Sounds good. Are you premillennial/amillennial/post?
And: Will someone please answer my Matthew 21:19 question I have been asking for days and none have stepped up to the plate. How does this verse go with the dispensational teachings?
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Sounds good. Are you premillennial/amillennial/post?
And: Will someone please answer my Matthew 21:19 question I have been asking for days and none have stepped up to the plate. How does this verse go with the dispensational teachings?
Lets do it this way....Compare what you are shown to the Word. If its right, it will agree. I'll do the same. And lets pray about that while we're at it.
This scripture is where Jesus was demonstrating faith to whomever believe in the power of God. that just by trusting him, he will perform on your behalf. Some people portrait fear which brings doubt,therefore accomplishing nothing.. Simple faith in God is like you as a child knowing that your parents are going to take care of you.,and a child have no doubts in their heart.
Another pickle for the dispensationalists: If God destroys all the unbelievers at the Second Coming (2 thes 1:8-9), and all the saved people are raptured before the tribulation; Then the only people you have left to populate the millennium is the people saved during the tribulation correct?
Well there is your problem because according to
1 Corinthians 15:23 "But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming."
Those guys will also be resurrected at Christ's coming. This is true even according to the literal interpretation of Revelation 20. So either way, the millennium will not have anyone to repopulate it.
I am not even gonna add to it the problem of "flesh and blood shall not inherit the kingdom of God" because I know the dispensationalists have a difference between Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Heaven.
Well there is your problem because according to
1 Corinthians 15:23 "But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming."
Those guys will also be resurrected at Christ's coming. This is true even according to the literal interpretation of Revelation 20. So either way, the millennium will not have anyone to repopulate it.
I am not even gonna add to it the problem of "flesh and blood shall not inherit the kingdom of God" because I know the dispensationalists have a difference between Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Heaven.
What makes you think all of the Christians would be raptures at the beginning? See, I believe only the ready ones will be raptured. The Bride.
Honestly, I'm not into big names and titles and such. Every time you try to paint someone into a certain corner, they go and do something totally opposite that
I believe that we see the judgments in the seals and trumpets, are then taken up to be with Christ and 'attend' the marriage feast, while that goes on the world suffers the wrath in the bowls, then we all return to this world to rule over it with Christ for an actual 1,000 years. I believe that while 70 ad did fulfill prophecy, that all prophecy echoes thru time due to God's eternal nature, and that those prophecies will be fulfilled to a much greater extent preceding the return of Christ. It's about judgment. The Jews were offered a Messiah and 70 ad was judgment upon them for rejecting Him. The Messiah, now Christ, was then offered to the world. And future events will be judgment upon the world for rejecting Him. Like I said, it's an echo. Only this echo gets louder with time.
I'm sorry, but can you repeat the Matthew 21 question?
Wouldn't matter since the rest that got saved during this tribulation would be resurrected at the Second Coming as it says in 1 Cor 15:23. So still you got the wicked who are destroyed, the righteous who get resurrected. Ay caramba!
Hello Bogadile,
The answer to this and which I have attempted to point out to KJV1611 is that, the words "fig tree" does not always refer to Israel in scripture. Most of the time it is just referring to a literal "fig tree" and nothing more. The context should bear out whether those words are being used symbolically to refer to Israel and should not just be assumed as such. Below is an example:
"Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its branches become tender and sprout leaves, you know that summer is near." - Matt.24:32
"Then Jesus told them a parable: “Look at the fig tree and all the trees. When they sprout leaves, you can see for yourselves and know that summer is near. - Luke 21:29
Many people look at the Matt.24 version and interpret the fig tree as referring to Israel. Luke's version says "the fig tree and all the trees" which would demonstrate that the scripture has nothing to do with representing Israel, but is just a comparison. The addition of "and all the trees" would discount the fig tree as being symbolic for Israel. Below is what the scripture is saying:
When you see the trees blossoming = Summer is near
Likewise, when you see these signs begin to take place = the end of the age is near
Hello Bogadile,
Jesus said, "I will build my church and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it." Consequently, the church is still in the process of being built. Once the church has been completed, the Lord will descend and the dead in Christ will rise followed immediately by the living in Christ being changed and caught up with them. After that event takes place the time period of God's wrath will begin.
There will be those who come to Christ during that time who are referred to as the great tribulation saints, who are introduced in Rev.7:9-17. Many of these will be martyred. Those who survive through the entire period of God's wrath will be those who will repopulate the earth, along with the woman/Israel who will have been cared for out in the desert during that last 3 1/2 years where at which time the Lord will return to end the age.
Those great tribulation saints who will have died during that time period, will be resurrected as demonstrated in Rev.20:4-6. All of those who are in their immortal and glorified bodies, which will consist of the church, the 144,000 and the great tribulation saints, will rule with Christ during His thousand year reign.
In conclusion, those who will repopulate the earth will be the survivors of the great tribulation saints and the woman/Israel, who will still be in their mortal bodies when Christ returns to end the age. This is who is being gathered in the parable of the weeds and wheat of Matt.13 and those whom the angels will be gathering in Matt.24:31.
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But those who would have survived this tribulation would be resurrected as the Scriptures teach in 1 Cor 15:23
Last time I heard Second Coming happens after the tribulation, if that is still the case then all of those who survive and are Christians will be resurrected according to 1 Cor 15:23 so yet again, empty millennium.
But let me guess, the "coming" in 1 Cor 15:23 is not The Second Coming but a secret one? it is the rapture is it not?
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Yeah, the reason for this is because people just repeat what they hear or read, without looking into these things themselves. They do the same with a number of Biblical topics. Another example would be the mention of the army of 200 million at the 6th trumpet that along with those four angels kills a third of mankind. Someone wrote a book or made the claim that the 200 million are representing the kings of the east and everyone just accepted that teaching. Regarding this, the fact of the matter is that there is nothing whatsoever in the context of either scriptures that identify the 200 million as representing the kings of the east. It is just assumed!
I believe that these multitudes of false teachings is just the fulfillment of the following scripture:
"For the time will come when men will not tolerate sound doctrine, but with itching ears they will gather around themselves teachers to suit their own desires. So they will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths."
To put it into perspective for today, those teachers would be YouTube, google, seminars, false teachers, books written by men and hearsay.
While I believe there is a portion of the Jews who will be saved in the end, I don't think all of them will. Just some of them.
And like Ahwatuki said, sometimes a fig tree is just a fig tree. In the Matthew case, it was more a lesson on the power of faith than a treatise on Israel. Altho there is a correlation in Israel withering due to lack of faith. And, even tho this one tree withered, the rest were unharmed (I assume by the fact that we still have fig trees
).
That's not what the bible says. They cannot have blood sacrifice without the temple...The man of sin signs a covenant with the Jews that allows them to build the temple, have blood sacrifice for three and a half years when he will break that covenant and set himself up as king. Daniel
2 Thess Check it
Well, you might want to tell Israel that, because they have the blueprints for the temple ready to go. They also have all the furniture and articles ready for the temple. They reconvened the Sanhedrin several years ago, they have all of the priest garments prepared. And have been teaching them how to perform sacrifices according to the Mosaic law. You might want to go out to "The Temple Institute" website located in Jerusalem and see for yourself.
As soon as that antichrist makes his seven year agreement with them, it will then allow them to build their temple. Here is the link to that site, if you dare to look into it.
https://www.templeinstitute.org/
Dispies i may have missed this, but is Israel the fig tree or no?
Matthew: 21. 19. And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away. - Bible Offline
Matthew: 21. 19. And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away. - Bible Offline
What in that context would lead the reader to interpret the fig tree as representing Israel? Just because it was used in some other place in scripture? Just because the fig tree was used to represent Israel in one place, does not mean that every time you see the words fig tree that it is referring to Israel.
Matthew: 21. 19. And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.
20. And when the disciples saw it, they marvelled, saying, How soon is the fig tree withered away! - Bible Offline
The question the disciples asked AFTER they saw the literal fig tree withered. They asked how soon is the fig tree withered?
If they're looking at the literal withered fig tree, what is the fig tree they're asking about?