to the strong hold, ye prisoners of hope: even to day do I declare that I will render double unto thee
The prisoners of hope were the Northern Tribes, who God in Hosea had promised one day to remarry. The double blessing is the birthright - see Genesis 49
The Old Covenant was an ugly covenant for ugly people, the New Covenant is a beautiful covenant for beautiful people.
Isaiah 52
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How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth!
Isaiah 52
7
How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth!
In Zechariah 11 I understand it to mean this:
When Christ came all Israel was unified. The Northern Tribes who had been expelled from Israel in 731BC were reunited with Judah, as per the two sticks of Judah and Ephraim. This reunited the Kingship, Judah/David, with the birthright, Ephraim. (Zech 9:12 12 Turn you to the strong hold, ye prisoners of hope: even to day do I declare that I will render double unto thee
The prisoners of hope were the Northern Tribes, who God in Hosea had promised one day to remarry. The double blessing is the birthright - see Genesis 49
So Zechariah 11 wasn't the end of the old covenant for Israel or Judah?
Judah and Jerusalem were being punished for the sins of the fathers. Daniel 9:16
16 O Lord, according to all thy righteousness, I beseech thee, let thine anger and thy fury be turned away from thy city Jerusalem, thy holy mountain: because for our sins, and for the iniquities of our fathers, Jerusalem and thy people are become a reproach to all that are about us.
Matthew 23
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Under the New Covenant, the sons are not punished for the sins of the father, so it stands to reason that the New Covenant only truly came into existence after the punishment of Judah, AD67-73.
27 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast.
28 And it shall come to pass, that like as I have watched over them, to pluck up, and to break down, and to throw down, and to destroy, and to afflict; so will I watch over them, to build, and to plant, saith the Lord.
29 In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge.
30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.
16 O Lord, according to all thy righteousness, I beseech thee, let thine anger and thy fury be turned away from thy city Jerusalem, thy holy mountain: because for our sins, and for the iniquities of our fathers, Jerusalem and thy people are become a reproach to all that are about us.
Matthew 23
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Under the New Covenant, the sons are not punished for the sins of the father, so it stands to reason that the New Covenant only truly came into existence after the punishment of Judah, AD67-73.
27 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast.
28 And it shall come to pass, that like as I have watched over them, to pluck up, and to break down, and to throw down, and to destroy, and to afflict; so will I watch over them, to build, and to plant, saith the Lord.
29 In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge.
30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.
But what Zechariah 11 is saying is that the New Covenant was for all Israel.
Those who rejected it, the Beauty, were broken off.
So the apostate Jews were broken off from the reunited Whole House of Israel, aka the Church, and from the New Covenant, and cast in the fire
Those who rejected it, the Beauty, were broken off.
So the apostate Jews were broken off from the reunited Whole House of Israel, aka the Church, and from the New Covenant, and cast in the fire
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Ruth,in the book of Ruth,she is the gentile bride.
She married boaz(Jesus)
She has a Jewish mother in law Naomi from a previous marriage (brought into the Jewish family,but a gentile from Moab)
Vivid typology here.
I haven't met a futurist yet with an ounce of spiritual insight. You all keep thinking, body, body, body. God is the God of the living, not the dead. Until you figure out that it is the soul that is clothed with the body (first the physical, then the spiritual), you will continue in your error. The physical decayed, dead, returned-to-dust, flesh and blood body doesn't put on the new body. The soul puts on the new body.
Christ had the only physical body that did not face corruption. He was the lone exception.
Gnostics tend to think, spirit spirit spirit, so that argument is a deadend street.
For those who vainly try to use typology as meaningful. You can prove anything from typology.
if u who are reading this are thinking about whats da right view. ask yourself this question: whos got all da answers? whos got countless verses they cant explain? people who believed israel would return to the land in 1800 were considered nuts but look now here is israel back in the land. u will never go wrong by just believing the bible, even if it seems unbelievable.
Absolute unmitigated tosh. I have been vehemently historicist for innumerable posts, as it is my long time conviction, so to call me a futurist which doctrine I loathe Utterly is a strange thing. Either you pay zero attention which would be worrying, or you are being perverse.
regards your new funky doctrine. Thomas pressed Jesus's wounds. Simples.
regards your new funky doctrine. Thomas pressed Jesus's wounds. Simples.
Do you think the verses below are future?
Isaiah 27:10-11 KJV
[10] Yet the defenced city shall be desolate, and the habitation forsaken, and left like a wilderness: there shall the calf feed, and there shall he lie down, and consume the branches thereof.
[11] When the boughs thereof are withered, they shall be broken off: the women come, and set them on fire: for it is a people of no understanding: therefore he that made them will not have mercy on them, and he that formed them will shew them no favour.